Rafael Devers

[atk825]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

Meanwhile, he’s going to play 1st base for the Giants. For real. Giants are in the middle of a pennant race. They ask the same thing and he says, sure, no problem. Whatever the guys in charge want I’ll do it. What a joke. I say : GOOD RIDDANCE

Think you should be mad at Red Sox management if that’s the case.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Gary

As a Sox's fan i think this is right on.......i was actually hoping Yaz would part of the deal.

Seriously…. Why didn’t the baseball gods let that happen?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Seriously…. Why didn’t the baseball gods let that happen?

Yaz is a veteran leader but yeah, that would've been pretty cool to see.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by atk825

Think you should be mad at Red Sox management if that’s the case.

I’m really not. They are paying him $300 million and ask him do potentially make a move to a position that would help the team and he says no. Totally within his right to decline, and totally within their right to get rid of him and take their $300 million back. Honestly. I don’t blame them at all. The Sox will be better off without him in the long run. He’s got a great bat, but his me first approach can go enjoy another clubhouse.

I’m with Big Papi who said the following…

“I played for the Red Sox a long time,” Ortiz told Rosenthal on Monday. “You think everything with me and the Red Sox was roses and flowers? I went through some tough times also. But I was mature enough to understand and keep things internal. Even in the best families, between the best brothers, s—t happens. You need to have the maturity to resolve the problems and move on.”

In speaking with Gomez, Ortiz made a similar point: “This is a business, it’s not your house, it’s not about what you want or don’t want, this is a business that people have to put their clothes on to fight for and respect. Devers could have been the face of the Red Sox franchise.”

[Archangel1775]

First appearance against the Giants, 0-5, Devers strikes out swinging in his last AB against a 102mph fastball from Champman. Giants lose 7-5

Both had some words to say to each other at the end of the game.

[Tibbs2004]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

It’s almost as if the new organization treated him with respect and asked his opinion, instead of blindsiding him and leaking his displeasure to the local Boston media. (I wonder who owns the Boston Globe and can dictate what they report???)

I don't care what he's making, he's an employee and should be willing to do whatever it takes to win games. He's been humbled, and it shows. He told Henry he would play first, maybe, but only next year. He became a diva and forgot he was an employee. The team will me better of without his attitude.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The man was given a contract as the franchise player. I think the problem lies with trust. If they tell him before he signs his contract that he's their 3B unless a superior FA comes along and he agrees to it, I don't see a problem. If they tell him he's their 3b for the foreseeable future and then went and signed Bregman, I could see the issue. Compound that with, abruptly shifting him, telling him he's the DH for the foreseeable future and then attempting to put him at a position for big fat guys(in that MLB sense) abruptly, why wouldn't he have some disdain? Now I think the entire team should've kept it in-house but that didn't happen. So now here we are. It's clear he wont be the 3B for the Giants with a very superior defender there, who also extended, we shall see where he plays.

I can see being upset if he was coming due for a contract about not wanting to move but he got his big contract already. They sign a better 3B say ok you will be DH he cries about that and moves. Then the 1B gets hurt and they want him to try out at 1B and he throws a fit and refuses. It's not like his paycheck is going to be any different if he does or does not. It was also not like Boston was planning this. Had their 1B not got hurt they would have been more then happy to keep him at DH. He could have at least tried 1B if he was not a fit there he stays at DH and Boston said oh well we tried him at 1B but he's not a fit. But instead Devers acted like a spoiled little brat. If I was a teammate I would be cheering this trade. If a guy like that does not want to do whats best for the team after he got paid it's best to have him off the team if he's only in business for himself.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

First appearance against the Giants, 0-5, Devers strikes out swinging in his last AB against a 102mph fastball from Champman. Giants lose 7-5

Both had some words to say to each other at the end of the game.

Chapman had words with Flores not Devers. Devers and Chapman actually nodded towards each other and smiled before the at bat

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Tibbs2004

I don't care what he's making, he's an employee and should be willing to do whatever it takes to win games.

So in real life you would be of the opinion that an employee should be willing to do whatever it takes to maximize the profits of the company they work for, no matter how respectfully they have been treated by management or how bad communication has been to them from their superiors?

You're living in a dream world.....

Devers behaved just like most people do when treated poorly by their management.....

[packman80]

Originally Posted by mfw13

So in real life you would be of the opinion that an employee should be willing to do whatever it takes to maximize the profits of the company they work for, no matter how respectfully they have been treated by management or how bad communication has been to them from their superiors?

You're living in a dream world.....

Devers behaved just like most people do when treated poorly by their management.....

Poorly treated by management? Dude got 300 million dollars. He acted little a little B word.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by packman80

Poorly treated by management? Dude got 300 million dollars. He acted little a little B word.

A new employee was brought in from outside the organization to do his job (play 3B) without him being told. He was then summarily told that he was being assigned to a new job (DH), and to not even bring the tools he needed for his old job to work. And then just as he was getting comfortable in that new job, he was asked to fill a third job (1B) despite having no training for it nor the necessary skills.

If I was treated that way by the organization I worked for, I'd be looking for a new employer PDQ.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by mfw13

A new employee was brought in from outside the organization to do his job (play 3B) without him being told. He was then summarily told that he was being assigned to a new job (DH), and to not even bring the tools he needed for his old job to work. And then just as he was getting comfortable in that new job, he was asked to fill a third job (1B) despite having no training for it nor the necessary skills.

If I was treated that way by the organization I worked for, I'd be looking for a new employer PDQ.

He's a black hole on defense they brought in a better defensive 3B.

Last night Brewers asked Sal Frelick to play 1B. Never played there before. He went ahead and did what was asked of him


If you would look for a new employer because they won't let you dictate how you do your job I would be be the employer saying don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

If I was being paid $300 million they could ask me to go sell hot dogs in the stands and I would do it for that much money.

[here2havefun]

GM can't say "I'm going to sign a top ten hitter. IF they end up not being a great leader, AND humble, AND always put the team first, I'm going to trade them". There's literally only 10 of them, if you're lucky enough to sign one, it's on management to manage his personality and keep him happy. Doing otherwise is a failure of the GM/manager.execs/etc. Players like Judge and JRam are few and far between.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by mfw13

A new employee was brought in from outside the organization to do his job (play 3B) without him being told. He was then summarily told that he was being assigned to a new job (DH), and to not even bring the tools he needed for his old job to work. And then just as he was getting comfortable in that new job, he was asked to fill a third job (1B) despite having no training for it nor the necessary skills.

If I was treated that way by the organization I worked for, I'd be looking for a new employer PDQ.

Using your argument strategy... what would you do for your employer if they gave you a $300million contract? I'd have played 1B. Or cleaned the toilets.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Using your argument strategy... what would you do for your employer if they gave you a $300million contract? I'd have played 1B. Or cleaned the toilets.

You can't compare apples with oranges.....Devers is making about 40x the minimum wage for an MLB player this year....that would equate to about 600K based on the federal minimum wage.

And no, I wouldn't accept a completely new job which I had never done before and didn't have the skills or training for if my employer asked....I'd find a new job doing what I was already competent at with a different company.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by mfw13

You can't compare apples with oranges.....Devers is making about 40x the minimum wage for an MLB player this year....that would equate to about 600K based on the federal minimum wage.

And no, I wouldn't accept a completely new job which I had never done before and didn't have the skills or training for if my employer asked....I'd find a new job doing what I was already competent at with a different company.

I call BS you are getting paid generational money to do any job in the company wants to assign and you don't like the job you are assigned you will want to leave? I will call any person a liar who says they would not do any job for $30 million a year.

If a company wants me to clean toilets in a clown costume for 8 hours a day for $30 million a year I ask were do I sign the deal.

[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by packman80

If a company wants me to clean toilets in a clown costume for 8 hours a day for $30 million a year I ask were do I sign the deal.

That's because you suck at baseball. Devers is very good at hitting, thus he has options. If he feels disrespected and jerked around, he doesn't have to "just suck it up". Some other team will gladly pay his contract and treat him better.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

That's because you suck at baseball. Devers is very good at hitting, thus he has options. If he feels disrespected and jerked around, he doesn't have to "just suck it up". Some other team will gladly pay his contract and treat him better.

Well he signed a deal to play for the Red Sox so yeah if he had not got traded he would have had to suck it up because otherwise they could have suspended him without pay. I would have laughed had the Red Sox done that to show Devers he has zero power and he does what he's told to get his paycheck.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Yesterday, it came out Devers is suffering from a disk injury in his lower back.

Is Breslow actually a genius?

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Yesterday, it came out Devers is suffering from a disk injury in his lower back.

Is Breslow actually a genius?

I'm not ready to go that far. And I don't wish ill on Devers, but it has been entertaining watching the whole Will Clark meltdown. Crazy how moving your best player can make your team a lot better. Good luck to SF with 8 more years of this.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I'm not ready to go that far. And I don't wish ill on Devers, but it has been entertaining watching the whole Will Clark meltdown. Crazy how moving your best player can make your team a lot better. Good luck to SF with 8 more years of this.

I'm in the same boat.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I really tried sticking with him through all this and tried to sympathize with point of view, but the Will Clark thing was too much. I think his hobby value will take a huge hit over the next few years unless something drastic happens. Who would be collecting this guy for fun at this point?

[seanbros55]

Sadly, I’m bringing most of my (quite large) graded collection to a Bay Area card show today.

[Cracktoast]

Not sure it happens this year but at some point I still say he ends up in Pinstripes it's really the only annual playoff contender who needs a big name 3B. He can't be worse defensively than A-Rod was.

[Lonewolf]

Oh look, Devers is still proving what he is, a selfish primadonna whose best years are behind him.