2025 Topps Heritage... - Page 2

dantheman514 · 03-31-2025, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Not a bubble. Fanatics doing stupid things doesn’t mean it’s not a success. They made changes because they want more of the money. They have been working hard to screw everyone except themselves. Mission accomplished.

For resellers it is the easiest product to turn a profit on every year. And it’s one of the only sets people still actually build every year.

This is exactly what every business does. I don't understand why people would think Topps, Fanatics, Panini, Upper Deck, etc. would be any different.

auctionjmm · 03-31-2025, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bub838

odds https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...f?v=1743199939

Well based on these, looks to be the same 3 autos per case. Probably not a good thing with the checklist being so large. 7-9 autos per case like HHN might have been okay.

jduds · 03-31-2025, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Dying brand? Aside than Flagship and Bowman, it’s the only brand that has sold strong year after year for almost a quarter of a century.

It hasn't sold well recently though. It's one of a very few products to get heavily discounted within a year or two of its release. 2024 Heritage didn't dip at least, but it still is available close to release price which is not the norm for 2024 products. 2021-2023 have all been available at big discounts in a market where discounts for wax are rare. Heritage blasters routinely get the clearance treatment and that's the only baseball product I can say that about. It's a product also going into a run of less popular designs, so changes seemed inevitable.

Jaypers · 03-31-2025, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerfan74

Roki has a card. Why doesn’t it have RC label?

It does. "RC" is found after his name.

ScooterD · 03-31-2025, 10:58 AM

The Roki card with RC was printed before his MLB debut, but distributed after.

It appears that the RC rules are different for the foreign league transfers - Ohtani had cards with the logo released before his debut. Can someone who understands the legalities behind these things explain what allows this to happen?

rudan007 · 03-31-2025, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bub838

odds https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...f?v=1743199939

How many parallels do we really need? I stopped counting after 20......

Cracktoast · 03-31-2025, 11:20 AM

yeah could care less about color variations for every single thing. I get ok have Red,Gold, Blue, Green, Black and Gold for paper base and Chrome but that's it. Also maybe I have just never paid attention but have the SP's always had Flip Stock and Color Variations outside of the Purple Hotbox?

mfisher27 · 03-31-2025, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

The Roki card with RC was printed before his MLB debut, but distributed after.

It appears that the RC rules are different for the foreign league transfers - Ohtani had cards with the logo released before his debut. Can someone who understands the legalities behind these things explain what allows this to happen?

I think it's similar to Ohtani where they had a Major League Contract signed and were part of MLBPA and/or 40 man roster (not sure which was more important). It was something along those lines. Like how Luis Robert had a RC in 2020 Topps Opening Day, which was released before the start of the season. He had signed a Major League Contract earlier.

mfisher27 · 03-31-2025, 11:45 AM

I'm on the fence about the Chrome checklist expanding to the whole 500 cards but I think the biggest change is going back to 401 - 500 as the SPs.

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF MAKING 1-100 THE SPS IN 2024 TOPPS HERITAGE THEN?!?!

TimBuckTwo · 03-31-2025, 12:08 PM

This is going to be a great set full of good stuff.

I will let you guys know when i pull the George Washington cut autograph.

mfw13 · 03-31-2025, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bub838

odds https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/06...f?v=1743199939

Biggest change that I can see is that SP's are now 1:4 in hobby (instead of the usual 1:3)....so you're going to get only 72 SP's in a hobby case instead of 96!

Won't even be able to come close to a master set from a case!

Nester99 · 03-31-2025, 12:53 PM

Let’s hope these are on card !!

Nice improvement

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Natsfan32 · 03-31-2025, 02:47 PM

My guess is that they will be priced similar to 2024 Heritage High. Just hope they have fixed their computer problem.

scotchtape0 · 03-31-2025, 02:50 PM

Looks like auto odds are back down to normal, falling about 3 per case on average.

jduds · 03-31-2025, 02:58 PM

I generally join with the ambivalence towards the explosion of parallels, but I definitely see myself chasing the Bicentennial parallels.

nick7777 · 03-31-2025, 03:00 PM

Random question for the group. Do you think Topps will ever "reset" the year on Heritage or the 35th anniversary retro cards on the flagship? For example, in 7 years, we'll be at 1983 for Heritage which was the first year they did the 35th anniversary set in 2018. And in flagship, we're headed towards some really ugly designs (much of the 1990s was pretty bad design-wise, with maybe just a few decent ones, and 1998-2000 were truly terrible!). Anyway, I think we're like 7-8 years away on both sets from being in a weird place (back at 1983 for Heritage; at 1998 for flagship).

Obviously any answers here are total speculation -- so I guess mostly curious what people want to have happen?

rudan007 · 03-31-2025, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nick7777

Random question for the group. Do you think Topps will ever "reset" the year on Heritage or the 35th anniversary retro cards on the flagship? For example, in 7 years, we'll be at 1983 for Heritage which was the first year they did the 35th anniversary set in 2018. And in flagship, we're headed towards some really ugly designs (much of the 1990s was pretty bad design-wise, with maybe just a few decent ones, and 1998-2000 were truly terrible!). Anyway, I think we're like 7-8 years away on both sets from being in a weird place (back at 1983 for Heritage; at 1998 for flagship).

Obviously any answers here are total speculation -- so I guess mostly curious what people want to have happen?

I could see the 35th anniversary concept dying off in a few years(maybe after '95 Topps). Platinum Anniversary was a bit of a reset but looks like Topps killed it. Heritage could easily live on, as long as Topps manages to not ruin it more and more each year.

The 35th anniversary concept has been nice. Especially when used right(using that eras players). The only product that plays out the design catalog is Archives. That set should have been canceled over Platinum Anniversary in my opinion.

mikejones · 03-31-2025, 03:58 PM

So about 17,600 cases produced?

Natsfan32 · 03-31-2025, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=rudan007;19862669 Platinum Anniversary was a bit of a reset but looks like Topps killed it. [/QUOTE]

Why do you believe it was killed? I heard the same comments about 2024 Heritage High and 2025 Heritage. Topps just seem slow to announce new releases.

PumpnDumpling · 03-31-2025, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nester99

Let’s hope these are on card !!

Nice improvement

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Dude! I have been hype on THC-A 4EVA

mfisher27 · 03-31-2025, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

So about 17,600 cases produced?

Of hobby or total?

I didn't get that many hobby cases.

I got anywhere from 7,350 - 8,800 based on cut autos and non high number flip stock odds.

rudan007 · 03-31-2025, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Natsfan32

Why do you believe it was killed? I heard the same comments about 2024 Heritage High and 2025 Heritage. Topps just seem slow to announce new releases.

Just haven't heard anything about it. I guess there is still chance, '23 was released in May of '24. Topps keeps getting later with their release so who knows.....

DarcyWinston · 03-31-2025, 04:30 PM

So news and baseball flashbacks, then and now, and new age performers all gone?

mikejones · 03-31-2025, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mfisher27

Of hobby or total?

I didn't get that many hobby cases.

I got anywhere from 7,350 - 8,800 based on cut autos and non high number flip stock odds.

I used baseball cut and celebrity cut. Odds per pack comes out to about 5,000,000 packs. 5,000,000÷24=208,333 boxes ÷12=17,361 cases.

For hobby cases. Doesn't account for retail.

msw1984 · 03-31-2025, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

I used baseball cut and celebrity cut. Odds per pack comes out to about 5,000,000 packs. 5,000,000÷24=208,333 boxes ÷12=17,361 cases.

For hobby cases. Doesn't account for retail.

You're double counting...

Work backwards from your roughly 5,000,000 packs...

Celebrity Cut Autos are 1:844,841. There are only 3 of them.

5,000,000/844,841 = ~6

Do you see the problem with your calculations?

I got:

- Flip Stock /5: 1:1,059 hobby packs
- 500 cards in the checklist
- 1,059x5x500 = 2,647,500 hobby packs
- 2,647,500/24 = 110,312.5 hobby boxes
- 110,312.5/12 = ~9,193 hobby cases

03-31-2025, 11:45 AM	#34
mfisher27 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North Canton, OH Posts: 5,468 mfisher27	I'm on the fence about the Chrome checklist expanding to the whole 500 cards but I think the biggest change is going back to 401 - 500 as the SPs. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF MAKING 1-100 THE SPS IN 2024 TOPPS HERITAGE THEN?!?! __________________ It’s prolly a 70/49 split. -Mike TheCleaner

03-31-2025, 02:50 PM	#39
scotchtape0 Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 419 alehsportscards	Looks like auto odds are back down to normal, falling about 3 per case on average. __________________ MY COLLECTION: https://www.instagram.com/alehsportscards/

03-31-2025, 03:58 PM	#43
mikejones Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: fresno Posts: 5,018	So about 17,600 cases produced? __________________ Why the hell are you buying Siemian stuff. Dude is done, can't you tell I'm trying to get rid of him because he'll never be our starting QB again....

03-31-2025, 10:58 AM	#30
ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,218	The Roki card with RC was printed before his MLB debut, but distributed after. It appears that the RC rules are different for the foreign league transfers - Ohtani had cards with the logo released before his debut. Can someone who understands the legalities behind these things explain what allows this to happen?

03-31-2025, 11:20 AM	#32
Cracktoast Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,601	yeah could care less about color variations for every single thing. I get ok have Red,Gold, Blue, Green, Black and Gold for paper base and Chrome but that's it. Also maybe I have just never paid attention but have the SP's always had Flip Stock and Color Variations outside of the Purple Hotbox?

03-31-2025, 12:08 PM	#35
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,041	This is going to be a great set full of good stuff. I will let you guys know when i pull the George Washington cut autograph.

03-31-2025, 12:53 PM	#37
Nester99 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 780	Let’s hope these are on card !! Nice improvement Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-31-2025, 02:47 PM	#38
Natsfan32 Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 162	My guess is that they will be priced similar to 2024 Heritage High. Just hope they have fixed their computer problem.

03-31-2025, 02:58 PM	#40
jduds Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 3,784 chilaw57	I generally join with the ambivalence towards the explosion of parallels, but I definitely see myself chasing the Bicentennial parallels.

03-31-2025, 03:00 PM	#41
nick7777 Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 7	Random question for the group. Do you think Topps will ever "reset" the year on Heritage or the 35th anniversary retro cards on the flagship? For example, in 7 years, we'll be at 1983 for Heritage which was the first year they did the 35th anniversary set in 2018. And in flagship, we're headed towards some really ugly designs (much of the 1990s was pretty bad design-wise, with maybe just a few decent ones, and 1998-2000 were truly terrible!). Anyway, I think we're like 7-8 years away on both sets from being in a weird place (back at 1983 for Heritage; at 1998 for flagship). Obviously any answers here are total speculation -- so I guess mostly curious what people want to have happen?

03-31-2025, 04:02 PM	#44
Natsfan32 Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 162	[QUOTE=rudan007;19862669 Platinum Anniversary was a bit of a reset but looks like Topps killed it. [/QUOTE] Why do you believe it was killed? I heard the same comments about 2024 Heritage High and 2025 Heritage. Topps just seem slow to announce new releases.

03-31-2025, 04:30 PM	#48
DarcyWinston Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Lone star state Posts: 390	So news and baseball flashbacks, then and now, and new age performers all gone?