In 20 years, what will be the BIG cards to have?

[ninjabum87]

Id agree with Nomad. Nobody cares about cosmic and futura was only around for two years.

Even so, futura /25-
2015- 15
2016- 16

The demand for random numbered prizms is always much higher than any of the other parallels from Revolution. Galactics are literally the only chase cards in those releases. Beckett had 3 lebron cosmics graded in 2020. PSA just had 27. They had 7 lavas. So 70% of the print run of the /10 and 30% of the PR of the cosmic /100. People don't care to grade those as much.

Not sure why you seem so hung up on trying to pretend these have triple digit print runs. A core group of us have been watching auctions on these almost daily for 8 or 9 years now. I'd be absolutely shocked if the actual print runs for them ever came near 40. 10-15 is my gut vibe for 2015 and the rest depending on the year a ballpark range of 15 absolute lowest end and 30/35 absolute highest range.

Anybody thinking 50, 75, 100 is patently insane. 2018 and 2019 these were one of the IT hype cards to "invest" in. They were reaching new highs constantly so people graded as many as they could find. To never even crack 30 between all the regrades and company swaps even in its highest year should tell you something.

[Nomad]

Which leads us to the inevitable discussion on CK Level IV.

[kipgen]

People do like Cosmic, just the one out of Select and not Revolution lol

[Nomad]

Cosmic Select is a severely underrated look.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by kipgen

People do like Cosmic, just the one out of Select and not Revolution lol

I actually do like Cosmic parallels from Revolution. I have Jokic and Luka rookie year Cosmics

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Which leads us to the inevitable discussion on CK Level IV.

I'm a big court kings level 4 fan but they are somewhat difficult to evaluate because they're for rookies only and relatively new so none of the GOAT tier players of the current era (lebron, steph, curry, etc)

However the ones for the big players that do exist like Giannis and Luka do very well (and a Shai one hasn't sold recently but if it did come up would probably go for a lot as well)

[ninjabum87]

I also think cosmic slaps as a pattern, I just don't think the logic tracks that people are going to submit a thousand+ dollar card at the same rate theyre gonna submit a 10-50 dollar card.

Even cubics /50 (which I'd assume suffer from the same problem) have higher grade counts-

2017- 30
2018- 36
2019- 30

Compare those to those total bgs+psa pops for galactic those years-
2017 20
2018 27
2019 18

Galactics are lower, in some cases by 33-40%.

Even if they were graded at the same frequency, if you exteapolate those out of 50 thats 33 and 30 print run.

Which if you wanna call it quits there then that's fine, but I feel like the cubics and cosmics are graded less frequently. Enough there for me to say "yeah 25 feels about right". 25 or 30, splitting hairs at this point.

[Nomad]

Literally just listing off the remaining unobtainium on the Nesmith list. Oh Galactics and level IVs have appeared before, for well under a hundo, but I wasn't aware of their real rarity or hierarchy value at the time. Meanwhile I was purchasing Hoops Holiday Sweaters. Doh!

[TSonn]

So if we are arguing that Galactics may have a PR of 30 instead of 25? OK.

But there's no chance the PR is close to 100.

Go on ebay and try to find a LeBron base galactic for sale from the past 3-4 years. Then compare to how many cosmics you find of those years. Then compare with how many Prizm purple /99 you find.

Share the results!

[r338]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Compare those to those total bgs+psa pops for galactic those years-
2017 20
2018 27
2019 18


.

So you are guessing print runs of 25 or 30 based on the above graded population?

That’s the unfortunate thing about Galactics (or DTs or CBs or Kabooms) not having serial numbers. You can say they have print runs of 13. It would be baseless conjecture and likely incorrect, but we do not have any way to actually refute it. But 25 print run completely does not make sense to me here, in light of these graded numbers.

[ninjabum87]

There are mojo /25 pop counts of 23, 30, and 24.

Not sure whats so outlandish in the pervasive landscape of cracking and regrading to see counts of 20, 27, and 18 for a HEAVILY hyped card during those years with a print run of 25-30. Especially given the heaviest year was a Luka/Shai/Trae year. Would not surprise me if most if not all of them were found.

Cubics and cosmics are not graded as often and galactics STILL have a much lower pop count than cubic /50 which was within your goalpost of "different parallel from same set"

How does Mojo having years of 90+% slab counts or even above 100% slab counts make sense to you? And yet there it is plain as day a /25 numbered card with basically at or above print run pop counts for some years.

[r338]

Originally Posted by TSonn

So if we are arguing that Galactics may have a PR of 30 instead of 25? OK.

But there's no chance the PR is close to 100.

Go on ebay and try to find a LeBron base galactic for sale from the past 3-4 years. Then compare to how many cosmics you find of those years. Then compare with how many Prizm purple /99 you find.

Share the results!

I was unable to search eBay because there are too many purple prizm variations across all products. Here are the number of sales from PWCC/Fanatics since March 2020.

GALACTIC BASE LEBRON
2015 3
2016 9
2017 9
2018 2
2019 6
2020 2
2021 1
2022 0
2023 1

Total 33 sales for all years.


COSMIC BASE LEBRON
Total 13 sales for all years.

PURPLE PRIZM /99 BASE LEBRON
Total 6 sales for all years.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by r338;19843754[B

]I was unable to search eBay because there are too many purple prizm variations across all products.[/B]

That feels like maybe a cop out because you found out that there are no LeBron base galactics for sale between 2019-2024. Just search: [Year] Prizm LeBron Purple /99 and you'll find more for that one year than the previous 5 years of Galactics.

I appreciate the PWCC/Fanatics data set but it's flawed in that out of all 3 examples, Galactics are the only cards that rise to the level to be sold on PWCC. Like, no one is selling a 2022-23 LeBron Purple or Cosmic on Goldin auctions but you'll see Galactics from time to time.

It's funny, I have no big name galactics so I have very little stake in the NBA galactic game.

[Spacemanspif]

I think the answer is pretty clear. It's just another case of internet rando not wanting to admit they're wrong.

[r338]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I think the answer is pretty clear. It's just another case of internet rando not wanting to admit they're wrong.

Print runs aside, as I was going through TSonn’s exercise, I noticed prices for some of the Lebron Galactics have fallen dramatically.

02/23/2025 SALES
2015 BGS 9.5 $23.4k
2016 PSA 10 $3.6k ($12,100 sale 03/22/2022)
2017 PSA 10 $1650 ($6,300 sale on 08/14/2022)
2018 PSA 10 $1650
2019 BGS 9.5 $2010
2020 PSA 10 $1440
2021 PSA 10 $1560
2023 PSA 9 $1050

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by TSonn

That feels like maybe a cop out because you found out that there are no LeBron base galactics for sale between 2019-2024. Just search: [Year] Prizm LeBron Purple /99 and you'll find more for that one year than the previous 5 years of Galactics.

I appreciate the PWCC/Fanatics data set but it's flawed in that out of all 3 examples, Galactics are the only cards that rise to the level to be sold on PWCC. Like, no one is selling a 2022-23 LeBron Purple or Cosmic on Goldin auctions but you'll see Galactics from time to time.

It's funny, I have no big name galactics so I have very little stake in the NBA galactic game.

This is spot on. If we don't have print runs mapped out we have to look at context of the cards themselves and the market in which they live or have lived in in the past. Doing so will answer a great many questions.

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by r338

Print runs aside, as I was going through TSonn’s exercise, I noticed prices for some of the Lebron Galactics have fallen dramatically.

02/23/2025 SALES
2015 BGS 9.5 $23.4k
2016 PSA 10 $3.6k ($12,100 sale 03/22/2022)
2017 PSA 10 $1650 ($6,300 sale on 08/14/2022)
2018 PSA 10 $1650
2019 BGS 9.5 $2010
2020 PSA 10 $1440
2021 PSA 10 $1560
2023 PSA 9 $1050

As I mentioned before, these underwent a severe pump and dump between the years of 2018-2021/22ish before they nosedived when the investerbois moved on to kabooms and the like. Before that you could get raw for 80 bucks from new releases for my guy. They went up into 4 figures and now back down to 100 something raw to 2 or 3 hundie for a high grade. Im totally fine with that. It's a more fun space to operate in as a collector anyway. Ideally they'd stay this way for a long while.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I'm a big court kings level 4 fan but they are somewhat difficult to evaluate because they're for rookies only and relatively new so none of the GOAT tier players of the current era (lebron, steph, curry, etc)

However the ones for the big players that do exist like Giannis and Luka do very well (and a Shai one hasn't sold recently but if it did come up would probably go for a lot as well)

Shai PSA 8 sold for $1525 last month

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by r338

Print runs aside, as I was going through TSonn’s exercise, I noticed prices for some of the Lebron Galactics have fallen dramatically.

02/23/2025 SALES
2015 BGS 9.5 $23.4k
2016 PSA 10 $3.6k ($12,100 sale 03/22/2022)
2017 PSA 10 $1650 ($6,300 sale on 08/14/2022)
2018 PSA 10 $1650
2019 BGS 9.5 $2010
2020 PSA 10 $1440
2021 PSA 10 $1560
2023 PSA 9 $1050

Nowadays nobody cares about them. Just go to card show, it's all Kaboom, manga, color blast, and downtown. Galactic is only available on basketball while those I mentioned is available on basketball, football, and baseball (albeit mostly unlicensed)

[tjforce]

One of the coolest things about Galactics is that you can pair your top NBA stars with Galactics of your favorite NFL stars.

Here's my favorite from my NFL collection



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[kipgen]

Speaking of revolution, what do yall think of the new case hit Revolutionary from this year



pretty sick

[Nomad]

what is the square thing between his thighs and is that the usual Panini "one-leg-twig" photoshop job?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Nowadays nobody cares about them. Just go to card show, it's all Kaboom, manga, color blast, and downtown. Galactic is only available on basketball while those I mentioned is available on basketball, football, and baseball (albeit mostly unlicensed)

Maybe it is not that no one cares about them, they are unavailable. Collectors aren't looking to sell.

I mean this seems to be verified by the reverence with which collectors on this forum treat them. To the point where I have never got my hands on an example of even a scrub.

Theory: lesser known players are less likely to appear on the market, as who wants to give up something for $50 that it could take years to see again?

[ninjabum87]

Yeah, you can pry my Joe Ingles Galactic from my cold dead hands.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by tjforce

One of the coolest things about Galactics is that you can pair your top NBA stars with Galactics of your favorite NFL stars.

Here's my favorite from my NFL collection



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Yeah boooiiii!

Only 2 years of true galactics in NFL - 2018 and 2019. Chronicles added some 1/1 galactics in later years when they added both Revolution and Unparalleled but you can never find them.

Decent value but way more of a collector's collector card than anything for NFL.