The Ringer's Top 25 Under 25

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

I still feel shame for impulse purchasing this




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It’s okay. We all have a secret Lux card we keep in our shame stack.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m not a WAR believer, so we’re talking two different languages. An equation with built-in positional bias is telling us that a dude with an .810 OPS is elite because he’s a shortstop. That’s like saying Mike Minor was the best pitcher in 2019.

I’m by no means anti-Wander, nor do I doubt greatness lies ahead. I just need to see more than a shortstop who doesn’t strike out much, before I’m ranking him ahead of two players who just had two of the best age-22 seasons of all-time.


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Oh, I'm with you. I'm not sold that WAR tells us what they claim it tells us. But the reality is, it has become accepted to the point that if he compiles 80 WAR in the next 10 years, it won't matter whether you or I think an .810 OPS is elite, he'll be a legend.

[SupermanBrandon]

Lux…way too high
Acuna…should be #2

1. Soto
2. Acuna
3. Vlad

…imagine being an Adell investor. He’s behind some names that most have never even heard of.


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Lux…way too high
Acuna…should be #2

1. Soto
2. Acuna
3. Vlad

…imagine being an Adell investor. He’s behind some names that most have never even heard of.


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Adell!!!

Caught while fishing for Ohtani in ‘18 BBest breaks




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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Oh, I'm with you. I'm not sold that WAR tells us what they claim it tells us. But the reality is, it has become accepted to the point that if he compiles 80 WAR in the next 10 years, it won't matter whether you or I think an .810 OPS is elite, he'll be a legend.

Good point.

It’ll probably be like with Trout, where some people point to WAR to say he’s the best, while others say he’s great because he consistently bats .300 with 40 HR (and the other stuff, too).


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[JRX]

His ranking is obv based on the 55 games he played in the 2nd half where he had an .870 ops and not the 15 from when he was first called up in which he had .585 ops. He also was graded as having an 80 hit tool and plays SS. Its really not controversial, and the writer probably put him that high to generate interest. Its what clickbaiters do to get clicks.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by JRX

His ranking is obv based on the 55 games he played in the 2nd half where he had an .870 ops and not the 15 from when he was first called up in which he had .585 ops. He also was graded as having an 80 hit tool and plays SS. Its really not controversial, and the writer probably put him that high to generate interest. Its what clickbaiters do to get clicks.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to think Wander will have a better career from here than VGJ, Tatis, or Acuna, on average. I just don't think you can say that he's in some class apart from them or anything like that. Soto isn't either, but Soto just has the sort of package of skills where it seems like it's impossible for him to not be an All-Star level player for the next ten years if he doesn't completely hit the skids health wise, where there's some issue with each of the others -

- Wander - bat could fail to develop further
- VGJ - early athleticism decline/weight. Also that his first half BA last year was a bit of a flash in the pan.
- Tatis - inability to stay on the field, bat doesn't play up to the same degree at an incrementally less valuable position.
- Acuna - major knee reconstruction always has question marks.

Wander has the highest floor just because of the defensive component - playing good defense at SS with .350 OBP and some doubles is just stupidly valuable; there are very good teams that get a lot less out of the position.

[seanrs1]

Wouldn't it be nice if Acuna, Soto, Tatis, Vladdy, and Wander all become HOF's and everyone is happy with their collection that has appreciated over the years?

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

Lux seems a bit high.

I still believe in Lux. I tend to not write guys off after 530 PA at age 21-23, even if they are spread out over three seasons.

He's a slightly better than average MLB player at age 24. Unfortunately for him, that's not good enough to be a full time starter on the Dodgers...which is his biggest shortcoming so far. All that upside we thought he had when he was a top 5 prospect is still there.

[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I still believe in Lux. I tend to not write guys off after 530 PA at age 21-23, even if they are spread out over three seasons.

He's a slightly better than average MLB player at age 24. Unfortunately for him, that's not good enough to be a full time starter on the Dodgers...which is his biggest shortcoming so far. All that upside we thought he had when he was a top 5 prospect is still there.

There is a guy in my Dynasty league that wont trade me Micky Moniak for less than a 1st round pick... lol

Willy Adames really never caught fire until being traded.

Lux certainly has time on his side, but I fear for those early investors.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

There is a guy in my Dynasty league that wont trade me Micky Moniak for less than a 1st round pick... lol

Willy Adames really never caught fire until being traded.

Lux certainly has time on his side, but I fear for those early investors.

If it means anything, I wrote Moniak of pretty early When I saw him in the AFL I could see what the scouts liked about him, but man, he just could never hit.

[gresh87]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Three Marlins made the list. So that has to bode well for the Yankees in 3-4 years.

::ahem::