***Official CAITLIN CLARK Thread***

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Cards aside...

She will get no respect until she stands up for herself on the court and starts "throwing punches around" when she gets hammered on the floor.

Stop sniveling and stand up. Stop having Sophie have to take up the slack because she slinks off cowering like a puppy who has been beat.

Fix your DNA.

how many WNBA games have you watched this season? Zero?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Let the hate debates keep flowing..

Angel Reese announced as NBA 2k WNBA athlete cover over CC..

Discuss

I did not even know there was an NBA 2K WNBA game. Lol

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by asujbl

The WNBA won’t matter in 5-10 years

Shh…. Keep it quiet

Does it really matter now? Not being a hater of the league, but a realist. If they were not subsidized by the NBA they would have folded year ago. Even with CC, they lost 40 million last year.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I did not even know there was an NBA 2K WNBA game. Lol

Its frustrating to play. All players have a zero layup rating.

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[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Does it really matter now? Not being a hater of the league, but a realist. If they were not subsidized by the NBA they would have folded year ago. Even with CC, they lost 40 million last year.

This claim has been proven wrong

Tell me how many fortune 500 companies stocks are at a all time high yet they still aren't in profit

smart businesses make it look like they lose money to pay less taxes

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by 703dispensary

blatant rip-off and going straight for the money. If they want to be like KAWS they'd have to put these cards in resealed retail package and let them be circulated organically (or something similar to that) before going down the monetization route - even then I don't see it working....pretty fugly.

As far as I can see, it's one guy. Very responsive. Puts up a limited batch every couple weeks and lets them ride at whatever they organically sell for.

I asked him if he could do Nesmith, as I have put together a set of Thunder/Pacers cards to commemorate the 2025 Finals. He said I should send him the card I want done, no problem.

Reseal pack is an idea.

[boxbuster7]

link? just want to see how much these "art" cards go for

[Nomad]

oh yeah, here it is.

if that doesnt work, just search BangHouse Sports on eBay.

[boxbuster7]

those are actually kind of cool but I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a cease and desist letter yet

[Nomad]

I wonder if Panini actually approved it. Cause its like got that official eBay sponsorship thing going.

Would make sense that card companies scrambling for new NBA/NFL pathways, would be looking to leverage the sketch side of the hobby. Could use past years' product and create an interesting line.

[703dispensary]

Originally Posted by Nomad

As far as I can see, it's one guy. Very responsive. Puts up a limited batch every couple weeks and lets them ride at whatever they organically sell for.

I asked him if he could do Nesmith, as I have put together a set of Thunder/Pacers cards to commemorate the 2025 Finals. He said I should send him the card I want done, no problem.

Reseal pack is an idea.

Yeah no doubt he's very responsive when people are paying him for that crap. There's absolutely nothing in the self-proclaimed "reminiscent of KAWS" other than blatant rip. More power to them for the sales but it's not at all original and preying on those ill-informed. The idea stems from KAWS street art where he replaced bus stop advertisement posters in Manhattan with his own artwork of a serpent like figure wrapped around the body of a super model like Kate Moss. Obviously he wasn't making any money doing that but that of course is part of his origin and establishment of the name/likeness.

Anyway - On Her Game by Christine Brennan came in the mail yesterday. Definitely good for the pumpers

[Nomad]

I wasn't aware of KAWS, have to look into that.

Oh wait, the dead Mickey Mouse guy. Well that's a little different. For one, it's depressing.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by 703dispensary

Yeah no doubt he's very responsive when people are paying him for that crap. There's absolutely nothing in the self-proclaimed "reminiscent of KAWS" other than blatant rip. More power to them for the sales but it's not at all original and preying on those ill-informed. The idea stems from KAWS street art where he replaced bus stop advertisement posters in Manhattan with his own artwork of a serpent like figure wrapped around the body of a super model like Kate Moss. Obviously he wasn't making any money doing that but that of course is part of his origin and establishment of the name/likeness.

Anyway - On Her Game by Christine Brennan came in the mail yesterday. Definitely good for the pumpers

and while I think the art is cool it is definitely not cool how much people can make off of unsuspecting customers

These should be like $15 not hundreds

[Nomad]

To be fair, you can get cards of any player for like $20 to $30. I mean it will not be a full "Aliens" Wemby... but similar.

The higher priced ones, I have seen a couple sell... but they are aspirations. Just like those super expensive "my card my price" normal cards of any players that stay up on eBay for years.

What I will say is two months ago I picked up my Haliburton for $5 and now the things sell 5-7x.

[asujbl]

She’s still hot

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by asujbl

She’s still hot

No. She looks like Neil from The Young Ones.

[ninjacookies]

The problem isn't that she's overrated.


It's that the rest of the league isn't even rated.


WNBA will never be a good business model. The reason why female UFC and tennis still thrive is because they're shared event/revenue models. There is very little NBA/WNBA overlap, and Silver would never make the financial suicide decision of trying to do so.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

WNBA will never be a good business model. The reason why female UFC and tennis still thrive is because they're shared event/revenue models. There is very little NBA/WNBA overlap, and Silver would never make the financial suicide decision of trying to do so.

I don’t know much about the WNBA business model so will leave that to you, but the UEFA Women's Champions League is experiencing significant growth year over year, as is the Women’s World Cup with each installment. One financial issue with women’s tennis is its shorter airtime compared to men’s which obviously impacts advertising $s.

I think women’s sports will only continue to grow in the future which is a win for everyone. Financials aside, super important for young girls to have role models on tv that they can aspire to.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Chryghst

I think women’s sports will only continue to grow in the future which is a win for everyone. Financials aside, super important for young girls to have role models on tv that they can aspire to.

With you on that. I want to see women thrive in all aspects of sport.

Unfortunately I'm not versed in soccer. Know a bit, but not much...as the sheer amount of leagues is overwhelming.

I could be totally off here, but one of the unique challenges the WNBA faces (that's unique to the sport) is glaring playstyle discrepancies between the sexes.

Again, no above-the-rim dynamics or consistency in rangy offense. Which are 2 of the biggest driving components for NBA viewership.

With most other sports, you don't really have a blatant omittance of key play factors, but rather just the physiological differences in the way they're carried out (slower serves/returns, less velocity on kicks, etc).

I'm just guessing there, but that's pretty much the main reason why I can't stomach sitting though an entire WNBA match, especially if it's not featuring a top 3 player. It's high school mens ball in my eyes.

[Nomad]

I guess the main thing is there is still an amateur vibe in the WNBA that people relate to. I mean, fortunately for the league, in the Pacers they got one of the most cool teams around in the Finals, but its nothing like seeing pro athletes who make like 200k fight to survive and thrive. Why Survivor is still a watched show.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

With you on that. I want to see women thrive in all aspects of sport.

Unfortunately I'm not versed in soccer. Know a bit, but not much...as the sheer amount of leagues is overwhelming.

I could be totally off here, but one of the unique challenges the WNBA faces (that's unique to the sport) is glaring playstyle discrepancies between the sexes.

Again, no above-the-rim dynamics or consistency in rangy offense. Which are 2 of the biggest driving components for NBA viewership.

With most other sports, you don't really have a blatant omittance of key play factors, but rather just the physiological differences in the way they're carried out (slower serves/returns, less velocity on kicks, etc).

I'm just guessing there, but that's pretty much the main reason why I can't stomach sitting though an entire WNBA match, especially if it's not featuring a top 3 player. It's high school mens ball in my eyes.

Very interesting point I’d never considered. In some ways I actually prefer women’s tennis because it isn’t just brute force—but Federer is also my GOAT for his mastery of finesse.

But I can see how basketball would be different. Rims are the same height despite the average WNBA player being half a foot shorter than the average NBA player. That probably hurts the above-the-rim dynamic. The WNBA ball is smaller but the rims are same diameter—that should help WNBA FG%. 3-point line is closer too. Not sure what the solution is, or if it’s just appreciate the two games for their differences. I can’t even watch college basketball anymore though so I get you.

[ninjacookies]

Lower the rim to 8.5 - 9 feet.

It's the only way.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Chryghst

Very interesting point I’d never considered. In some ways I actually prefer women’s tennis because it isn’t just brute force—but Federer is also my GOAT for his mastery of finesse.

But I can see how basketball would be different. Rims are the same height despite the average WNBA player being half a foot shorter than the average NBA player. That probably hurts the above-the-rim dynamic. The WNBA ball is smaller but the rims are same diameter—that should help WNBA FG%. 3-point line is closer too. Not sure what the solution is, or if it’s just appreciate the two games for their differences. I can’t even watch college basketball anymore though so I get you.

Love women's tennis. You're right in that it's generally a more tame/methodical viewership experience, though Saba and Serena definitely blurred those lines a bit. But you still get all the same aspects between both. Imagine the women's game without overhand serves. That's how the WNBA feels for me...it's handicapped because of the game's natural emphasis on height that further magnifies the differences in size/athleticism between sexes.


Caitlin's the only one even attempting to challenge the status quo, but even then we're witnessing how difficult it is for a female to maintain reasonable efficiency from those ranges because of the strength/endurance challenges over an entire game/season.

Could natural evolution eventually get women to the point where the gaps are mitigated? I don't know. Kind of feels like they're already approaching those upper limits, now they're just trying to fine tune/maximize their existing skillsets.

Whereas the NBA just keeps on getting bigger/stronger across the board.

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Love women's tennis. You're right in that it's generally a more tame/methodical viewership experience, though Saba and Serena definitely blurred those lines a bit. But you still get all the same aspects between both. Imagine the women's game without overhand serves. That's how the WNBA feels for me...it's handicapped because of the game's natural emphasis on height that further magnifies the differences in size/athleticism between sexes.


Caitlin's the only one even attempting to challenge the status quo, but even then we're witnessing how difficult it is for a female to maintain reasonable efficiency from those ranges because of the strength/endurance challenges over an entire game/season.

Could natural evolution eventually get women to the point where the gaps are mitigated? I don't know. Kind of feels like they're already approaching those upper limits, now they're just trying to fine tune/maximize their existing skillsets.

Whereas the NBA just keeps on getting bigger/stronger across the board.

Serena was definitely brute force. Sadly Saba is the post-Federer era, so after my time. I get your point about the game with no overhand serves and the translation to WNBA. The answer might be to lower the rim to adjust the proportional math of player heights in men’s/women’s games…or…

Keep in mind societies are often top-down, not bottom-up phenomena. If there’s no $ in professional women’s basketball, young girls are discouraged by their families from pursuing it. So the first generation of professional women either possess incredibly advantageous athleticism (but lesser skill) or they’re from advantageous backgrounds and can devote time to youth hobbies. More investment into the NBA means AAU circuits pop up, young boys pursue it because there’s a future in it, and families jump on board early because it offers upward societal mobility—worst case college scholarship, best case NBA salaries.

Investment in the NBA creates a whole infrastructure that extends into grassroots youth sport which improves the professional talent level eventually, but that takes time. Would think the same will be true for WNBA as time goes on, where families begin to see women’s sports can provide a viable future for their daughters and commit to it more than they have done. 10 years ago I can imagine families encouraged their daughter to pursue other things than basketball with their time, and young girls couldn’t turn on the TV to watch a WNBA game and dream about playing there one day. So the talent level should absolutely improve.

[Chryghst]

Thought about it more, Ninja, and I don’t think lower hoops are the answer. While it makes sense that lower height means lower release point and further distance required to the rim…lower hoops ultimately means fewer accessible courts in local communities. Parks would have to build men’s courts and women’s courts rather than everyone being able to play on what’s there now.

I think that trade-off is a net negative overall.