2024-25 NBA MVP Thread

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I guess but he still deserves it unlike embiid for example

Led his team to more wins, east player of the month 3 out of 5 months, 1st team all nba, top 10 dpoy, averaging 33/10/4. Jokic's stats were down from his previous 2 mvp seasons. I think it was fair, voting wasn’t close. I think Gianni’s had more of an argument than jokic. 31/12/6 1st team all nba, 6th dpoy, best record in the league.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

Alright, Ninja, how much do you have wagered on the SGA mvp? Gotta be some as I haven’t seen you this adamant in a while!

I don’t have a pony in this race but I think it’s closer than you think. SGA has it all over Joker on defense, no denying it. But the on/off court numbers for Joker are ridiculous. Denver would be a lottery team without him.

I don't think my voiced statements on a kard forum does much to sway the will of the professional voters either way. Smart money (my money included) should never operate on personal bias or homerisms, but rather factual data and who you actually believe will win...not what your heart says.

Currently Shay Shay is averaging out as a 7 to 1 fave. Essentially the same odds as an OKC pregame ML vs. the Wizards. If you think that's 'close,' then more power to you. If I had ANY remote inkling that this was a close race, I'd have already placed at least 10k down on big serb for a potential 5:1 back on my money. Why wouldn't I, and why shouldn't you? Life on EZ mode should never be a bad thing.


Speaking of which, I don't believe getting swept in the season series vs. the league's cucking bag bolsters Yoker's argument any.



Defense is not a heavily weighted category in MVP voting, but it's certainly a point of consideration especially if arguing similar offensive prowess. And it automatically factors its way into weighted statistical categories such as +/- (for which SGA is leading and crushing the field) and net rating (also which SGA leads).


SGA's regular season both offensively and defensively is trending amongst MJ's peak years.


See ya'll when he hoists the trophy in April. Will be fun to revisit the 'robbery' excuses then.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I don't think my voiced statements on a kard forum does much to sway the will of the professional voters either way. Smart money (my money included) should never operate on personal bias or homerisms, but rather factual data and who you actually believe will win...not what your heart says.

Currently Shay Shay is averaging out as a 7 to 1 fave. Essentially the same odds as an OKC pregame ML vs. the Wizards. If you think that's 'close,' then more power to you. If I had ANY remote inkling that this was a close race, I'd have already placed at least 10k down on big serb for a potential 5:1 back on my money. Why wouldn't I, and why shouldn't you? Life on EZ mode should never be a bad thing.


Speaking of which, I don't believe getting swept in the season series vs. the league's cucking bag bolsters Yoker's argument any.



Defense is not a heavily weighted category in MVP voting, but it's certainly a point of consideration especially if arguing similar offensive prowess. And it automatically factors its way into weighted statistical categories such as +/- (for which SGA is leading and crushing the field) and net rating (also which SGA leads).


SGA's regular season both offensively and defensively is trending amongst MJ's peak years.


See ya'll when he hoists the trophy in April. Will be fun to revisit the 'robbery' excuses then.

So how much?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by kipgen

So how much?

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by kipgen

The main thing this reminds me of is D Rose's 2010 MVP, in which he won it not because he was superior statistically to Lebron, but because they were close enough in a statistical sense that D Rose's significance to the league and the Bulls was enough for voters to give him the edge on a narrative basis

lebron also won 4 mvps in 5 years

would've been 5 in a row if it weren't for that one rose mvp

[Sticks33]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I don't think my voiced statements on a kard forum does much to sway the will of the professional voters either way. Smart money (my money included) should never operate on personal bias or homerisms, but rather factual data and who you actually believe will win...not what your heart says.

Currently Shay Shay is averaging out as a 7 to 1 fave. Essentially the same odds as an OKC pregame ML vs. the Wizards. If you think that's 'close,' then more power to you. If I had ANY remote inkling that this was a close race, I'd have already placed at least 10k down on big serb for a potential 5:1 back on my money. Why wouldn't I, and why shouldn't you? Life on EZ mode should never be a bad thing.


Speaking of which, I don't believe getting swept in the season series vs. the league's cucking bag bolsters Yoker's argument any.



Defense is not a heavily weighted category in MVP voting, but it's certainly a point of consideration especially if arguing similar offensive prowess. And it automatically factors its way into weighted statistical categories such as +/- (for which SGA is leading and crushing the field) and net rating (also which SGA leads).


SGA's regular season both offensively and defensively is trending amongst MJ's peak years.


See ya'll when he hoists the trophy in April. Will be fun to revisit the 'robbery' excuses then.

Again, I don’t have a pony in this race. I’m simply saying it’s a closer race than you make it out to be.

I don’t think they’ll be any need for “excuses” unless SGA loses.

I guess I’m one of the few on here who think that SGA will win but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Joker.

I know it’s the internet, but it really IS ok to think both are having great years. I know, I know, that’s not click-baity enough.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

Again, I don’t have a pony in this race. I’m simply saying it’s a closer race than you make it out to be.

I don’t think they’ll be any need for “excuses” unless SGA loses.

I guess I’m one of the few on here who think that SGA will win but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Joker.

I know it’s the internet, but it really IS ok to think both are having great years. I know, I know, that’s not click-baity enough.

I think you have me confused for superfan Daeve, who pretty much discredits anything SGA related and insists it must be a 'DEI' initiative.

I've reiterated several times that Joker's having a tremendous year. He's still the best player in the game. But best player =/ player having the best season.

No excuses from me either way. I think the current odds speak for itself, but people can create their own alternate reality if need be. Embum was a -300 when he won. Shai is currently more than double that.

But ok.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

Again, I don’t have a pony in this race. I’m simply saying it’s a closer race than you make it out to be.

I don’t think they’ll be any need for “excuses” unless SGA loses.

I guess I’m one of the few on here who think that SGA will win but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Joker.

I know it’s the internet, but it really IS ok to think both are having great years. I know, I know, that’s not click-baity enough.

Don't bother, SGA is clearly 10x the player Jokic is. The betting odds say so.

Just don't ask him how much he bet, he'll play stupid and act like he doesn't know what you're asking him

[ninjacookies]

I have 15k on the line, if that pleases the resident pocket watchers. That's only a 5 unit bet, so it's not going to alter my life significantly either way. And these have been layered in since New Years, so I have pretty favorable odds.


But hey. If it's so close, why don't you guys put some chips in? Or does thy faith waiver?

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think you have me confused for superfan Daeve, who pretty much discredits anything SGA related and insists it must be a 'DEI' initiative.

I've reiterated several times that Joker's having a tremendous year. He's still the best player in the game. But best player =/ player having the best season.

No excuses from me either way. I think the current odds speak for itself, but people can create their own alternate reality if need be. Embum was a -300 when he won. Shai is currently more than double that.

But ok.

lol

I mean jokic injured elbow and knee - Shai is a lock at this point imo

[ninjacookies]

A great sigh of relief. On this glorious eve, Yokic maximalists can finally stop living the 4 month lie and gain the closure they truly deserve.


Though coming on the heels of watching the Midrange Merchant inch closer to hoisting the O' Brien, I fully understand and empathize with your position.



Chin up. It gets better.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

A great sigh of relief. On this glorious eve, Yokic maximalists can finally stop living the 4 month lie and gain the closure they truly deserve.


Though coming on the heels of watching the Midrange Merchant inch closer to hoisting the O' Brien, I fully understand and empathize with your position.



Chin up. It gets better.

Finally... After all these year....



You and I find some common ground on something.


(Also, I'm Arnold, because he makes it and Carl Weathers character doesn't.
But I digress)

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Finally... After all these year....



You and I find some common ground on something.


(Also, I'm Arnold, because he makes it and Carl Weathers character doesn't.
But I digress)

Hey now. We were always eye-to-eye on Lululemon. Defensive black holes have a way of unifying all walks of life.




(Weathers would only be logical and an honor, as I represent the dark side of hood hobby politics. Bury me a G)

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Hey now. We were always eye-to-eye on Lululemon. Defensive black holes have a way of unifying all walks of life.




(Weathers would only be logical and an honor, as I represent the dark side of hood hobby politics. Bury me a G)

Wait a second....

SGA > Jokic '25
Lulu-burger
Mutual respect for Carl Weathers....

We may have more in common than once thought:

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

We may have more in common than once thought:

Relevant. At the end of the day, we both prosper.

[Zedlaw]

Wow, everyone had the same ballot. I can’t remember there being such a consensus one through five.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Relevant. At the end of the day, we both prosper.

Me holding all this 2018 wax for all that Luka/Trae..... errrr... SGA/Brunson.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

for all that Luka/Trae..... errrr... SGA/Brunson.

Denverites' 9/11:




Only 71 of a possible 100 first place votes. Indeed closer than most people thought.




Gurllll...pages 6 through 9 are must-read material.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Gurllll...pages 6 through 9 are must-read material.

We shoulda just end the thread right here on Dec 28th. SGA had it in the bag.

Originally Posted by tjforce

SGA the current leader in Basketball Reference MVP tracker....

Cavs players in spots 7-10, with Evan Mobley 7th.

Evan Mobley ended up finishing 7th in the tracker as well, but 9th in voting. He should have ended up being voted higher.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

We shoulda just end the thread right here on Dec 28th. SGA had it in the bag.




Evan Mobley ended up finishing 7th in the tracker as well, but 9th in voting. He should have ended up being voted higher.

Started my degen wager layering circa new years. Never a doubt.


At the end of the day, Eurocentric dominance will continue and all ethno-bodytypes embraced.





The league is in a good place.

[yiguiri2002]

What happened to OP? The dude was here all day every day and now he's silent

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Shai was robbed last season. It won't happen again

Tickets please

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Started my degen wager layering circa new years. Never a doubt.


At the end of the day, Eurocentric dominance will continue and all ethno-bodytypes embraced.





The league is in a good place.

Giving new meaning to the word full.

[ninjacookies]

BO's 9/11.








Helluva run for the Canadian mandem.