2025 NFL Draft

[blackvodka]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Pick#1- Should have gone Hunter, but Graham is a nice compliment to what they already have to really get after the QB

Pick#2-Dont know much about the LB they have

Pick#3- Judkins- a really nice tough RB to play old fashioned NFC North football

Pick#4- Fannin- a decnt TE that could do well

Pick#5- here is where they go off the rails- DILLON GABRIEL, WORST PICK OF THE DRAFT. Snagging this guy round 3 was idiotic. I can guarantee you that they could have gotten him 5th rd. This is the biggest reach for a QB I have seen in some time. And in the end, he's gonna battle against the 5th rounder Sanders for a job

Pick#6 Dylan Sampson. Why another RB here? You just took Judkins 2 picks ago

Pick#7 Sanders. This is the guy they really wanted, why not reach up and take him where you took Gabriel if you are gonna reach for a QB? They could have ultimately took Sanders here or Gabriel, and they reached here to get Sanders to snag him via trading up to ensure the Eagles didn't grab him.

The Browns simply do NOT know what they are doing. They now have 5 QBs on one team, and if you throw them in together, mix em all up, they likely do NOT have the future QB of the franchise on this team. I feel sorry for Browns fans, this organization is a joke

Gabriel going that high was probably the biggest reach since Christian Ponder.

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[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by blackvodka

Gabriel going that high was probably the biggest reach since Christian Ponder.

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That is when the train derailed. There is not an NFL team that would have taken Gabriel that high- anywhere close to that high, and he's likely not even gonna make the team

[oldgoldy97]

Gabriel was prime FA territory.

[SethMurphy]

I enjoy the Browns being in the NFL. They are the only team that can make my Giants look like they know what they are doing.

That said, I think Joe Schoen has now gone back to back monster drafts. Last season's draft early returns look great (Nabers, Dru Phillips, Nubin, Tyrone Tracy) and now this year he got amazing value at all picks (Carter, Dart a jump but necessary, Alexander at DT, Skattebo and Mbow).

We might be on to something

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Pick#1- Should have gone Hunter, but Graham is a nice compliment to what they already have to really get after the QB

Pick#2-Dont know much about the LB they have

Pick#3- Judkins- a really nice tough RB to play old fashioned NFC North football

Pick#4- Fannin- a decnt TE that could do well

Pick#5- here is where they go off the rails- DILLON GABRIEL, WORST PICK OF THE DRAFT. Snagging this guy round 3 was idiotic. I can guarantee you that they could have gotten him 5th rd. This is the biggest reach for a QB I have seen in some time. And in the end, he's gonna battle against the 5th rounder Sanders for a job

Pick#6 Dylan Sampson. Why another RB here? You just took Judkins 2 picks ago

Pick#7 Sanders. This is the guy they really wanted, why not reach up and take him where you took Gabriel if you are gonna reach for a QB? They could have ultimately took Sanders here or Gabriel, and they reached here to get Sanders to snag him via trading up to ensure the Eagles didn't grab him.

The Browns simply do NOT know what they are doing. They now have 5 QBs on one team, and if you throw them in together, mix em all up, they likely do NOT have the future QB of the franchise on this team. I feel sorry for Browns fans, this organization is a joke

And yet the Browns received the only A+ in Kiper's post-draft grades.

I get it, one man's opinion, blah blah blah, but he's also not the only one in the media touting this draft. You can feel how you want, but plenty feel differently.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

And yet the Browns received the only A+ in Kiper's post-draft grades.

I get it, one man's opinion, blah blah blah, but he's also not the only one in the media touting this draft. You can feel how you want, but plenty feel differently.

Kiper is/was obsessed with Sanders, that's why they got an A+. He had Sanders ranked as 5th OVERALL, which is laughable.

[oldgoldy97]

So the Browns won the second annual Detroit Lions paper preseason SB?

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

And yet the Browns received the only A+ in Kiper's post-draft grades.

I get it, one man's opinion, blah blah blah, but he's also not the only one in the media touting this draft. You can feel how you want, but plenty feel differently.

Oh. Mel Kiper is always right? LOL
He gave them an A for taking Sanders because he was so high on him.
Mel Kiper is like a weatherman that gets paid no matter what happens with his predictions.

Taking 2 RBS together and 2 QBS together, all within a handful of pics does not earn the Browns an A+ no matter what Mel Kiper says, and taking Gabriel in the 3rd rd when you could have gotten him 5th or after? Come on now

Read this informative article and check out how bad Kiper has been
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/6-t...234910899.html

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Oh. Mel Kiper is always right? LOL
He gave them an A for taking Sanders because he was so high on him.
Mel Kiper is like a weatherman that gets paid no matter what happens with his predictions.

Taking 2 RBS together and 2 QBS together, all within a handful of pics does not earn the Browns an A+ no matter what Mel Kiper says, and taking Gabriel in the 3rd rd when you could have gotten him 5th or after? Come on now

Read this informative article and check out how bad Kiper has been
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/6-t...234910899.html

I'm actually on the same page as you with this one...

I'm the first to admit that I really don't know which players are going to pan out and which won't, but I do know how to look at good organizations and see how they draft:

Teams like the Chiefs and Eagles use their picks to get specific types of players and fill specific needs. You step back from the draft, and suddenly it makes sense why they drafted the guys they did. Sometimes you wind up with Chris Jones, sometimes you wind up with Felix Anudike-Uzomah, but the blueprint for how they build their team in there.

The Browns look like they got off track, particularly with later picks, and just wound up with a bunch of guys thrown together, rather than a complete draft class.

[Archangel1775]

I didn't realize that Watson will start and likely end the season on the IR with an re-rupture of his previous Achilles injury. Makes sense to go two when you have Flacco and Pickett as your #1 and #2. Browns are probably done with Watson and Pickett on a 1 year. Make sense to draft the future and let the two young guns compete. They sell jerseys, tickets and the worst that happens is they lose a lot and get another top draft pick

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm actually on the same page as you with this one...

I'm the first to admit that I really don't know which players are going to pan out and which won't, but I do know how to look at good organizations and see how they draft:

Teams like the Chiefs and Eagles use their picks to get specific types of players and fill specific needs. You step back from the draft, and suddenly it makes sense why they drafted the guys they did. Sometimes you wind up with Chris Jones, sometimes you wind up with Felix Anudike-Uzomah, but the blueprint for how they build their team in there.

The Browns look like they got off track, particularly with later picks, and just wound up with a bunch of guys thrown together, rather than a complete draft class.

Outside of 2 QB’s how do you figure

Graham is an immediate starter

Chubb is gone. You needed at least 2 RB’s unless you still sign on in FA. Judkins and Sampson both make sense to pair with Ford. Again unless you bring someone else in (Dobbins?)

JOK is done. LB was a need

Njoku has a void year in 2026. There are no other TE’s on the roster. Fannin fits a need. It’s also another weapon

You could have obviously skipped on Gabriel and went WR or OT. That’s what everyone is talking about

Sanders is just a giant roll of the 5th round dice

You plugged very specific holes you have on the roster. You can’t fill them all. WR is obviously the biggest issue

Do you bring Cooper back?

Browns had a super solid draft ignoring the 2 QB’s which is the great debate obviously

It had very specific intent and purpose… against outside of the QB argument

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Outside of 2 QB’s how do you figure

Graham is an immediate starter

Chubb is gone. You needed at least 2 RB’s unless you still sign on in FA. Judkins and Sampson both make sense to pair with Ford. Again unless you bring someone else in (Dobbins?)

JOK is done. LB was a need

Njoku has a void year in 2026. There are no other TE’s on the roster. Fannin fits a need. It’s also another weapon

You could have obviously skipped on Gabriel and went WR or OT. That’s what everyone is talking about

Sanders is just a giant roll of the 5th round dice

You plugged very specific holes you have on the roster. You can’t fill them all. WR is obviously the biggest issue

Do you bring Cooper back?

Browns had a super solid draft ignoring the 2 QB’s which is the great debate obviously

It had very specific intent and purpose… against outside of the QB argument

My main concern is that we had all these draft assets and we didn't improve:

Offensive Tackle
Wide Receiver
Defensive End
Cornerback...

possibly QB.

And maybe I'll be wrong and one of the QBs will pan out and be the answer for the next decade then it was all worth it, but it just concerns me that a cash strapped team didnt use many picks to upgrade the most expensive positions to fill in free agency.

But again, maybe there's no way to avoid a bad year and this was 'the draft before the draft'

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by tjforce

My main concern is that we had all these draft assets and we didn't improve:

Offensive Tackle
Wide Receiver
Defensive End
Cornerback...

possibly QB.

And maybe I'll be wrong and one of the QBs will pan out and be the answer for the next decade then it was all worth it, but it just concerns me that a cash strapped team didnt use many picks to upgrade the most expensive positions to fill in free agency.

But again, maybe there's no way to avoid a bad year and this was 'the draft before the draft'

Cornerback? Defensive End? Those are luxury picks

I can’t take this serious if you think we “missed” on those positions. Those were the last things we needed

Carter would have been awesome simply based on skill set (I didn’t want him to be fair… he’s an undersized injury risk) but wasn’t a need. It’s why you don’t take Will Johnson at 33. CB isn’t a need at all without a trade of Newsome or Emerson

What OT would have taken that we missed after there was a run in the first round?

Wide Receiver was a miss

[asujbl]

[cavsfan70]

Browns drafted very well. It's been challenging to say that, like ever.

If one of the QBs doesn't work out? Two 1sts next season. Thanks Jags! We're hoping one of them does.

You take two rookie RBs to take pressure off whoever plays QB... Chubb isn't coming back unfortunately.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Thor Nystrom just throwing out lighting rods at front offices he doesn't agree with

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Oh. Mel Kiper is always right? LOL
He gave them an A for taking Sanders because he was so high on him.
Mel Kiper is like a weatherman that gets paid no matter what happens with his predictions.

Taking 2 RBS together and 2 QBS together, all within a handful of pics does not earn the Browns an A+ no matter what Mel Kiper says, and taking Gabriel in the 3rd rd when you could have gotten him 5th or after? Come on now

Read this informative article and check out how bad Kiper has been
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/6-t...234910899.html

Informative? It lists 6 picks over 40 years that he missed on. You've gotta do better than that.

I also said "And others". Thanks to ASU, we can see that 23 of 24 analysts gave the Browns an A or B, and one guy a C.

Draft grades aside, I can agree that Gabriel was a bad pick in that spot, but that doesn't destroy the entire draft. 2 RBs absolutely makes sense. Montgomery/Gibbs is working out pretty good in Detroit. With injuries being very common for backs, having two good ones should be a must for every team.

I have a feeling Gabriel is just bothering you enough that you don't care about the rest of the draft. That's fine. Again, you are entitled to feel that way.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Informative? It lists 6 picks over 40 years that he missed on. You've gotta do better than that.

I also said "And others". Thanks to ASU, we can see that 23 of 24 analysts gave the Browns an A or B, and one guy a C.

Draft grades aside, I can agree that Gabriel was a bad pick in that spot, but that doesn't destroy the entire draft. 2 RBs absolutely makes sense. Montgomery/Gibbs is working out pretty good in Detroit. With injuries being very common for backs, having two good ones should be a must for every team.

I have a feeling Gabriel is just bothering you enough that you don't care about the rest of the draft. That's fine. Again, you are entitled to feel that way.

Browns had a Top 10 draft this year. Everyone on planet earth agrees

It will only get better if Jacksonville sucks

If you disagree? You don’t know anything about Football

You’re too focused on Sanders and Gabriel because that’s as big as your brain is

Browns killed it this year. I’m very happy with what they did

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Browns had a Top 10 draft this year. Everyone on planet earth agrees

It will only get better if Jacksonville sucks

If you disagree? You don’t know anything about Football

You’re too focused on Sanders and Gabriel because that’s as big as your brain is

Browns killed it this year. I’m very happy with what they did

According to what you just posted, PFF doesn't agree.

Neither do:
NFL.com
Cleveland.com
CBS Sports
Bleacher Report
The Ringer
Yahoo Sports
US Today
FOX Sports
Kicker
CBS Sports
Roto World

[slyguy]

Who cares?

Post-draft eval is just like pre-draft predictions... nobody knows anything.

NFL is a huge team component and much to do with coaching and fit for each team's scheme and roster.

We will know soon enough.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Who cares?

Post-draft eval is just like pre-draft predictions... nobody knows anything.

NFL is a huge team component and much to do with coaching and fit for each team's scheme and roster.

We will know soon enough.

That's literally what I'm assessing.

Do I think Kansas City got all the best players? No.

Do I think they nailed their areas of need? Yes. If this draft sures up their left tackle, Pass rush, and receiver depth, then it's a home run. If the Browns draft sure up the middle of it's defense, running game, and QB depth, then there are still a ton of holes they didn't even address.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Who cares?

Post-draft eval is just like pre-draft predictions... nobody knows anything.

NFL is a huge team component and much to do with coaching and fit for each team's scheme and roster.

We will know soon enough.

I had no plan to discuss the draft for this reason, but of course I got sucked into it which is my own fault.

You've gotta understand what it's like to be a Browns fan. 15 minutes into the draft my Facebook feed was blowing up about how the Browns had already lost the draft by passing on the "can't miss, once in a generation" talent that Hunter is assumed to be. That poor guy could have a Puka Nacua type of rookie season and it wouldn't be good enough for some.

Then when the Browns failed to trade up to 32 to take Sanders, it was all complaints about how stupid they were to not trade up and get the 5th year option on Sanders.

Then when they failed to take Sanders at #33, things really got ugly.

By the time they actually took Sanders in the 5th, it was "typical Browns drafting some schmuck that 31 other teams passed on multiple times".

You can't make this stuff up.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I had no plan to discuss the draft for this reason, but of course I got sucked into it which is my own fault.

You've gotta understand what it's like to be a Browns fan. 15 minutes into the draft my Facebook feed was blowing up about how the Browns had already lost the draft by passing on the "can't miss, once in a generation" talent that Hunter is assumed to be. That poor guy could have a Puka Nacua type of rookie season and it wouldn't be good enough for some.

Then when the Browns failed to trade up to 32 to take Sanders, it was all complaints about how stupid they were to not trade up and get the 5th year option on Sanders.

Then when they failed to take Sanders at #33, things really got ugly.

By the time they actually took Sanders in the 5th, it was "typical Browns drafting some schmuck that 31 other teams passed on multiple times".

You can't make this stuff up.

In the past 25 years has there been a worse run NFL team. I wish the league had relegation as the Browns would be in Arena League II...

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

In the past 25 years has there been a worse run NFL team. I wish the league had relegation as the Browns would be in Arena League II...

The Cowboys and Falcons are runners up.

[kobebeast2020]

https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/sports...t-party-photo/

Manziel 2.0 this guy will be cut in the very near future