2025 Series 2! Too Early To Talk About It??

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Yamamoto, Shota, and the SPs carried Series 2 last year. This year it's Sasaki and the SPs.

It's easy to look back now and compare, but PCA wasn't moving the needle at release last year

Yes, but PCA still had the pedigree to at least move the needle a bit.

Last year also had Jung Hoo, Caminero, Winn, Butler, and Kjerstad.

This year is Roki and then who? A utility guy for the Dodgers?

If the Series 1 Blacks aren't in this, this release is absolutely brutal and probably why Topps still hasn't posted a checklist.

[jduds]

I'm assuming All-Kings will be like All-Aces with hitters. If so, I'm certainly going to chase a few favorites. The only other card that is definitely going on my want list is the 1990 Sammy Sosa auto. I've pretty much sworn off wax, but now I make want lists of 0-10 for each product and then work on snagging them about a month after release. For this, I've got the 1990 Sosa auto, and Soto, Judge, Trout, Freeman All-Kings. I might try to snag an Ohtani if they aren't too crazy expensive.

[Tom789]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

Does anyone know if 6 jumbo boxes will come as a sealed case?

They always have for me, but I've ordered by the case. If you bought 6 boxes instead of a case, maybe not?

[mgugs46]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

Yes, but PCA still had the pedigree to at least move the needle a bit.

Last year also had Jung Hoo, Caminero, Winn, Butler, and Kjerstad.

This year is Roki and then who? A utility guy for the Dodgers?

If the Series 1 Blacks aren't in this, this release is absolutely brutal and probably why Topps still hasn't posted a checklist.

Jackson Jobe

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

Yes, but PCA still had the pedigree to at least move the needle a bit.

Last year also had Jung Hoo, Caminero, Winn, Butler, and Kjerstad.

This year is Roki and then who? A utility guy for the Dodgers?

If the Series 1 Blacks aren't in this, this release is absolutely brutal and probably why Topps still hasn't posted a checklist.

Topps can't create rookies with "pedigree." There simply werent that many great late call up rookies. And the opening day rookies are SPs, like last year.

Again, Series 2 is known for being the weakest.

[mgugs46]

Hoping the All Kings are as nice as S1 All Aces.

I picked up a case of jumbos on the pre-order

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Topps can't create rookies with "pedigree." There simply were that many great late call up rookies. And the opening day rookies are SPs, like last year.

Again, Series 2 is known for being the weakest.

What was preventing them from putting the guys on the SP list on the regular checklist?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

What was preventing them from putting the guys on the SP list on the regular checklist?

Same reason they put the Jacksons in as SPs last year.

Those SPs drive sales just as much, if you really want to talk about the RCs in the product. Holliday drove sales more that Shota did last year.

The reality is that last year's RC checklist in Series 2 was probably one of the strongest and not the norm

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Same reason they put the Jacksons in as SPs last year.

Those SPs drive sales just as much, if you really want to talk about the RCs in the product. Holliday drove sales more that Shota did last year.

I thought that was a cool touch. But you also had a pretty decent rookie class in Series 2 last year with the names I already mentioned.

This checklist is hot garbage for rookies. Anyone saying otherwise is just pretending. I ripped 6 cases of Series 1, have no reason to dump on Flagship, but this is trash.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

I thought that was a cool touch. But you also had a pretty decent rookie class in Series 2 last year with the names I already mentioned.

This checklist is hot garbage for rookies. Anyone saying otherwise is just pretending. I ripped 6 cases of Series 1, have no reason to dump on Flagship, but this is trash.

Nobody is trying to say this is a great class, so not sure who you are trying to fight with. And there's not some huge pool of guys they're withholding that would have made it better, based on how they've always done it. And they aren't going to ruin Update and Chrome Update to boost a Series 2 checklist

You need to realize 2024 was an outlier for Series 2. Go look at 2023 or 2022's checklist.

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Nobody is trying to say this is a great class, so not sure who you are trying to fight with. And there's not some huge pool of guys they're withholding that would have made it better, based on how they've always done it. And they aren't going to ruin Update and Chrome Update to boost a Series 2 checklist

You need to realize 2024 was an outlier for Series 2. Go look at 2023 or 2022's checklist.

2023 was pretty decent at the time. This is pretty close to 2022 level of bad. I really hope the Series 1 Blacks are in this like they said though. That would at least pump some life into this release.

[elektrokuter]

Originally Posted by mgugs46

Hoping the All Kings are as nice as S1 All Aces.

I picked up a case of jumbos on the pre-order

This is how basketball looks, which is the same as Aces- so I'm gonna guess it'll be the same for baseball. these are def nice looking cards.

[StlBen]

So whats up with the Cardinals getting a special auto set?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

2023 was pretty decent at the time. This is pretty close to 2022 level of bad. I really hope the Series 1 Blacks are in this like they said though. That would at least pump some life into this release.

So you add the three SPs to the base checklist, it's still not going to stack up to 2024, if that is your comparison. Look at the top prospect lists from 2024 and this year. Most of the top 50ish players either already have an RC or haven't been called up yet or weren't called until after the season started, which is sort of the cut off for Series 2.

Should they have held someone back from Series 1? Is there some player they left out (again, remember their past guidelines)? As I said before Series 2 is the scrap heap most of the time.

[bustsomewax]

Roki to IL. Even more headwinds for this.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

It does, but what were people expecting? Who’s a name you thought you would see on there? Series 2 never features the RCs of player who gets called up after the season starts.

Shaw
Sasaki
Cam Smith
Max Muncy (A's)
Campbell
Roden
Drake Baldwin

These guys were all on their repective teams Day 1. They should've made it to series 2. Just means Update will be loaded again!

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

What name do you feel is missing that should be in there? In-season call ups before mid May are for Update.

I believe May 31st is the cutoff for Update.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

I believe May 31st is the cutoff for Update.

It’s been much earlier the last few years. More like May 18th-19th. Adley debuted May 21st and missed the ‘22 Update cutoff. It’s a fuzzy line, but once it’s crossed, no player who debuts after it makes it in.

Eury Perez (May 18th, 2023) and Paul Skenes (May 19th, 2024), just barely snuck into their respective year’s Update Series. The cutoffs happened right after their debuts.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

Shaw
Sasaki
Cam Smith
Max Muncy (A's)
Campbell
Roden
Drake Baldwin

These guys were all on their repective teams Day 1. They should've made it to series 2. Just means Update will be loaded again!

Just making the team late in camp doesn’t get you into Series 2. See Witt and Julio as past examples. Even though we probably both agree that it should! Luis Robert signed an extension early into the camp and made ‘20 Series 2.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

Shaw
Sasaki
Cam Smith
Max Muncy (A's)
Campbell
Roden
Drake Baldwin

These guys were all on their repective teams Day 1. They should've made it to series 2. Just means Update will be loaded again!

Shaw , Smith and Campbell are in there just as SP's but they are still on the checklist.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Shaw , Smith and Campbell are in there just as SP's but they are still on the checklist.

Yeah but IMO they should've been regular cards in this set seeing they started with the team on Day 1. Now people have to rip a ton in order to find an SP. We know that's what Fanatics wants, but smart collectors are only buying singles of this set. Otherwise, Series 2 is a HARD PASS.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Just making the team late in camp doesn’t get you into Series 2. See Witt and Julio as past examples. Even though we probably both agree that it should! Luis Robert signed an extension early into the camp and made ‘20 Series 2.

Yeah I guess the cutoff date for each series is pretty arbitrary. I have been pretty much following the trend of Series 1 RC's are from June to August debuts from the year prior, Series 2 has the September call ups from the year prior plus the guys who debuted on Day 1 with their teams and Update consisting of the April and May call ups of the current year.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Nobody is trying to say this is a great class, so not sure who you are trying to fight with. And there's not some huge pool of guys they're withholding that would have made it better, based on how they've always done it. And they aren't going to ruin Update and Chrome Update to boost a Series 2 checklist

You need to realize 2024 was an outlier for Series 2. Go look at 2023 or 2022's checklist.

I would say 2023 S2 was also an outlier. It didn't rely on RC SP's and the rookie class was actually very strong when it came out. It's not remembered because aside from Carroll all of these guys fell off the face of the earth hobby wise.

Corbin Carroll
Anthony Volpe
Jordan Walker
Josh Jung
Yoshida, Outman, Senga, Alvarez.

I sold a Vople Fathers Day Blue for around $500 at release. I'd hate to know what it's worth now.

[RoyalsCollector]

All the people only interested in the rookie checklist are just flippers who don't even like cards, probably just live in a state that doesn't allow true gambling so this is the best way to get their fix.

Great release for true collectors. All Kings looks sick.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by RoyalsCollector

All the people only interested in the rookie checklist are just flippers who don't even like cards, probably just live in a state that doesn't allow true gambling so this is the best way to get their fix.

Great release for true collectors. All Kings looks sick.

True Collectors™