Skenes to the big leagues

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Looks like they want to make sure he doesn't pitch too many innings this year:


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/202507070079

Does this translate to: we aren’t winning anything this season, it’s over.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Does this translate to: we aren’t winning anything this season, it’s over.

Yes.

But the problem for Skenes is that the Pirates aren't going to win anything, ever, as long as Bob Nutting is the owner.

Imagine if the 1972 Phillies had told Steve Carlton "oh hey, we suck, so we're not going to let you pitch more than five innings so that we can save your arm".....

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Yes.

But the problem for Skenes is that the Pirates aren't going to win anything, ever, as long as Bob Nutting is the owner.

Imagine if the 1972 Phillies had told Steve Carlton "oh hey, we suck, so we're not going to let you pitch more than five innings so that we can save your arm".....

Carlton was 27 not 23. By not over working a young pitcher, it enhances his chances of have a longer career. At age 23 Nolan Ryan threw 131 innings. I guess you missed the line where Skenes was second in MLB in innings (now fifth). Everyone is limiting the number of innings their starters throw.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by rats60

By not over working a young pitcher, it enhances his chances of have a longer career. At age 23 Nolan Ryan threw 131 innings.

And then there are guys like Clemens, 254inn in his age 23 season. And Seaver 251inn, 278inn in age 22, 23 seasons.

Strasburg capped at ~160 in 2012, his age 23 season. He made it to 30.

Tommy Bond hurled 555inn in his age 23 season and he was TOAST by 25.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...bondto01.shtml

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by rats60

Carlton was 27 not 23. By not over working a young pitcher, it enhances his chances of have a longer career. At age 23 Nolan Ryan threw 131 innings. I guess you missed the line where Skenes was second in MLB in innings (now fifth). Everyone is limiting the number of innings their starters throw.

It also enhances their trade value.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by rats60

Carlton was 27 not 23.

I was referring to how the Phillies handled him during a 97 loss season....he threw 346 innings despite the fact that his team was atrocious.

Skenes shouldn't need to be protected at age 23, especially given that only threw 277 innings over four seasons prior to reaching the majors and was a primarily a position player in high school.

You protect the arms of 18/19/20 year olds....not 23 year-olds with minimal mileage.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I was referring to how the Phillies handled him during a 97 loss season....he threw 346 innings despite the fact that his team was atrocious.

Skenes shouldn't need to be protected at age 23, especially given that only threw 277 innings over four seasons prior to reaching the majors and was a primarily a position player in high school.

You protect the arms of 18/19/20 year olds....not 23 year-olds with minimal mileage.

A pitchers arm is still not fully developed at age 23. Paul Skenes is a generational talent. It is silly to overuse him on a team this bad.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by rats60

A pitchers arm is still not fully developed at age 23. Paul Skenes is a generational talent. It is silly to overuse him on a team this bad.

Not from the Pirates perspective....

- They know he's leaving as a free agent in 4-5 years, or likely even sooner if they trade him.

- They know they're NEVER going to be a contender as long as Nutting owns the team

- They know that he puts fannies in the seats

If your logic is that he should only pitch when the Pirates are contending, then he'd never pitch another inning as a Pirate.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Not from the Pirates perspective....

- They know he's leaving as a free agent in 4-5 years, or likely even sooner if they trade him.

- They know they're NEVER going to be a contender as long as Nutting owns the team

- They know that he puts fannies in the seats

If your logic is that he should only pitch when the Pirates are contending, then he'd never pitch another inning as a Pirate.

Reading is fundamental. I didn't say never use him, I said not overuse him.

The idea of limiting innings is the Pirates idea not Skenes. Bob Nutting got controlling interest of the Pirates in January of 2007, yet the Pirates made the playoffs three years in a row 2013-15. So, they have already been a contender with Nutting as the owner.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Not from the Pirates perspective....

- They know he's leaving as a free agent in 4-5 years, or likely even sooner if they trade him.

- They know they're NEVER going to be a contender as long as Nutting owns the team

- They know that he puts fannies in the seats

If your logic is that he should only pitch when the Pirates are contending, then he'd never pitch another inning as a Pirate.

They are trying to keep him from blowing out his arm -- it's pretty straightforward. He's a gunslinger, and those guys tend to blow out their arms on a regular basis nowadays.