First Buzz: 2024 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards (will update)

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by bub838

Interested to see an odds sheet, that's for sure.
I have a hard time believing this will be shorter printed than usual. The entire checklist in chrome, even at five per box is still alot.

If we conservatively say that all the Chromes are going to be #'d /699 - that is 625x699 (Not sure if we'll have any other colors as part of that "5 Per Box") so again, taking the conservative rout.

625*699 = 436,875 Chrome cards. While we don't know what the Retail vs Hobby allocation will be, the math works out to 87,375 boxes = 7,280 Cases.

If a blaster has 1 chrome per box = 40 Per Case. So where is the line... (And are there any other configurations?)

2,000 Blaster Cases would leave 5,947 Hobby Cases
4,000 Blaster Cases would leave 4,614 Hobby Cases

For High Number, I still think that's a lot

[bub838]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

If we conservatively say that all the Chromes are going to be #'d /699 - that is 625x699 (Not sure if we'll have any other colors as part of that "5 Per Box") so again, taking the conservative rout.

625*699 = 436,875 Chrome cards. While we don't know what the Retail vs Hobby allocation will be, the math works out to 87,375 boxes = 7,280 Cases.

If a blaster has 1 chrome per box = 40 Per Case. So where is the line... (And are there any other configurations?)

2,000 Blaster Cases would leave 5,947 Hobby Cases
4,000 Blaster Cases would leave 4,614 Hobby Cases

For High Number, I still think that's a lot

I think your estimate is low. 2023 HHN was 10,000+ cases and 2022 was more than 2023.

Five chrome per box, we need to figure out the total number of chrome cards in the product - minus the 100 with existing parallels.
/699 * 625 = 436,875
/75 * 525 = 39,375
/5 * 525 = 2,625
/1 * 525 = 525
= 479,400/5= 95,880 boxes/12 = 7990 cases (ignoring retail split)

However...

What about /999, /575 and /375 from the first release?
/999 * 525 = 524,475
/575 * 525 = 301,875
/375 * 525 = 196,875
=1,023,225
+ 479,400=
1,502,625 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 300,525 boxes /12 = 25,043 cases (ignoring retail split)

Be generous and remove /999 = 978,150 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 195,630 boxes /12 = 16,302 cases (ignoring retail split)

Or maybe the above are only being applied to the 125 cards on HHN checklist.
/999 * 125 = 124,875
/575 * 125 = 71,825
/375 * 125 = 46,875
=243,575
+ 479,400=
722,975 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 144,595 boxes /12 = 12,049 cases (ignoring retail split)

It's fun to speculate! I'm not sure how it will shake out, but I'm least confident that this is a short printed run compared to previous years and I'd be surprised if /999 /575 and /375 don't factor in someway.

[coupie21]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Hearing about dealers being cut and not being offered any from Fanatics reps has me wondering if there won't be an insane amount of this made. If so, many will wish they locked in at today's prices.

I, too, have an extremely hard time buying into a belief that this product may be "cut back" from a production standpoint. If there is one thing I have learned over the past couple years, it is that Fanatics and the "Big 3" seem to have a way of making new products seem scarce. Thus, keeping prices high and the market manipulated! More and more people coming into this "hobby" seem to have a surplus of money and little brain/will power.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by coupie21

I, too, have an extremely hard time buying into a belief that this product may be "cut back" from a production standpoint. If there is one thing I have learned over the past couple years, it is that Fanatics and the "Big 3" seem to have a way of making new products seem scarce. Thus, keeping prices high and the market manipulated! More and more people coming into this "hobby" seem to have a surplus of money and little brain/will power.

Topps has also shown they have no problem undercutting their dealers in pricing on their website post release, see flagship this year and last.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I’m calling shenanigans on this, and any inference that whatever Fanatics is doing is somehow good for the hobby. First, Fanatics didn’t acquire Topps until January 2022, after the COVID boom had already increased entrants into the hobby. Second, inflation and charging more for the price of wax, coupled with overprinting product, probably account for around 50% of that revenue increase. Then factor in that Fanatics is making even more money on breaking, where collectively, people are basically paying much more to open wax. There’s your revenue jump over the past 5 years…

Then it's not shenanigans. You just spelled out exactly how they did it lol.

[ThoseBackPages]

why would they cut production on this or anything for that matter?

what recent baseball wax are addicts NOT buying?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

why would they cut production on this or anything for that matter?

what recent baseball wax are addicts NOT buying?

There will be plenty for everyone x 10.

[bustsomewax]

Hoping we get a Topps pre order this week.

[MotorboatJones]

I bought a couple hobby boxes at $128. This should be a good release with the minis included.

[Skipscards]

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

[elektrokuter]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

hm think there will be SPs? or they will still sell well out of this set?

I actually dont re-sell my stuff dont much b/c I dont buy a lot but boy I could not believe the ROI I got on the few mini boxes I opened lol. Never thought Id find someone to pay me $60 for a Shintaro Fujinami card.

Was hoping mini was a separate release, but I usually buy Heritage anyways.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by elektrokuter

hm think there will be SPs? or they will still sell well out of this set?

I actually dont re-sell my stuff dont much b/c I dont buy a lot but boy I could not believe the ROI I got on the few mini boxes I opened lol. Never thought Id find someone to pay me $60 for a Shintaro Fujinami card.

Was hoping mini was a separate release, but I usually buy Heritage anyways.

Good question. That is unclear. I would expect the same 25 SPs as the regular size, but who knows? They are kitchen sinking this release.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

Interesting, if there's eight minis in a hobby box it does make getting the set completed slightly easier.

Eight mini, five chrome, one auto/relic, two aqua, four dark blue- they're really filling these boxes up.

[mfw13]

Any info on whether or not there will be more 3D's.....

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Any info on whether or not there will be more 3D's.....

It doesn’t look like it.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

It doesn’t look like it.

If you're correct, it's yet another royal screw-up by Fanatics....it's bad enough already with the mess they're making of the Chromes.....

[bub838]

Surprised there hasn't been a preorder for this, yet. I asked my Fanatics Rep and he said he hadn't been given any info on it either.

[castaways]

Originally Posted by bub838

Surprised there hasn't been a preorder for this, yet. I asked my Fanatics Rep and he said he hadn't been given any info on it either.

I was informed by a Topps representative 2 weeks ago that there was not going to be any preorder from them on the 2024 Topps Heritage High Number. I normally order directly from them, but when they told me that, I had to make my preorder through one of the big 3.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by castaways

I was informed by a Topps representative 2 weeks ago that there was not going to be any preorder from them on the 2024 Topps Heritage High Number. I normally order directly from them, but when they told me that, I had to make my preorder through one of the big 3.

My LCS told me they had to buy from one of the big 3 as well. What kind of game is topps playing here? there's no way this is a limited release. It's heritage, not dynasty.

[ThoseBackPages]

i think Fanatics knows they can sell them without a problem on the Topps website

but i am surprised they passed on the free loan from people

[Cardsandcoffee]

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

I think its a combination of that + this may actually be a smaller release then normal.

DA/BO/SCS could also just re add the preorders for a higher price at any time.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

Can someone get the pump gif going. There is going to be plenty of Heritage printed.

[kyle1707]

When blowout and Dave adams run the secondary market

They both make the price the same thing. Double triple cost ?

Then for a day or 2 they show sold out .. then they raise the price and everyone buys

Happens every week with different products

They are very good at what they do. And lets be honest a lot of card people have massive FOMO ..

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

When blowout and Dave adams run the secondary market

They both make the price the same thing. Double triple cost ?

Then for a day or 2 they show sold out .. then they raise the price and everyone buys

Happens every week with different products

They are very good at what they do. And lets be honest a lot of card people have massive FOMO ..

one could argue that wax addiction is at an all time high