MLB Beat The Streak - there's a player currently with a 50 game hit streak

[corockies]

Not sure how many of you play this, but there's a player as of today who has an active 50 game hitting streak. I really hope they are able to get to 57 - this game has been around for years and no one has been able to do it.

$5.6 million prize if they can do it.

[redlegs]

I just saw that. I bet he's really nervous. I'm up to 18!

[boxbuster7]

I've been playing for years and never got higher than 19 I think

about time somebody won

[corockies]

Well that didn't last long - Jacob Wilson 0-4 tonight kills his streak at 50 =(

[SaveMeTheGum]

I had no idea this was still a thing! I think the highest I ever got to was like 12. 50 is insane.

[patchgenie]

Originally Posted by corockies

Well that didn't last long - Jacob Wilson 0-4 tonight kills his streak at 50 =(

better luck next time

[Americards]

Originally Posted by corockies

Well that didn't last long - Jacob Wilson 0-4 tonight kills his streak at 50 =(

if there was no one on base, Jacob Wilson would have gotten a hit...
https://www.mlb.com/athletics/video/...elder-s-choice

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Americards

if there was no one on base, Jacob Wilson would have gotten a hit...
https://www.mlb.com/athletics/video/...elder-s-choice

That should not be a fielder's choice. The fielder had no choice because Wilson was already safe at first. It shouldn't matter if it is a force out if the batter makes it safe at first before the out. I feel like the official scorer should be able to use their discretion in awarding a hit in that scenario.

[corockies]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I had no idea this was still a thing! I think the highest I ever got to was like 12. 50 is insane.

There have been 2 51 game streaks ever. It's kinda cool no one has ever been able to build a streak to beat DiMaggio. You'd think it would be doable, especially now that you can pick 2 players per day - that's choosing 2 players per day for a month and accurately predicting a hit from each player to win. You can also skip days and not lose your streak which is huge on days a lot of #1's are pitching. With the advanced analytics and right / left match ups, it seems like if you put enough effort into data you could pick players accurately and win this.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by corockies

There have been 2 51 game streaks ever. It's kinda cool no one has ever been able to build a streak to beat DiMaggio. You'd think it would be doable, especially now that you can pick 2 players per day - that's choosing 2 players per day for a month and accurately predicting a hit from each player to win. You can also skip days and not lose your streak which is huge on days a lot of #1's are pitching. With the advanced analytics and right / left match ups, it seems like if you put enough effort into data you could pick players accurately and win this.

No, it's way harder than that. Even if, between your two players, you could somehow ensure a 75% chance you got a hit every day (and I don't think anyone can get remotely close), your probability of reaching 57 would be 1 in 13,228,420.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by corockies

There have been 2 51 game streaks ever. It's kinda cool no one has ever been able to build a streak to beat DiMaggio. You'd think it would be doable, especially now that you can pick 2 players per day - that's choosing 2 players per day for a month and accurately predicting a hit from each player to win. You can also skip days and not lose your streak which is huge on days a lot of #1's are pitching. With the advanced analytics and right / left match ups, it seems like if you put enough effort into data you could pick players accurately and win this.

Agree with this.

Someone will take the time to do it.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That should not be a fielder's choice. The fielder had no choice because Wilson was already safe at first. It shouldn't matter if it is a force out if the batter makes it safe at first before the out. I feel like the official scorer should be able to use their discretion in awarding a hit in that scenario.

I'm confused on how it's still not a hit

Jacob Wilson hits it, runner is forced to advance, nobody catches it, they throw it out to second... is it because he didn't tag up? If he hit it, nobody catches it, and he ends up on base, how does that not count as a hit regardless of the force out?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I'm confused on how it's still not a hit

Jacob Wilson hits it, runner is forced to advance, nobody catches it, they throw it out to second... is it because he didn't tag up? If he hit it, nobody catches it, and he ends up on base, how does that not count as a hit regardless of the force out?

They called it a fielder's chocie. Just like if he hits a ground ball to the shortstop who flips to the 2nd baseman and gets the runner going to 2nd, but he beats out the double play and is safe at first. A fielder's choice is supposed to be when the fielder could have gotten the batter out with a normal play, but chose to get a different runner instead. In this case, the fielder could not have gotten Wilson out, so it should be a hit. I understand why they scored it a fielder's choice, since it was a force out at 2nd. But sometimes force outs can happen after the initial play was over (such as the batter safely reaching 1st). In those cases, the scorer should be able to award the hit.

[TBTC Baseball]

I always thought with a FC there was an assumption the batter would have been out, had the fielder not chosen to get the out at another base. Clearly with this, there is no way the fielder gets the batter out had they chose to throw to 1st.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

I always thought with a FC there was an assumption the batter would have been out, had the fielder not chosen to get the out at another base. Clearly with this, there is no way the fielder gets the batter out had they chose to throw to 1st.

I just read the official rule again. I now think this wasn't even a discretion situation. That should absolutley be a base hit.

https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/mlb/offic...ball-rules.pdf

FIELDER’S CHOICE is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter-runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner. The term is also used by scorers (a) to account for the advance of the batterrunner who takes one or more extra bases when the fielder who handles his safe hit attempts to put out a preceding runner; (b) to account for the advance of a runner (other than by stolen base or error) while a fielder is attempting to put out another runner; and (c) to account for the advance of a runner made solely because of the defensive team’s indifference (undefended steal).

[Gene]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Agree with this.

Someone will take the time to do it.

Come on. It's been running for 24 years and there's a $5.6 million prize; you think it's just a matter of someone trying hard enough?

[Gene]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That should absolutley be a base hit.

Why would it be a base hit? That's how that play is always scored. It was just a normal force out at best. The ball dropped and the runner got forced out at second; it's immaterial whether that was because of the runner's uncertainty or being very very very slow.

ETA: I misspoke about it not being a fielder's choice

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Gene

I'm not sure why they scored it a fielder's choice, but why would it be a base hit? That's how that play is always scored. It was just a normal force out at best. The ball dropped and the runner got forced out at second; it's immaterial whether that was because of the runner's uncertainty or being very very very slow.

If it's not a fielder's choice and it's not a base hit, what is it? "Force out" isn't an option for a result of the batter. It's a hit, error, or fielder's choice if the batter reaches base safely.

The batter hit a ball to the outfield and reached base safely with no error. That's a hit, by definition. The only argument that it's not a hit is that it's a fielder's choice. And I just posted the definition that a fielder's choice requires a grounder.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

If it's not a fielder's choice and it's not a base hit, what is it? "Force out" isn't an option for a result of the batter. It's a hit, error, or fielder's choice if the batter reaches base safely.

The batter hit a ball to the outfield and reached base safely with no error. That's a hit, by definition. The only argument that it's not a hit is that it's a fielder's choice. And I just posted the definition that a fielder's choice requires a grounder.

Yeah, I misspoke, it was a fielder's choice. But not a hit.

[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

If it's not a fielder's choice and it's not a base hit, what is it? "Force out" isn't an option for a result of the batter. It's a hit, error, or fielder's choice if the batter reaches base safely.

The batter hit a ball to the outfield and reached base safely with no error. That's a hit, by definition. The only argument that it's not a hit is that it's a fielder's choice. And I just posted the definition that a fielder's choice requires a grounder.

I totally missed the grounder part.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Gene

Come on. It's been running for 24 years and there's a $5.6 million prize; you think it's just a matter of someone trying hard enough?

has it actually been going on for that long?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Gene

Yeah, I misspoke, it was a fielder's choice. But not a hit.

How do you address that the rulebook says a fielder's choice is a grounder?

It was never intended for this situation where a base hit to the outfield resulted in a runner thrown out after the batter arrived safely at first.

The whole point of scoring a fielder's choice is that the batter would have been out but for the fielder choosing to put out another runner instead, hence the name. In this scenario, the fielder had no choice because the batter was safe at first on what would otherwise have been a clear base hit.

I liken it to when a scorer can grant a base hit even when a fielder makes an error if the scorer judges that the batter would have been safe anyway.

[patchgenie]

do u even watch baseball?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by patchgenie

do u even watch baseball?

Who are you talking to?

And how would you score the play, citing to the official rules?

[Gene]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

has it actually been going on for that long?

Believe it or not, yes - 2001 was the first season, with only a $100,000 prize that year.