First Buzz: 2025 Topps Chrome baseball cards

[PuddleMonkey]

For my own amusement I'd like one of you tech bros to edit this gif so the one on the left reads Fanatics and the one on the right reads premium1981

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Redemption or live ? Also what sku?

Thanks

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[premium1981]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Three counterarguments:

- many of those people entering the hobby are not collectors....they're flippers trying to make a quick buck. And they'll leave the hobby just as fast as they entered once their easy profits disappear.

- nothing goes up forever.....while there almost certain are some new collectors entering the hobby at any given time, it's not a given that that will continue indefinitely into the future.

- lastly, irrespective of whether someone is a flipper or a collector, they do not have an endless amount of capital to sink into the hobby. If we have a recession, the hobby will NOT be immune.

Point 1 - I agree. Many flippers here only to make money. But that is true of any bull market in any sector. We also have a lot of new collectors. The flippers aren't the ones posting on social media showing the hits out of their first ever box purchsae.

Point 2 - I agree. I don't think anyone has argued against that fact. But, all signs point to continued growth and a strong market for the foreseeable future.

Point 3 - I agree as well. The hobby will not be immune. But with that being said, the point I was trying to make is that our hobby is so hot right now that it could absorb a small recession. A recession in 2025 is not the same as one 20-50 years ago. Our government manipulates things so much that they are able to kick the can down the road and even change the rules of what it means to be in a recession. Our country is so far in debt that we have become a house of cards. Our economy either continues to march forward or the house collapses causing economic turmoil that we have not seen in our lifetime. I don't think they let that happen personally. Both sides of the aisle have their own ways to prevent it. But thats a totally different conversation.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

For my own amusement I'd like one of you tech bros to edit this gif so the one on the left reads Fanatics and the one on the right reads premium1981

I'm sure you are aware but about the only time people stoop to name calling and demeaning others they disagree with is when they don't have a counterargument. You have been saying our market has been falling for close to a year now. All while the market has done the complete opposite as your prediction. I'm about as free thinking and independent as one can be. I have a really good understanding of our market and, unlike you, I can actually explain what is happening and why it is happening. You don't like that because you can't seem to do the same. And for the record, since you and a couple others think I am defending Fanatics you can go through my posts and see that I dislike breakers, I think Fanatics is overpriced, I think most of their products are horrible value, and I have stopped opening cases of products I have loved because of it. But with that being said, there are plenty of people who love breaking and love opening current stuff that Fanatics makes. That is why our hobby is thriving. And its 100% fine for them to charge whatever they want to charge. Buy it if you like it, don't buy it if you don't. That's how the free market works.

[hermanotarjeta]

It’s sad that only four people (3 in this thread and 1 in the box break section) has shared their hobby box breaks.

Who is opening this stuff and why aren’t there more posts? Not even break result posts…

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s sad that only four people (3 in this thread and 1 in the box break section) has shared their hobby box breaks.

Who is opening this stuff and why aren’t there more posts? Not even break result posts…

I’m not sharing the results of my Jumbo box because there is no way that I’m supplying visual evidence that would support how stupid I am.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I’m not sharing the results of my Jumbo box because there is no way that I’m supplying visual evidence that would support how stupid I am.

Haha, how about just text results?

Bad breaks are just as important as good breaks to share.

Taking one for the team is always a commendable act!

[TheHeel]

Topps just announced Ohtani/Judge 1/1 was pulled.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Point 1 - I agree. Many flippers here only to make money. But that is true of any bull market in any sector. We also have a lot of new collectors. The flippers aren't the ones posting on social media showing the hits out of their first ever box purchsae.

Point 2 - I agree. I don't think anyone has argued against that fact. But, all signs point to continued growth and a strong market for the foreseeable future.

Point 3 - I agree as well. The hobby will not be immune. But with that being said, the point I was trying to make is that our hobby is so hot right now that it could absorb a small recession. A recession in 2025 is not the same as one 20-50 years ago. Our government manipulates things so much that they are able to kick the can down the road and even change the rules of what it means to be in a recession. Our country is so far in debt that we have become a house of cards. Our economy either continues to march forward or the house collapses causing economic turmoil that we have not seen in our lifetime. I don't think they let that happen personally. Both sides of the aisle have their own ways to prevent it. But thats a totally different conversation.

The prices will only sustain if there are people willing to buy singles at these absurdly high prices. I don't put it past Fanatics, as a cost of growing their business, to have a certain amount of people only known to the top brass to be buying these cards back(or pulling it themselves...Skenes patch), just to perpetuate the hype and continue to have the masses blindly buy their overpriced wax for their golden ticket. This "hobby" always has been and always will be a cesspool all the way to the top.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Topps just announced Ohtani/Judge 1/1 was pulled.

They are late to the party as it was announced here 16hrs ago


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[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by livfreely

They are late to the party as it was announced here 16hrs ago


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Ha! I did not know.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Ha! I did not know.

Cannot wait to see how much it goes for


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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by livfreely

Cannot wait to see how much it goes for


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At least the price of a jumbo box.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s sad that only four people (3 in this thread and 1 in the box break section) has shared their hobby box breaks.

Who is opening this stuff and why aren’t there more posts? Not even break result posts…

Those posts started going away years ago. You see them all over social media though. Individuals, not breakers.

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

The prices will only sustain if there are people willing to buy singles at these absurdly high prices. I don't put it past Fanatics, as a cost of growing their business, to have a certain amount of people only known to the top brass to be buying these cards back(or pulling it themselves...Skenes patch), just to perpetuate the hype and continue to have the masses blindly buy their overpriced wax for their golden ticket. This "hobby" always has been and always will be a cesspool all the way to the top.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think its true. Other than the lower end products, you have never had equal singles value to box values. The gap has already existed, its just happening at a larger scale now. Instead of people playing at the $5 Blackjack table they are at the $25 table. You can lose more, but you also win more. Hits like the Judge/Ohtani dual logoman autographs didn't exist in TC previously. You can call it a gimmick or whatever, but as long as those long shot winners exist the prices are going to collapse. Every autograph in the product could be middle relievers and people will still pay up for that chance at winning big.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Point 3 - I agree as well. The hobby will not be immune. But with that being said, the point I was trying to make is that our hobby is so hot right now that it could absorb a small recession. A recession in 2025 is not the same as one 20-50 years ago. Our government manipulates things so much that they are able to kick the can down the road and even change the rules of what it means to be in a recession. Our country is so far in debt that we have become a house of cards. Our economy either continues to march forward or the house collapses causing economic turmoil that we have not seen in our lifetime. I don't think they let that happen personally. Both sides of the aisle have their own ways to prevent it. But thats a totally different conversation.

This recession is going to be unlikely any we've had since 1982 (when interest rates were 10%+), since it's going to involve stagflation.

And I don't think anyone in our current government is competent enough to stop it or manage it.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

The prices will only sustain if there are people willing to buy singles at these absurdly high prices. I don't put it past Fanatics, as a cost of growing their business, to have a certain amount of people only known to the top brass to be buying these cards back(or pulling it themselves...Skenes patch), just to perpetuate the hype and continue to have the masses blindly buy their overpriced wax for their golden ticket. This "hobby" always has been and always will be a cesspool all the way to the top.

I don't even think the prices for 2025 TC autos are out of line by historical standards, people are just tolerating worse and worse box ROI as time passes.

The only base auto that is going for more than the cost of a jumbo box right now is Kurtz, after this weekend's insanity. Looks like James Wood parallels /250 and under get to around $500, Sasaki and Cam Smith parallels /150 and under. Otherwise, looks like it's got to be a true gold or better to have a real shot at recovering the cost of a box.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by tyrith

I don't even think the prices for 2025 TC autos are out of line by historical standards, people are just tolerating worse and worse box ROI as time passes.

The only base auto that is going for more than the cost of a jumbo box right now is Kurtz, after this weekend's insanity. Looks like James Wood parallels /250 and under get to around $500, Sasaki and Cam Smith parallels /150 and under. Otherwise, looks like it's got to be a true gold or better to have a real shot at recovering the cost of a box.

Kurtz is also that price because he’s super short printed with no base cards. Limited supply high demand.

[boxbuster7]

screw you fanatics! Lets go

biggest chase gone - WAX PRICES WILL CRATER

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Point 1 - I agree. Many flippers here only to make money. But that is true of any bull market in any sector. We also have a lot of new collectors. The flippers aren't the ones posting on social media showing the hits out of their first ever box purchsae.

Point 2 - I agree. I don't think anyone has argued against that fact. But, all signs point to continued growth and a strong market for the foreseeable future.

Those posting box break results on Reddit are generally the new gambling entrants hoping to hit a valuable card. They are the ones getting duped by the deceptive marketing from Fanatics.

You keep saying the market is growing, but overall, it's not. It's the gambling side that is still strong and growing. The collector and flipper sides of the market have been in decline for years now. The sports card market is losing ground to the Pokémon market.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

The prices will only sustain if there are people willing to buy singles at these absurdly high prices. I don't put it past Fanatics, as a cost of growing their business, to have a certain amount of people only known to the top brass to be buying these cards back(or pulling it themselves...Skenes patch), just to perpetuate the hype and continue to have the masses blindly buy their overpriced wax for their golden ticket. This "hobby" always has been and always will be a cesspool all the way to the top.

Uh, I just assume that's exactly what's going on.

It's no different than when the Fed buys and sells bonds.

Fanatics and their investors aren't letting this market collapse until they can cash out their equity.

[Boredlawyer]

All the usual posters spending 70% of their waking hours fuming about breaking/ROI/Fanatics.

We get it. Go to the lake or take the dog for a walk.

[fabiani12333]

If you think the prices in this hobby are organic and market driven, I've got a bridge in Alaska to sell to you.

It's a centrally controlled and directed market.

And you thought it was capitalistic and a free-market -- they don't even want you possessing the cards you buy; that's why they've got the vaults, baby.

[wilsonsingles]

Originally Posted by solt0131

The judge/Ohtani dual Logoman was pulled in northeast Ohio

auto patch or patch?

[wilsonsingles]

are all the logoman patch or patch autos 1 of 1's?

based on odds, looks like patch logoman are to /5.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The collector and flipper sides of the market have been in decline for years now.

What proof do you have of this claim? I believe it to be patently false, and the evidence I see supports my conclusion.

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I've got a bridge in Alaska to sell to you.

Which bridge? There are thousands of bridges in Alaska.