***Official CAITLIN CLARK Thread***

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

The difference is that Curry checks the box for both (more exciting to watch AND better than peak AD).

Based on what I heard, the same cannot be said of CC.

Exactly. But the bigger difference is, the WNBA doesn't also have 15+ other main-draw stars for her to compete against.

So despite the fact she doesn't even have 1/100th of his resume, I can safely peg her as their leagues' Curry because of the current landscape.

This all beckons back to my original point months ago: the overall quality of the league itself is not good. Team and leaguewide shooting/turnover percentages are piss poor compared to their NBA counterparts. Add in nil above the rim play and lack of consistent dynamic shooting ranges and what do you get?: a bunch of EXTREMELY talented women that looks like you're watching a Pro Skills age 11-15 Boys aau game.


I don't think this sudden explosion in growth catalyzed by a single player is healthy or sustainable. Kind of reminds me of women's boxing back when Laila Ali was putting it down vs. where it is now. But what's the league supposed to do? Stand by idly and not cash in on this golden opportunity?

The die hards will never leave, but I'm not sure how long new blood will stick around when/if CC retires and/or possibly never reaches her expected heights.



Top 4 base salaries coming into the 2025 season combine for a little less than one million dollars. One. It's no wonder Reese was pms'ing about her inability to maintain a baseline IG influencer (high rise studio rental w/ a used G wagon and 3 Hermes purses) lifestyle before she started to rake in the Mebounds endorsements.

[boxbuster7]

It is pretty funny

If you can't see the appeal to caitlin clark you've been living under a rock for the past 3 years

I'd get it if she wasn't very good and a great college player but the fact she is as good as she is culturally relevant makes her generational

And as I said, I don't have much invested in her...I just think she is a bada$$

[Incarnadine]

Caitlin made some interesting picks for the All-Star game draft, but the funniest thing by far was Caitlin trading the coach (Cheryl Reeve).
The Captains were allowed to make trades after the draft and CC immediately traded Reeve for Sandy Brondello, despite it being unclear if the rules allowed teams to trade coaches.
We all know Reeve isn't exactly Caitlin's biggest fan and I guess the feeling was mutual.

To quote CC " I don't know if it's in the rules and I don't really care, but we are trading coaches".

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I don't have to look at your posts to know that you pump what you own and dismiss what you don't

I mean she's the best woman's basketball prospect of all time

it really isn't even up for debate

I bet the person who bought her bowman chrome superfractor auto a few years back when everybody thought it was insane for $87k has turned down 7 figure offers

Did you see me complaining about Clark prices a few years ago?

I dismiss it because I'm smart enough to not buy at inflated prices, just like I dismissed Zion mania, Bol Bol mania, and the current Caitlyn Clark mania.

I'd love to hear what you think I'm pumping. Every once in a while I miss out on a trend like Kaboom, SGA, Ohtani, and probably a good number more. But the key to my success is I've never blown it all on an over priced prospect. If you'd like to see my track record, you probably should look through my post history.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Did you see me complaining about Clark prices a few years ago?

I dismiss it because I'm smart enough to not buy at inflated prices, just like I dismissed Zion mania, Bol Bol mania, and the current Caitlyn Clark mania.

I'd love to hear what you think I'm pumping. Every once in a while I miss out on a trend like Kaboom, SGA, Ohtani, and probably a good number more. But the key to my success is I've never blown it all on an over priced prospect. If you'd like to see my track record, you probably should look through my post history.

Bol Bol?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Bol Bol?

You weren't around cards in 2020-2021?

[boxbuster7]

comparing caitlin clark to bol bol is disingenuous

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

comparing caitlin clark to bol bol is disingenuous

You can't that dull, can you?

I'm comparing hype in sports cards... There's an entire ecosystem out there on social media to hype up certain players and new product when the people selling them have inventory to sell.

Right now there is more new CC inventory coming out than ever before. She's not having a great season. She's not breaking any records. Heck, she hasn't played a game in over 2 weeks. Her team is floating around .500.

Yet her prices are at an all time high. Why is that?

I'll leave it to you to figure that out.

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by tjforce

You can't that dull, can you?

I'm comparing hype in sports cards... There's an entire ecosystem out there on social media to hype up certain players and new product when the people selling them have inventory to sell.

Right now there is more new CC inventory coming out than ever before. She's not having a great season. She's not breaking any records. Heck, she hasn't played a game in over 2 weeks. Her team is floating around .500.

Yet her prices are at an all time high. Why is that?

I'll leave it to you to figure that out.

Geoff Wilson,

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

You can't be that dull, can you?

I'm comparing hype in sports cards... There's an entire ecosystem out there on social media to hype up certain players and new product when the people selling them have inventory to sell.

Right now there is more new CC inventory coming out than ever before. She's not having a great season. She's not breaking any records. Heck, she hasn't played a game in over 2 weeks. Her team is floating around .500.

Yet her prices are at an all time high. Why is that?

I'll leave it to you to figure that out.

fixed your typo in the first sentence

Have some vision bud...I mean anybody that has been around knows buying the year cards are released is usually a bad move

but that isn't exclusive to caitlin clark -

again I don't have much invested in her. I am not pumping her - but to even mention her in the same sentence as zion and bol bol...I mean come on

you're better than that

she is on a different stratosphere even than luka doncic I'd say - we're talking a legit generational lebron, wemby, yamal type prospect

[FatButcher]

I think it will boil down to the league either stopping or allowing to continue other teams being into her body on D.

If the current officiating approach sustains, I suspect you will continue to see decent counting stats accumulated in a very inefficient way. The Trae Young analogy is scarily apt at the present moment, even more when you watch her play "defense".

[cdub6238]

Let the hate debates keep flowing..

Angel Reese announced as NBA 2k WNBA athlete cover over CC..

Discuss

[boxbuster7]

just strengthening the rivalry between them

it's good for womans basketball

[703dispensary]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Angel Reese announced as NBA 2k WNBA athlete cover over CC..

good business decision.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

fixed your typo in the first sentence

Have some vision bud...I mean anybody that has been around knows buying the year cards are released is usually a bad move

but that isn't exclusive to caitlin clark -

again I don't have much invested in her. I am not pumping her - but to even mention her in the same sentence as zion and bol bol...I mean come on

you're better than that

she is on a different stratosphere even than luka doncic I'd say - we're talking a legit generational lebron, wemby, yamal type prospect

That's literally the whole point I'm trying to make here in the first place:

Her cards are overheated. Especially for the performance she's been putting forward this season.

So what happens if she finishes her WNBA career and she's not in everybody's list of WNBA GOATs? What if she can't pass Diani Taurasi, Lisa Leslie, Sue Bird, etc.? Do her card values stay this high if 5-10 years from now we look back and she's not at that level?

[tjforce]

Also, I feel obliged to amend my earlier comment...

It looks like CC did play today, returning to action with a 4-12 shooting, 10 point performance in a 19 point loss to at home.

I didn't watch the game, but I'm open to hearing some context from all of you who did.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by tjforce

That's literally the whole point I'm trying to make here in the first place:

Her cards are overheated. Especially for the performance she's been putting forward this season.

So what happens if she finishes her WNBA career and she's not in everybody's list of WNBA GOATs? What if she can't pass Diani Taurasi, Lisa Leslie, Sue Bird, etc.? Do her card values stay this high if 5-10 years from now we look back and she's not at that level?

The WNBA won’t matter in 5-10 years

Shh…. Keep it quiet

[technowando]

Originally Posted by tjforce

You can't that dull, can you?

I'm comparing hype in sports cards... There's an entire ecosystem out there on social media to hype up certain players and new product when the people selling them have inventory to sell.

Right now there is more new CC inventory coming out than ever before. She's not having a great season. She's not breaking any records. Heck, she hasn't played a game in over 2 weeks. Her team is floating around .500.

Yet her prices are at an all time high. Why is that?

I'll leave it to you to figure that out.

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

comparing caitlin clark to bol bol is disingenuous

Last summer you could've said her prices are at an all-time high. I'm sure there were people who thought her market prices weren't sustainable because we'd never seen a women's basketball player command these prices, but here we are. Just like the stock market, stats and metrics aren't everything, what people think and how they value it may not be based on numbers alone.

Stats are fine, but they aren't everything. She's going to have an advantage when it comes to stats because the WNBA keeps adding more games to its schedule. She'll play more games in a shorter period of time, including more games in her prime. They used to play 34 games in a season, but even her rookie year they were up to 40 games and this season has 44 games. She'll have more opportunities to shine than many legends before her.

What matters more than stats are the moments. I'll give you an example.

The last time they played the New York Liberty they were down 15 - 21. New York had momentum and as a fan, you're a little worried that you're down early on in the game. She then went on to hit 3 consecutive 3 pointers that were all highlight worthy shots. After her flurry of 3 pointers, the score was tied up 24 - 24. She willed them back into the game and it was a huge momentum shift. This game was nationally televised on ABC, so she stepped up in a huge moment when people were watching. Stepping up in big moments like this adds to the legend of Caitlin Clark more than stats will. People see highlights like that and realize the talent is there, even if she if she's not 100% healthy.

There's also the possibility that she is (or will be) the face of basketball -- not just of women's basketball (which, she already is) but of the entire sport. IMO, you have to give her cards a boost if she achieves this status. You don't have to be the best basketball player to achieve this status -- you need to be popular and you need to have a huge influence off the court. I think she has those two aspects covered. IMO, this is the biggest factor that you're underestimating/undervaluing -- her off the court influence.

If you read through my points above, I think it's pretty clear that she's way beyond Bol Bol. You made me laugh with that one. I hadn't thought about him in a long time.

I've acquired a decent collection of her cards. I'm collector, not an investor and I'm not concerned about her prices. If the prices go down, I'd think of that as a good buying opportunity.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by technowando

Last summer you could've said her prices are at an all-time high. I'm sure there were people who thought her market prices weren't sustainable because we'd never seen a women's basketball player command these prices, but here we are.

But a year I ago I didn't say that her prices weren't sustainable.

But here I am now *questioning*, not even 100% saying they aren't, but *questioning* if they are actually sustainable or just being artificially pushed higher by certain actors who have inventory to sell.

It seems like I've ruffled a few feathers in doing so. And considering my track record of being very profitable in sports cards over the past decade, I feel I have a good understanding of why.

[Nomad]

Banghouse off the res with his latest Clark.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by technowando

Last summer you could've said her prices are at an all-time high. I'm sure there were people who thought her market prices weren't sustainable because we'd never seen a women's basketball player command these prices, but here we are. Just like the stock market, stats and metrics aren't everything, what people think and how they value it may not be based on numbers alone.

Stats are fine, but they aren't everything. She's going to have an advantage when it comes to stats because the WNBA keeps adding more games to its schedule. She'll play more games in a shorter period of time, including more games in her prime. They used to play 34 games in a season, but even her rookie year they were up to 40 games and this season has 44 games. She'll have more opportunities to shine than many legends before her.

What matters more than stats are the moments. I'll give you an example.

The last time they played the New York Liberty they were down 15 - 21. New York had momentum and as a fan, you're a little worried that you're down early on in the game. She then went on to hit 3 consecutive 3 pointers that were all highlight worthy shots. After her flurry of 3 pointers, the score was tied up 24 - 24. She willed them back into the game and it was a huge momentum shift. This game was nationally televised on ABC, so she stepped up in a huge moment when people were watching. Stepping up in big moments like this adds to the legend of Caitlin Clark more than stats will. People see highlights like that and realize the talent is there, even if she if she's not 100% healthy.

There's also the possibility that she is (or will be) the face of basketball -- not just of women's basketball (which, she already is) but of the entire sport. IMO, you have to give her cards a boost if she achieves this status. You don't have to be the best basketball player to achieve this status -- you need to be popular and you need to have a huge influence off the court. I think she has those two aspects covered. IMO, this is the biggest factor that you're underestimating/undervaluing -- her off the court influence.

If you read through my points above, I think it's pretty clear that she's way beyond Bol Bol. You made me laugh with that one. I hadn't thought about him in a long time.

I've acquired a decent collection of her cards. I'm collector, not an investor and I'm not concerned about her prices. If the prices go down, I'd think of that as a good buying opportunity.

[703dispensary]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Banghouse off the res with his latest Clark.

blatant rip-off and going straight for the money. If they want to be like KAWS they'd have to put these cards in resealed retail package and let them be circulated organically (or something similar to that) before going down the monetization route - even then I don't see it working....pretty fugly.

[TimBuckTwo]

Cards aside...

She will get no respect until she stands up for herself on the court and starts "throwing punches around" when she gets hammered on the floor.

Stop sniveling and stand up. Stop having Sophie have to take up the slack because she slinks off cowering like a puppy who has been beat.

Fix your DNA.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Cards aside...

She will get no respect until she stands up for herself on the court and starts "throwing punches around" when she gets hammered on the floor.

Stop sniveling and stand up. Stop having Sophie have to take up the slack because she slinks off cowering like a puppy who has been beat.

Fix your DNA.

I dunno, her basically throwing AR to the floor, then staring her down was pretty bold. This isn't like hockey where you can wail on a guy and just sit in a box for 5 minutes. Getting suspended for throwing punches isn't in her or the team's best interests.

[stanmarsh]

overrated