1990 Topps Frank Thomas NNOF - what is going on here?!?

[trendy26]

Look at what a PSA 2 just went for. Insane! May have to entertain letting go of my BGS 8.5 copy. Almost $5K for a creased PSA 2?!?!

https://ebay.us/m/Nk17zA

[hanes1111]

Just sold my PSA8 for 15k, secretly miss it ......funds needed for other things and I had the pleasure of owning it.

[Big35Hurt]

Glad I got mine pre-Covid craziness. Even the partial blackless version seems to be going for crazy amounts.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by hanes1111

Just sold my PSA8 for 15k, secretly miss it ......funds needed for other things and I had the pleasure of owning it.

That’s an awesome price you got for it. Also my worry is that I’d miss the card too much if I sold it. It’s definitely a grail..!

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Glad I got mine pre-Covid craziness. Even the partial blackless version seems to be going for crazy amounts.

That’s awesome! Wish I picked mine up pre-Covid! Seems to be a card that just keeps going up. Has its cycles though and I’m sure the National coming up tends to drive up prices

[cruiserdaddy7]

Some to start ripping at $75 a box.......

Chasing this is about equivalent to chasing big hits today with the production levels so high of all the new stuff.

[nowiamsad]

I mean it’s THE card of the junk wax era.

[hatchd]

Hope this starts to push the higher grades up. Does anyone have access to psa 8 prices from 18/19 through current? I don't remember this card taking a huge COVID leap like most others, but I might have missed it.

[yoyosh]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Some to start ripping at $75 a box.......

Chasing this is about equivalent to chasing big hits today with the production levels so high of all the new stuff.

I’ve been thinking the same thing

[ThoseBackPages]

gotta pay to play

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Some to start ripping at $75 a box.......

Chasing this is about equivalent to chasing big hits today with the production levels so high of all the new stuff.

I don't believe production of base Topps today is anywhere near 1990 numbers, despite being very high.

1990 Topps should never be $75/box, mostly due to there being almost no value (not counting graded sales) outside of the NNOF or its neighbor cards. The NNOF is a printing error and we have likely seen the majority of them pulled from packs by now. With current Topps product, as bad as it is, there are many different ways to recoup something from your box cost.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by junkwaxgems

I don't believe production of base Topps today is anywhere near 1990 numbers, despite being very high.

1990 Topps should never be $75/box, mostly due to there being almost no value (not counting graded sales) outside of the NNOF or its neighbor cards. The NNOF is a printing error and we have likely seen the majority of them pulled from packs by now. With current Topps product, as bad as it is, there are many different ways to recoup something from your box cost.

No packs are worth what they are selling for. People will pay for the lottery ticket to pull a NNOF. It is silly, but it is no different from current product. If you want one of these, just like any card, just buy it. However, people love to gamble or see sales of PSA 10's. Pack fresh gem mint is also what most people think they will get, increasing the value to stupid levels.

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

No packs are worth what they are selling for. People will pay for the lottery ticket to pull a NNOF. It is silly, but it is no different from current product. If you want one of these, just like any card, just buy it. However, people love to gamble or see sales of PSA 10's. Pack fresh gem mint is also what most people think they will get, increasing the value to stupid levels.

Yep. 1990 Topps is pure gambling for one card that may no longer exist in remaining sealed wax.

And since slabbed PSA 10s don't pop out of these packs it makes 1990 Topps among the worst of junk way flagship Topps since there is virtually nothing of redeemable value unlike modern wax (or even 1991 Topps) where you might end up with $20-50 worth of misc. out of your box.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by junkwaxgems

Yep. 1990 Topps is pure gambling for one card that may no longer exist in remaining sealed wax.

And since slabbed PSA 10s don't pop out of these packs it makes 1990 Topps among the worst of junk way flagship Topps since there is virtually nothing of redeemable value unlike modern wax (or even 1991 Topps) where you might end up with $20-50 worth of misc. out of your box.

Your logic is faulty if you think that all of them have been pulled already just because it was a long time ago when the stuff was opened. The same percentage odds for pulling one now exists for pulling one in 1990.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Tim

Your logic is faulty if you think that all of them have been pulled already just because it was a long time ago when the stuff was opened. The same percentage odds for pulling one now exists for pulling one in 1990.

That assumes equal distribution. But in reality, it was one run of cards that likely went on the same pallet or two, shipped to one or two locations. And if any were opened from those cases, most likely the vast majority were opened. This greatly reduces the odds of them still in packs. It's possible some are, but not likely. Once one came out of a case, people would know to open the rest of the case.

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by Tim

Your logic is faulty if you think that all of them have been pulled already just because it was a long time ago when the stuff was opened. The same percentage odds for pulling one now exists for pulling one in 1990.

Can you elaborate? Are you thinking that they were evenly distributed? Like an insert?

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That assumes equal distribution. But in reality, it was one run of cards that likely went on the same pallet or two, shipped to one or two locations. And if any were opened from those cases, most likely the vast majority were opened. This greatly reduces the odds of them still in packs. It's possible some are, but not likely. Once one came out of a case, people would know to open the rest of the case.

This exactly.

I agree that it is entirely possible that some of that print run exists sealed but it is not likely to be very much at this point. We have seen only a couple pulled over the last 15 years since the code for their creation was cracked on a forum and more collectors jumped into the hunt (covid also caused this stuff to get broken like crazy).

[awz50]

Overpriced but that's just my viewpoint

[ewokpelts]

While part of me wants to hunt for the Frank NNOF(sox fan here), there's also the fact there's 9 billion packs of this stuff out there. And in so many formats to boot. Cello packs, rack packs, wax packs, vending boxes, factory sets. It may just be easier to buy one that's graded and legit.

[rudan007]

Even more comical is the 2025 version numbered to 35 sold for $1775 last month.....

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by rudan007

Even more comical is the 2025 version numbered to 35 sold for $1775 last month.....

modern junk wax

[Chaotic30]

One of my holy grails for sure.. got it in 2016 at the National

[nowiamsad]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That assumes equal distribution. But in reality, it was one run of cards that likely went on the same pallet or two, shipped to one or two locations. And if any were opened from those cases, most likely the vast majority were opened. This greatly reduces the odds of them still in packs. It's possible some are, but not likely. Once one came out of a case, people would know to open the rest of the case.

says "in reality" followed by wild speculation.

By your same logic there could be a pallet or multiple out there loaded with NNOFs. There's no way to know what is out there, in reality.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by nowiamsad

says "in reality" followed by wild speculation.

By your same logic there could be a pallet or multiple out there loaded with NNOFs. There's no way to know what is out there, in reality.

Exactly.

[brewtown107]

Lol there is some way to know.

If you read the thread on the other forum that explains how the blackless variations came to be, then you understand how limited the error is. You guys sound like guys who have some worthless cases of 1990 Topps you're looking to sell at inflated prices.

"There's just no way to know" *shrugs* Lol

[nowiamsad]

Originally Posted by brewtown107

Lol there is some way to know.

If you read the thread on the other forum that explains how the blackless variations came to be, then you understand how limited the error is. You guys sound like guys who have some worthless cases of 1990 Topps you're looking to sell at inflated prices.

"There's just no way to know" *shrugs* Lol

Yeah bro, just sitting on cases of this stuff waiting for it to blow up, right next to my warehouse full of pennies.