Jacob Degrom appreciation thread

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Yes they optimize efficiency in delivery to add 2-3 mph. The rest of the velocity gains will come with optimizing strength training/weight training/throwing program/supplements etc. If you do all of this very seriously over the course of a year while also perfecting your mechanics then yes you can prob go from 83-90

So if they can why are they not saying it? Why are guys still making the majors in the very low 90's? I am trying to understand

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Yes they optimize efficiency in delivery to add 2-3 mph. The rest of the velocity gains will come with optimizing strength training/weight training/throwing program/supplements etc. If you do all of this very seriously over the course of a year while also perfecting your mechanics then yes you can prob go from 83-90

Yes, a kid who dedicates his life to strength, nutrition, arm care, mechanics, etc., might be able to go from 83 to 90. That's one kid in 10,000 who actually does it. Quite a bit different from "send your kid to driveline and they will get him from 83 to 90".

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Yes, a kid who dedicates his life to strength, nutrition, arm care, mechanics, etc., might be able to go from 83 to 90. That's one kid in 10,000 who actually does it. Quite a bit different from "send your kid to driveline and they will get him from 83 to 90".

I mean I've seen numerous kids (myself included) go from low 80s to 90s in 2 years or less and have seen low 80s to upper 90s in 2 years as well from teammates. It not a 1/10,000 event or anywhere close to that. Caveat of course it steroids makes most of this conversation obsolete as its gonna be more importnat then almost everything else.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So if they can why are they not saying it? Why are guys still making the majors in the very low 90's? I am trying to understand

This is a different thread, but long story short they aren't (if they are it's usually a gimmick arm slot etc) and the rate at which they do so declines every year.

For instance, name one pitching prospect in the top 200 that throws in upper 80s- very low 90s.

Look at this year. look at top 100 pitchrs 26 and younger and see how many threw an avg fastball below 91 mph. There is 1. Humberto Castellanos and he thorws 89 from sidearm/weird arm slot

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

I mean I've seen numerous kids (myself included) go from low 80s to 90s in 2 years or less and have seen low 80s to upper 90s in 2 years as well from teammates. It not a 1/10,000 event or anywhere close to that. Caveat of course it steroids makes most of this conversation obsolete as its gonna be more importnat then almost everything else.

Driveline is pushing steroids??????

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Driveline is pushing steroids??????

no, I'm saying steroids unforuntatlely will give greater results then almost everything else

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

no, I'm saying steroids unforuntatlely will give greater results then almost everything else

Gotcha, because earlier it was about how you can send your kid to Driveline and go from 83-90. I think we agree that they aren't performing miracles like that.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Gotcha, because earlier it was about how you can send your kid to Driveline and go from 83-90. I think we agree that they aren't performing miracles like that.

Yes maybee I was unclear. If you go to driveline they provide you with the tools that will allow you to throw 90 if you put in a ton of work

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Yes maybee I was unclear. If you go to driveline they provide you with the tools that will allow you to throw 90 if you put in a ton of work

I'm on board with that. Unfortunately, most of the guys I see, even in central Florida where the baseball is really good, aren't putting in the work.

[Archangel1775]

With how much a few members fill their mouths(verbally) with Degrom, you would think this thread wouldn't have died when he got injured back in 2022. From claims that he's best pitcher everrr, to he's had a better career than all his peers including Kershaw and that his career parallels Aaron Judge....get your fill here!

[boxbuster7]

mlb is better when degrom is shoving

glad to see him healthy again

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

mlb is better when degrom is shoving

glad to see him healthy again

I actually hope he does well the next few years of his contract and can sign on to play a couple more year into his 40's. He doesn't have the mileage others pitchers have had.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Aaron Judge is the offense equivalent to Jacob deGrom, in terms of their careers.

Just curious, did you read the deGrom thread to see how he was being talked about back then? You know, since you think we're just making things up now?

This thread is to talk about HOF players we are watching now, so I will continue to talk about him here.

Originally Posted by whitmm

I mean, you're wrong, but okay.

Judge doesn't have the counting stats yet
Judge has had a long history of injuries
Judge is the best hitter in the league when healthy.
Judge's run of dominance has only been 2022-25 (hmm, sounds a lot like 2018-2021)

I thought these were concerns and comments that should be talked about here where other Degrom fans can give us their thoughts as well.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

I only count last 100 years for pitchers but off the top of my head

1. 1st all time career era
2. 1st all time career ERA+
3. 1st all time career WHIP
4. 1st all time career K/BB ratio
5. 1st all time quality starts %
6. 1st all time allowing 1 run or less per start %
7. 1st all time war/ IP
8. Most consecutive quality starts MLB history
9. Most consecutive starts allowing 3 runs or less MLB history
10. Fastest to 1500/1700 Ks mlb history

I’m sure there are others I am forgetting but to say 0 so he doesn’t belong in the HOF is pretty laughable

I saw that Marinao Rivera was ahead of Degrom in both ERA and ERA+. His WHIP and K/BB ratio are impressive though for sure.

[bbteamw]

[boxbuster7]

now that is a sweet card!

[ScooterD]

^^^^ Yea - that’s a sick piece of cardboard

[Archangel1775]

I take it that its a box topper? Jeez man, what a card!

[bbteamw]

Yeah, that's the 1/1 cabinet relic.

2016 was the last year A&G had them.

Very sad to see them go.

[Tim]

I actually think this guy is underrated currently. 7 no hit innings and this thread remained buried.

[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by Tim

I actually think this guy is underrated currently. 7 no hit innings and this thread remained buried.

Extremely. The best MLB game to watch each week is a Degrom start.

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[Sportnut08]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

Extremely. The best MLB game to watch each week is a Degrom start.

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I agree. The one game I make sure I tune in to.


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[okumeister]

Been wanting this card for a while, and finally got it recently.
The design and layout is perfect to me.
Loved watching games at Citi Field from the Coca Cola Porch shown.

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[Biohazarddfl]

Originally Posted by okumeister

Been wanting this card for a while, and finally got it recently.
The design and layout is perfect to me.
Loved watching games at Citi Field from the Coca Cola Porch shown.

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This is a chase card for me as well. Congrats!

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[okumeister]

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

This is a chase card for me as well. Congrats!

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Thank you!
Hope you find one soon as well!