WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by packman80

Yeah the Punk crazies thinking Heyman was just going to get him added to the Cena vs Cody match was laughable.

In there minds main eventing night one does not count as main eventing and had to main event night 2 for the title for it to count. Also they thought Heyman must be HHH as he got to book the matches. If Heyman could just snap his fingers and make matches happen why would he have not just put Roman into that match?

WWE already has 2 triple threats for WM they were not going to add a 3rd but it seemed the Punk crazies could not accept rational thinking and thought to the last second the favor would add him to that match.

Now many are thinking Heyman screws both Roman and Punk and aligns himself with Rollins at WM.

Punk himself has basically said Night 1 doesn't count. It's a complete joke that Punk loses the Rumble, loses the Cahmber, loses to Rollins, yet still "main events" Mania. If there were 2 Nights starting 20 years ago Punk would already have 3 Night 1 main events. If Mania was still 1 Night he'd still have zero main events.

The Punk and not main eventing Mania was a huge story. They are just throwing it away on this match. They could still have this match but the Mania main event should have been saved for next year or even a year after that. At that point, it should be THE main event.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by duwal

That was so strange that Charlotte couldn't help but keep cracking up and smiling during the whole promo

That's her big tell when she's flustered and isn't getting the reaction she wants.

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Tiffy absolutely cooked and you could see that hurt Charlotte (she isn't nearly that good of an actor)

They both looked terrible. I feel bad for Charlotte because it's pretty clear this is personally hurting her, and her life is not in a great place. She was gone for a year. Barely been back on tv and has the most go away heat of in wrestling. This isn't Cena booing. It's not even Dominik Mysterio booing. It's please go away we don't want to see you ever again booing.

[packman80]

Ludwig Kaiser responds to Charlotte Flair claiming he's in her DM's with a gif of Shawn Michaels "Please Don't Flatter Yourself

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by packman80

Flair like her dad has to much pull backstage and politics to go over and bury younger talent as she thinks she should be on top of the mountain at all times.

What pull does she actually have? Was she in one of the rooms with Vince or something?

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by thenightman

What pull does she actually have? Was she in one of the rooms with Vince or something?

This has always been my question. Its wild how some think she has all this power. Hell it was said multiple times that she has pitched matches to lose but they dont go with her idea. And people won't admit it but she did help make Rhea a HUGE star when she put her over at Mania. And they also had the best match of the Mania weekend

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Jericho

This has always been my question. Its wild how some think she has all this power. Hell it was said multiple times that she has pitched matches to lose but they dont go with her idea. And people won't admit it but she did help make Rhea a HUGE star when she put her over at Mania. And they also had the best match of the Mania weekend

She's put on some decent matches, but she's a company creation. I'm fully bias here as I think her matches are mostly boring, I find her promos insufferable, and I think she's an insecure sociopath.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jericho

but she did help make Rhea a HUGE star when she put her over at Mania.

Rhea could've beaten anyone that night and she'd be just as big of a star today. Stop.

[mtr]

I'm expecting some shenanigans during the Dom/Penta match that lead to a fatal 4 way for Bron's belt at Mania. Could we somehow have Dom end up as the IC champ?

[Cracktoast]

Maybe it's the tin foil hat in me but I'm not 100% sold on the whole Kevin Owens has a career threatening injury and he may never wrestle again story they are trying to sell. His coming to the ring with a generic story and not a single tear or even coming close to crying just felt off to me for someone who may have their career taken away from them. Especially someone who supposedly loves the business as much as he says he does.

My guess is he needs a minor procedure that may keep him out a couple of months max. Would not surprise me one bit if he ends up attacking Orton at WM after his match to set up a match down the line maybe at MITB or Summer Slam. Big question is who does Orton wrestle now that makes sense for the whole storyline. Can't just be some random jobber like Carmelo or Escobar it needs to feel important.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Maybe it's the tin foil hat in me but I'm not 100% sold on the whole Kevin Owens has a career threatening injury and he may never wrestle again story they are trying to sell. His coming to the ring with a generic story and not a single tear or even coming close to crying just felt off to me for someone who may have their career taken away from them. Especially someone who supposedly loves the business as much as he says he does.

My guess is he needs a minor procedure that may keep him out a couple of months max. Would not surprise me one bit if he ends up attacking Orton at WM after his match to set up a match down the line maybe at MITB or Summer Slam. Big question is who does Orton wrestle now that makes sense for the whole storyline. Can't just be some random jobber like Carmelo or Escobar it needs to feel important.

It's the latter.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Maybe it's the tin foil hat in me but I'm not 100% sold on the whole Kevin Owens has a career threatening injury and he may never wrestle again story they are trying to sell. His coming to the ring with a generic story and not a single tear or even coming close to crying just felt off to me for someone who may have their career taken away from them. Especially someone who supposedly loves the business as much as he says he does.

My guess is he needs a minor procedure that may keep him out a couple of months max. Would not surprise me one bit if he ends up attacking Orton at WM after his match to set up a match down the line maybe at MITB or Summer Slam. Big question is who does Orton wrestle now that makes sense for the whole storyline. Can't just be some random jobber like Carmelo or Escobar it needs to feel important.

Rusev vs Orton. Orton wins after like 10 minutes. Orton doing his pose on the ropes after the match. Lights go out they come back on and Black is in the ring and attack Orton.

[JustinVerlander07]

Audible boos for Belair on entrance and the crowd adores Rhea. Sky still the afterthought (I suppose that's the story here, it's just not doing anything to help Sky)

[duwal]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Audible boos for Belair on entrance and the crowd adores Rhea. Sky still the afterthought (I suppose that's the story here, it's just not doing anything to help Sky)

yeah it seems like Sky and Seth are just there so that can advertise the Wrestlemania matches as a triple threat match

[packman80]

So will Heyman turn on Roman and Punk at WM and join Rollins as part of a favor Rollins claims he is owed?

Will Dom turn on Balor to win the IC title and kick him out of JD and start a program between the two?

[scfa1975]

Good job Adam Pearce...The "Representing Judgement Day" line and then the correction by Cole

[JustinVerlander07]

Rollins/Heyman segment fell flat to me. Rollins just isn't fitting in the story, this would be much better without him and just Roman vs Punk. Granted, Rollins never fits in any of this stuff.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Rollins/Heyman segment fell flat to me. Rollins just isn't fitting in the story, this would be much better without him and just Roman vs Punk. Granted, Rollins never fits in any of this stuff.

Can we officially call him a heel now?

Probably not until that frigging song goes away. So tired of it.

[Cracktoast]

WWE has turned into Hollywood in the fact they can't come up with fresh innovative ideas. They have no idea how to book right now so let's have 15 triple threat matches just to get as many people in a WM match as possible. And in the Reigns/Punk/Rollins thing why does everyone need a favor that they draw out wayyyy too long what the favor is? Hell I'm waiting on Reigns to come out on SD and do something meaningless and say he's owed a favor also.

Everyone want's to give HHH all this credit for being a great wrestling mind but the last 6-8 months have been some of the most boring and hard to watch shows to watch because the booking is so bad.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

WWE has turned into Hollywood in the fact they can't come up with fresh innovative ideas. They have no idea how to book right now so let's have 15 triple threat matches just to get as many people in a WM match as possible. And in the Reigns/Punk/Rollins thing why does everyone need a favor that they draw out wayyyy too long what the favor is? Hell I'm waiting on Reigns to come out on SD and do something meaningless and say he's owed a favor also.

Everyone want's to give HHH all this credit for being a great wrestling mind but the last 6-8 months have been some of the most boring and hard to watch shows to watch because the booking is so bad.

Wrestling has almost always been recycled ideas. The Punk favor thing was a well done story I think given this goes back to November and fits the story. Again, Rollins doesn't fit into this. Triple H's favorite pet project for a decade plus has been getting Rollins into matches/storylines he doesn't belong in. A fine lower main event player, but he's not nor has he ever been on the level of a Cena/Reigns/Punk/Cody etc. He's just not it.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Wrestling has almost always been recycled ideas. The Punk favor thing was a well done story I think given this goes back to November and fits the story. Again, Rollins doesn't fit into this. Triple H's favorite pet project for a decade plus has been getting Rollins into matches/storylines he doesn't belong in. A fine lower main event player, but he's not nor has he ever been on the level of a Cena/Reigns/Punk/Cody etc. He's just not it.

The Punk favor foreshadowing goes even further back than November. March of 2023, Cody cut a promo saying that Roman was going to lose everything, including Paul turning back into an advocate instead of the wise man.

I don't think the Punk/Reigns storyline ends at WM. The favor of Heyman being in Punk's corner isn't the end of the story. I think it leads to a 1v1 match for Heyman.

That story doesn't bother me. Rollins being added is fine in my book, as all three have history together. But I do agree with cracktoast about HHH having some real misses recently, especially in this lead up to WM.

[marl1220]

I don't get why so many people act like Rollins pissed in their cornflakes. God knows he moves better, and is better in the ring, than Punk. But everybody looooves Punk's attitude.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

WWE has turned into Hollywood in the fact they can't come up with fresh innovative ideas. They have no idea how to book right now so let's have 15 triple threat matches just to get as many people in a WM match as possible. And in the Reigns/Punk/Rollins thing why does everyone need a favor that they draw out wayyyy too long what the favor is? Hell I'm waiting on Reigns to come out on SD and do something meaningless and say he's owed a favor also.

Everyone want's to give HHH all this credit for being a great wrestling mind but the last 6-8 months have been some of the most boring and hard to watch shows to watch because the booking is so bad.

Compared to AEW and the Mox/Death Rider crap WWE storylines are pure gold.

[mtr]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Rollins/Heyman segment fell flat to me. Rollins just isn't fitting in the story, this would be much better without him and just Roman vs Punk. Granted, Rollins never fits in any of this stuff.

Rollins is definitely feeling like the third wheel in this program. Punk vs Roman is the money match in my opinion but I feel like any combination of these three in a one on one feud would be way more interesting than the triple threat.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I don't get why so many people act like Rollins pissed in their cornflakes. God knows he moves better, and is better in the ring, than Punk. But everybody looooves Punk's attitude.

Speaking for myself, I can watch any organization on earth and get a great match, if I wanted to just watch that I would watch some Indy company for great matches, the stories, charisma, mic skills etc all matter. Punk is tier A at that stuff. Rollins has simply been overpushed for a very long time. Sure he can put a great match on, so can TONS of people. I have a hard time connecting with his 'character' (whatever it is) and being invested in his stories.

Originally Posted by mtr

Rollins is definitely feeling like the third wheel in this program. Punk vs Roman is the money match in my opinion but I feel like any combination of these three in a one on one feud would be way more interesting than the triple threat.

Totally agree. Rollins vs Reigns would be great. Punk vs Rollins would be great. Punk vs Roman is a massive money match. The three of them together has Rollins looking like the mens version of Iyo Sky so far.

[mtr]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Totally agree. Rollins vs Reigns would be great. Punk vs Rollins would be great. Punk vs Roman is a massive money match. The three of them together has Rollins looking like the mens version of Iyo Sky so far.

I'm enjoying the underdog champ angle from Iyo but the build for this match has been awkward due to Rhea acting like a heel and the crowd refusing to boo her. I'm expecting the actual match to be a banger though.