Luka traded to the Lakers - Page 28

Delta5 · 03-04-2025, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I assume he’ll be back to start the season. But he won’t be 100%. Outside of Adrian Peterson, I don’t think there’s any professional athlete who would tell you they were 100% the season after injury. He’ll also be 33 at the end of this month. It’s not getting any easier recovering from surgery.

Kevin Durant

SandStoneSports · 03-04-2025, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

It would be kinda comical at this point. Dallas fans may tell ownership to move the team. I'd be beyond disgusted if I were a Mavs fan.

Mavs fan here. Beyond disgusted. I dont think I'll spend another minute watching them, or buying their merch.

You started to get the sense the Front Office was full of idiots when they signed broken down Klay Thompson on a three-year deal worth 16 million a year. He will be 37 before he's off the team.

Trading your 25 year old franchise star and trusting the team to 3 past their prime oft injured players was a complete idiot move. So much so that it is starting to look like it was a mandate from the new owners more than it was actual basketball moves.

The best part of the entire thing is the new ownership came out yesterday and said they were raising season tickets next year due to "ongoing investments in the team." Nico, and J-Kidd are toast. At the very least they got a few more millions to line their pockets.

rhigh2390 · 03-05-2025, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

Mavs fan here. Beyond disgusted. I dont think I'll spend another minute watching them, or buying their merch.

You started to get the sense the Front Office was full of idiots when they signed broken down Klay Thompson on a three-year deal worth 16 million a year. He will be 37 before he's off the team.

Trading your 25 year old franchise star and trusting the team to 3 past their prime oft injured players was a complete idiot move. So much so that it is starting to look like it was a mandate from the new owners more than it was actual basketball moves.

The best part of the entire thing is the new ownership came out yesterday and said they were raising season tickets next year due to "ongoing investments in the team." Nico, and J-Kidd are toast. At the very least they got a few more millions to line their pockets.

I genuinely feel sorry for their fan base. It has to be demoralizing seeing a team you love ran like this. Like I said in another post, it's hard to draft a guy to a smaller market team and him want to be there long term. It seemed like Luka was one of those rare guys and wanted a Dirk-type career in Dallas.

Nomad · 03-05-2025, 05:04 AM

When Blez says the Luka trade is trending toward the Shai trade as the two worst trades in NBA history...

oh and then he throws in Garnett-Pierce, "what picks they turn into"

Mavs had the coolest owner-enthusiast in the league, they were the fun team, what happened?

SandStoneSports · 03-05-2025, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

When Blez says the Luka trade is trending toward the Shai trade as the two worst trades in NBA history...

oh and then he throws in Garnett-Pierce, "what picks they turn into"

Mavs had the coolest owner-enthusiast in the league, they were the fun team, what happened?

The cool owner sold the team to a doofus.

jacksonjj · 03-05-2025, 11:25 AM

And just like that Dallas pro sports have turned into an absolute dumpster fire. Home of the worst GMs in America.

yiguiri2002 · 03-05-2025, 11:34 AM

The craziest part about this trade to me is that they didn't ask for more when the Lakers could easily add more stuff. Even if it was something like Knecht and a 1st.

It's like trading a dollar for 30 cents, you see the other person has an extra dime and don't even push them for it.

theleica · 03-05-2025, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

The craziest part about this trade to me is that they didn't ask for more when the Lakers could easily add more stuff. Even if it was something like Knecht and a 1st.

It's like trading a dollar for 30 cents, you see the other person has an extra dime and don't even push them for it.

In sports card terms, it's like trading a 1986 Fleer Karl Malone rookie card straight up for a 1986 Michael Jordan rookie card, which is basically the cardboard equivalent of swapping a used lawnmower for a Ferrari.

daeve · 03-05-2025, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

I genuinely feel sorry for their fan base. It has to be demoralizing seeing a team you love ran like this. Like I said in another post, it's hard to draft a guy to a smaller market team and him want to be there long term. It seemed like Luka was one of those rare guys and wanted a Dirk-type career in Dallas.

This is pure [and false] conjecture

Luka and the majority of the FO didn't like each other, it was obvious to anyone with eyes. They wanted him to get in shape so he would stop being hunted on defense in every playoff series and he clearly didn't want to.

kipgen · 03-05-2025, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

This is pure [and false] conjecture

Luka and the majority of the FO didn't like each other, it was obvious to anyone with eyes. They wanted him to get in shape so he would stop being hunted on defense in every playoff series and he clearly didn't want to.

That was a one way thing

It's pretty clear Luka wanted to stay in Dallas, the FO just didn't like him

Just because Luka didn't get along with whoever in Dallas didn't mean he actively wanted to leave

daeve · 03-05-2025, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kipgen

That was a one way thing

It's pretty clear Luka wanted to stay in Dallas, the FO just didn't like him

Just because Luka didn't get along with whoever in Dallas didn't mean he actively wanted to leave

It clearly wasn't. Look at his body language dawg. If it wasn't a one-way thing, then the multi-millionaire pro athlete with the best trainers, facilities, private chefs, and nutritionists at his disposal probably would've started to get in shape, no?

rhigh2390 · 03-05-2025, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

It clearly wasn't. Look at his body language dawg. If it wasn't a one-way thing, then the multi-millionaire pro athlete with the best trainers, facilities, private chefs, and nutritionists at his disposal probably would've started to get in shape, no?

I thought his body language when he went to LA was clear. He was in total shock and didn't look like himself for the first several games. He clearly was planning on being in Dallas his whole career. Luka has proven that he is elite and was only 25 at the time of the trade. You simply don't trade a guy like that, even if you don't like his physique. How is Dallas looking now?

kipgen · 03-05-2025, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

It clearly wasn't. Look at his body language dawg. If it wasn't a one-way thing, then the multi-millionaire pro athlete with the best trainers, facilities, private chefs, and nutritionists at his disposal probably would've started to get in shape, no?

He bought a multi-million dollar house in Dallas like a week before he was traded

Clearly it was an issue where he knew it was on their minds, but not pressing enough that he was going to be traded because that would be crazy (which it was)

rhigh2390 · 03-05-2025, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kipgen

That was a one way thing

It's pretty clear Luka wanted to stay in Dallas, the FO just didn't like him

Just because Luka didn't get along with whoever in Dallas didn't mean he actively wanted to leave

Agreed.

yiguiri2002 · 03-05-2025, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

In sports card terms, it's like trading a 1986 Fleer Karl Malone rookie card straight up for a 1986 Michael Jordan rookie card, which is basically the cardboard equivalent of swapping a used lawnmower for a Ferrari.

Yeah, and you trade the Jordan because you think it won't even be a PSA 4 and look at the Malone thinking you can get a 10.

No one but you sees that but you go ahead with the trade. He also has a decent Magic Johnson but you didn't even push for it.

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Originally Posted by daeve

It clearly wasn't. Look at his body language dawg. If it wasn't a one-way thing, then the multi-millionaire pro athlete with the best trainers, facilities, private chefs, and nutritionists at his disposal probably would've started to get in shape, no?

Even without those things, he took the team to the Conference Finals and Finals when they were the underdogs. And he was always one of the top 3 contenders for MVP, if not the favorite.

rhigh2390 · 03-05-2025, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Yeah, and you trade the Jordan because you think it won't even be a PSA 4 and look at the Malone thinking you can get a 10.

No one but you sees that but you go ahead with the trade. He also has a decent Magic Johnson but you didn't even push for it.

Even without those things, he took the team to the Conference Finals and Finals when they were the underdogs. And he was always one of the top 3 contenders for MVP, if not the favorite.

Exactly. All while not having a great front office putting a team around him. I don't give a crap if he isn't in the gym 24/7 working on "getting in shape". He is a top player in the league. I'd take him 10 times out of 10 over prime Harden and he kept getting paid while never being in shape and crapping the bed every year in the playoffs, while Luka has been even better in the playoffs.

theleica · 03-05-2025, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Yeah, and you trade the Jordan because you think it won't even be a PSA 4 and look at the Malone thinking you can get a 10.

No one but you sees that but you go ahead with the trade. He also has a decent Magic Johnson but you didn't even push for it.

Even without those things, he took the team to the Conference Finals and Finals when they were the underdogs. And he was always one of the top 3 contenders for MVP, if not the favorite.

I do have to admit I have watched more basketball (only Lakers though) since Luka got traded than I have the past year or so. And I'm not even a Lakers fan.

KhalDrogo · 03-05-2025, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

It clearly wasn't. Look at his body language dawg. If it wasn't a one-way thing, then the multi-millionaire pro athlete with the best trainers, facilities, private chefs, and nutritionists at his disposal probably would've started to get in shape, no?

This is a worse take than your snap judgement a week out from the trade. My goodness. Daeve eating up all the BS the Adelson family has been feeding the media.

daeve · 03-05-2025, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

I thought his body language when he went to LA was clear. He was in total shock and didn't look like himself for the first several games. He clearly was planning on being in Dallas his whole career. Luka has proven that he is elite and was only 25 at the time of the trade. You simply don't trade a guy like that, even if you don't like his physique. How is Dallas looking now?

Young superstar athletes have big egos, and probably don't expect to be traded. This shouldn't be surprising. He probably thought he was good enough to get away with whatever, and with many FO's he probably was.

Dallas looks bad because their top 3 players all got hurt in a 2 week span. That's not something anyone can predict, and any team in the league would look 'bad' in that situation.

daeve · 03-05-2025, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kipgen

He bought a multi-million dollar house in Dallas like a week before he was traded

Clearly it was an issue where he knew it was on their minds, but not pressing enough that he was going to be traded because that would be crazy (which it was)

Right, he has a big ego - probably rightfully so, but doesn't change the fact he thought he could get away with whatever. Maybe he should've made sure he and his bosses were sympatico before making a huge purchase.

rhigh2390 · 03-05-2025, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Young superstar athletes have big egos, and probably don't expect to be traded. This shouldn't be surprising. He probably thought he was good enough to get away with whatever, and with many FO's he probably was.

Dallas looks bad because their top 3 players all got hurt in a 2 week span. That's not something anyone can predict, and any team in the league would look 'bad' in that situation.

It's laughable if you think under any circumstance, the trade was the right move for Dallas. End of story.

kipgen · 03-05-2025, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Right, he has a big ego - probably rightfully so, but doesn't change the fact he thought he could get away with whatever. Maybe he should've made sure he and his bosses were sympatico before making a huge purchase.

Yeah but you were saying there was animosity from Luka's side, and there wasn't. He wanted to stay. Dallas wanted him to leave, so they got rid of him.

daeve · 03-05-2025, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Even without those things, he took the team to the Conference Finals and Finals when they were the underdogs. And he was always one of the top 3 contenders for MVP, if not the favorite.

They were underdogs because they weren't doing so well before Nico made moves at the deadline that made them much better, and before Lively got more games under his belt and looked like a real contributor.

Brunson looks way better in NY - why is that? Luka is a good distributor but he's not the easiest to play with, he requires the ball the vast majority of the time to be effective and he needs the right pieces around him to make up for the defensive lapses/shortcomings. Y'all can't sit here and tell me Nico did a horrible job in that regard, he did phenomenally well. Maybe to the point where he felt confident enough to trade a 25yo superstar.

daeve · 03-05-2025, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This is a worse take than your snap judgement a week out from the trade. My goodness. Daeve eating up all the BS the Adelson family has been feeding the media.

Weren't you the one calling Wemby overrated? You have no legs to stand on from a talent evaluation perspective my guy

daeve · 03-05-2025, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

It's laughable if you think under any circumstance, the trade was the right move for Dallas. End of story.

Where did you rate AD and Luka at the time of the trade?

I had them 4th and 9th. Do I make the trade? Probably not. Was it some huge laughable thing? No - and the 2 quarters or whatever of healthy AD on the Mavs was proof of concept. You also unleash Kyrie to be the PG he is. It was a bizarre trade because you rarely see two top 10 players traded for each other, not because the talent levels were lopsided. The Lakers gave up their best player to get a better one.

Dallas probably should've gotten one more 1st round pick, aside from that I don't see much issue with the trade.

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jacksonjj Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: San Diego Posts: 800	And just like that Dallas pro sports have turned into an absolute dumpster fire. Home of the worst GMs in America.