Luka traded to the Lakers

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Yeah. That makes sense. You can try to move goalposts and use illogical statements with no backing like “stat padder”. Stat padder got to the finals 10 times and won 4 times. He won. Period.

And of course you’re already trying to detract from if he wins one at 40 or later with.. it’s all Luka. Make sure to set that precedent now. He’s a non-contributing stat padder. It’s all Luka. Just in case. Yanno?

We get it.

If the greatness of LeBron fails, it’s because he’s dragging a bunch of clowns and a fat Luka. Bron has to score, rebound and assist because the rest of his team is a bunch of no name losers.

Bron would be better off taking on teams by himself.

I’m giving all of you an out here, taking the pressure off Bron.

Luka needs to carry this team to the finals.

But you don’t want it.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

We get it.

If the greatness of LeBron fails, it’s because he’s dragging a bunch of clowns and a fat Luka. Bron has to score, rebound and assist because the rest of his team is a bunch of no name losers.

Bron would be better off taking on teams by himself.

I’m giving all of you an out here, taking the pressure off Bron.

Luka needs to carry this team to the finals.

But you don’t want it.

The irony and gaslighting you are doing in this post is disgusting… you already set the narrative now that they may have a chance that it’s because Luka if they win and LeBron if they don’t.. and you’re going to try to flip it? Absolutely gross behavior.

That is what YOU are doing. Not me. Gaslighting nonsense. Disgusting

I would love to see them make it and LeBron to win finals MVP to see you try to weasel out of it. Stat padder. Luka made it easy. Whatever else you’ll say. There is always something, isn’t there? Gotta find a way. Weak conference. Covid bubble. Now.. 40 and doing something unprecedented. Stat padder.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

It really must bother these trolls that there is a legitimate "LeBron / Jordan - GOAT" conversation. I mean, they're so fanatical, here they are in a Luka thread attempting to undercut LeBron's status. Dang.

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Don’t worry. They’re already starting their narratives now that they’re playing well. They should win so if they don’t. You know. But.. if they do. It’s Luka’s team.

Then they’ll say the Bron homers are doing it. Meanwhile it’s them making the argument and people who are actually basketball fans just rebuttal their claims. The irony and gaslighting that goes on here is truly toxic

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

The irony and gaslighting you are doing in this post is disgusting… you already set the narrative now that they may have a chance that it’s because Luka if they win and LeBron if they don’t.. and you’re going to try to flip it? Absolutely gross behavior.

That is what YOU are doing. Not me. Gaslighting nonsense. Disgusting

I would love to see them make it and LeBron to win finals MVP to see you try to weasel out of it. Stat padder. Luka made it easy. Whatever else you’ll say. There is always something, isn’t there? Gotta find a way. Weak conference. Covid bubble. Now.. 40 and doing something unprecedented. Stat padder.

I’m in this thread saying it’s Luka’s team now. It has been since the trade was announced.

I’m looking forward to all the Lexcuses come playoff time.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’m in this thread saying it’s Luka’s team now. It has been since the trade was announced.

I’m looking forward to all the Lexcuses come playoff time.

I mean you win either way honestly. They lose and Lebron doesn't get another ring, which you want.

They win, and it somehow is diminished and doesn't count as much because Lebron isn't "the guy" in your mind.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’m in this thread saying it’s Luka’s team now. It has been since the trade was announced.

I’m looking forward to all the Lexcuses come playoff time.

You saying it’s Luka’s team is just another way for you to try and take away from any accomplishments he has from here on out. Your hidden agenda is not working

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I mean you win either way honestly. They lose and Lebron doesn't get another ring, which you want.

They win, and it somehow is diminished and doesn't count as much because Lebron isn't "the guy" in your mind.

This is exactly it. He’s setting a narrative to try to take away from any accomplishments yet place blame.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

You saying it’s Luka’s team is just another way for you to try and take away from any accomplishments he has from here on out. Your hidden agenda is not working

Originally Posted by Chris P

I mean you win either way honestly. They lose and Lebron doesn't get another ring, which you want.

They win, and it somehow is diminished and doesn't count as much because Lebron isn't "the guy" in your mind.

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

This is exactly it. He’s setting a narrative to try to take away from any accomplishments yet place blame.

This a great time for a poll to get a pulse of the general sentiment!

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

This is exactly it. He’s setting a narrative to try to take away from any accomplishments yet place blame.

It's ridiculous but it's whatever at this point. It is what it is. Everyone knows how he feels about Lebron so it should come as no surprise. I hate that it's making people come after Luka but again, whatever.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

You saying it’s Luka’s team is just another way for you to try and take away from any accomplishments he has from here on out. Your hidden agenda is not working

I already told you guys I’ll blame Luka if the Lakers don’t win.

He’s my favorite active player.

[Sticks33]

I really tried to understand these guy’s obsession with LeBron. Here’s the cliff notes:

* LeBron is a stat padder
* He played so many years to get the scoring record
* He only cares about individual accomplishments
* He’s only won 4 championships because of the above
* LeBron isn’t an alpha
* LeBron is a millennial

That’s what I’ve got from the last couple of days.

There’s just not much logic to be had here. I keep trying to ask for legitimate evidence of any of the above but it’s all emotional for LeBron-haters.

Here’s the thing, I don’t see LeBron as the GOAT. It’s MJ and always will be. But I’m a big enough fan of basketball to see LeBron as a worthy runner-up. What he’s doing at age 40 is remarkable. Glad to be here for it.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

I really tried to understand these guy’s obsession with LeBron. Here’s the cliff notes:

* LeBron is a stat padder
* He played so many years to get the scoring record
* He only cares about individual accomplishments
* He’s only won 4 championships because of the above
* LeBron isn’t an alpha
* LeBron is a millennial

That’s what I’ve got from the last couple of days.

There’s just not much logic to be had here. I keep trying to ask for legitimate evidence of any of the above but it’s all emotional for LeBron-haters.

Here’s the thing, I don’t see LeBron as the GOAT. It’s MJ and always will be. But I’m a big enough fan of basketball to see LeBron as a worthy runner-up. What he’s doing at age 40 is remarkable. Glad to be here for it.

I think this is where most fall. I don't like Lebron, but I recognize him as being in the top tier of greats and what he is doing at age 40 is very impressive. I think with the way the game is played now and with sports medicine, guys will play longer than they ever have, but I don't know if there will be that many that will have the drive to do it with how much money they will already have by that point.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

He has the greatest physical toolbox arguably of all time.

He couldn’t even translate that into a winning finals record.

If super efficient numbers is all that matters to you, you found your guy.

Your guy is going to have to depend on Luka to carry him to the finals this year.

Isn’t it obvious I’m an MJ Stan?

Why couldn't Jordan make the Finals more than 6 times? Why couldn't Jordan get past the Bucks, Celtics or Pistons until they got old? Sure Jordan won 6 Finals, but he never had to play a good team. He never had to play Hakeem. He got to play the Lakers when Worthy and Scott were hurt. He was good at beating mediocre teams like the Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz, teams that never won anything when Jordan wasn't there.

At age 22, LeBron carried his team to the Finals when Jordan was getting swept by the Celtics at the same age. At age 35 LeBron won a championship when Jordan had quit at the same age because he wouldn't have Pippen and Rodman on the team. At age 38 LeBron carried his team to the WCF when Jordan couldn't even make the Playoffs At age 40 he has his team ready to make a run at the championship when Jordan wasn't good enough to be in the NBA.

Jordan never had to play without his co-stars like LeBron did in the 2015 Finals. Jordan never had to play a Dynasty in the Finals like the 2007 Spurs or the Warriors in 2017 & 2018. Sure, blame LeBron for the losses in 2011 & 2014 or the years they didn't make the Finals just like Jordan deserves the blame for not making the Finals until his 7th year in the NBA and getting his pocket picked by Nick Anderson and losing to the Magic in 1995. Just remember, Jordan never beat a 73 win team in the Finals like LeBron did either.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

I really tried to understand these guy’s obsession with LeBron. Here’s the cliff notes:

* LeBron is a stat padder
* He played so many years to get the scoring record
* He only cares about individual accomplishments
* He’s only won 4 championships because of the above
* LeBron isn’t an alpha
* LeBron is a millennial

That’s what I’ve got from the last couple of days.

There’s just not much logic to be had here. I keep trying to ask for legitimate evidence of any of the above but it’s all emotional for LeBron-haters.

Here’s the thing, I don’t see LeBron as the GOAT. It’s MJ and always will be. But I’m a big enough fan of basketball to see LeBron as a worthy runner-up. What he’s doing at age 40 is remarkable. Glad to be here for it.

What he’s done at his age is incredible. Homers, just please don’t use his age as a crutch/Lexcuse if he fails to win a ring.

What it comes down to, he’s simply not a likeable guy.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

Here’s the thing, I don’t see LeBron as the GOAT. It’s MJ and always will be. But I’m a big enough fan of basketball to see LeBron as a worthy runner-up. What he’s doing at age 40 is remarkable. Glad to be here for it.

Jordan's not the GOAT and he's never been. Jordanstans are worried that LeBron may pass Jordan as LeBron keeps playing at a high level and the Lakers keep trying to put together a team that can win a Championship. The thought that LeBron might win Championships at an age when Jordan was done is killing them.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by rats60

Why couldn't Jordan make the Finals more than 6 times? Why couldn't Jordan get past the Bucks, Celtics or Pistons until they got old? Sure Jordan won 6 Finals, but he never had to play a good team. He never had to play Hakeem. He got to play the Lakers when Worthy and Scott were hurt. He was good at beating mediocre teams like the Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz, teams that never won anything when Jordan wasn't there.

At age 22, LeBron carried his team to the Finals when Jordan was getting swept by the Celtics at the same age. At age 35 LeBron won a championship when Jordan had quit at the same age because he wouldn't have Pippen and Rodman on the team. At age 38 LeBron carried his team to the WCF when Jordan couldn't even make the Playoffs At age 40 he has his team ready to make a run at the championship when Jordan wasn't good enough to be in the NBA.

Jordan never had to play without his co-stars like LeBron did in the 2015 Finals. Jordan never had to play a Dynasty in the Finals like the 2007 Spurs or the Warriors in 2017 & 2018. Sure, blame LeBron for the losses in 2011 & 2014 or the years they didn't make the Finals just like Jordan deserves the blame for not making the Finals until his 7th year in the NBA and getting his pocket picked by Nick Anderson and losing to the Magic in 1995. Just remember, Jordan never beat a 73 win team in the Finals like LeBron did either.

Jordan never had the physical talent set that LeBron was gifted with. It was amazing enough that he made it to six finals.

I admire Jordan’s mental toughness and his willingness to win at those right moments when he was fortunate enough to be in them. I enjoy the perception that he molded his teammates into better players to complement his own game.

LeBron doesn’t have any of those intangibles, from my perspective.

[pingbling23]

MJ wasn’t an elite physical talent? That’s where we are now? Too many holes in the rest of it to even bother.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

MJ wasn’t an elite physical talent? That’s where we are now?

Nowhere compared to LeBron, who is the gold standard.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Nowhere compared to LeBron, who is the gold standard.

You're a #@#@#@#@ing joke.

Year 22 Age 40
2024-25
LAL
54 54 34.7 9.6-18.4 52.1 2.3-5.8 39.5 3.5-4.6 76.4 1.0 7.1 8.1 8.6 0.6 0.9 1.4 3.9 24.9

Shooting 52% from the field, averaging 25, 8 and 7 with 1.4 blocks and steal.

Do you know what Jordan put up and how inefficient his play was towards the end? HE was a trash can and a half.

LeBron is transcending the modern expectation of athlete at age 40.

The other aspect is the team around him.
Jordan had a team in the Bulls that had massive talent around him and the years he left the team still went to the conference finals.
Teams are about chemistry. Removing Jordan didn't remove the team from contention, but taking LeBron away from the Cavs? Bottom 4 team in the league - and that was with Kyrie?


I'm not a Jordan hater either.
His 6/6 is unblemished and an accomplishment that odds are won't be touched. Good for him. In those regards it is why he is considered the GOAT.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

You're a #@#@#@#@ing joke.

Year 22 Age 40
2024-25
LAL
54 54 34.7 9.6-18.4 52.1 2.3-5.8 39.5 3.5-4.6 76.4 1.0 7.1 8.1 8.6 0.6 0.9 1.4 3.9 24.9

Shooting 52% from the field, averaging 25, 8 and 7 with 1.4 blocks and steal.

Do you know what Jordan put up and how inefficient his play was towards the end? HE was a trash can and a half.

LeBron is transcending the modern expectation of athlete at age 40.

The other aspect is the team around him.
Jordan had a team in the Bulls that had massive talent around him and the years he left the team still went to the conference finals.
Teams are about chemistry. Removing Jordan didn't remove the team from contention, but taking LeBron away from the Cavs? Bottom 4 team in the league - and that was with Kyrie?


I'm not a Jordan hater either.
His 6/6 is unblemished and an accomplishment that odds are won't be touched. Good for him. In those regards it is why he is considered the GOAT.

No one is doubting that LeBron was and is a superior physical specimen to Jordan. With platelet infusions, HGH and hair implant technology, Bron has every advantage on top of his superior natural toolbox. Jordan was smoking cigars.

However, the legacy that Jordan left his teammates with was the life skills of playing team basketball and harvesting the most of what you have to deal with. Everyone Bron played with was left to decay like carrion and he sucked the life force out of his teammates with the circus that he ringmasters.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

No one is doubting that LeBron was and is a superior physical specimen to Jordan. With platelet infusions, HGH and hair implant technology, Bron has every advantage on top of his superior natural toolbox. Jordan was smoking cigars.

However, the legacy that Jordan left his teammates with was the life skills of playing team basketball and harvesting the most of what you have to deal with. Everyone Bron played with was left to decay like carrion and he sucked the life force out of his teammates with the circus that he ringmasters.

Why not doubt it?

#@#@#@#@ why not call out MJ's inefficient shooting % in comp to LeBron and assist to turnover ratio?

I haven't found any substantial articles for anything on LeBron and PED's. If you see them i'd post them here.

Jordan and his off the court stuff is questionable. Gambling debts, cocaine addict, etc.

When looking at the GOAT contention I would look full picture on both athletes.
In 40 years when Jordan is gone his 6/6 will stand unquestioned and then you'll have a player who's averaging dumb numbers for 25 years.
Jordan in 15 years while LeBron does 25. The conversation needs to shift from Jordan was the goat of his generation and LeBron was the goat of his.

Different times; different priorities/focuses.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

However, the legacy that Jordan left his teammates with was the life skills of playing team basketball and harvesting the most of what you have to deal with. Everyone Bron played with was left to decay like carrion and he sucked the life force out of his teammates with the circus that he ringmasters.

How can you measure this? And how can you possibly attest that to MJ other than it was a good team. Did that happen when he left the wizards? Surely he taught them the same life skills of playing team basketball and harvesting the most of what you have to deal with... as he was older, I would surmise even more wisdom? No? But that’s not the case and yet another claim that you can’t possibly back..

They are statistically and factually backing.. when LeBron leaves. Teams crumble. Because he has elevated guys who shouldn’t even be in the league. Hence why they weren’t after. And even players who contributed with him and stuck around were not good.

So again. Just illogical claims with no backing

[Mustang1990]

this entire board has gone to #@#@#@#@......

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Mustang1990

this entire board has gone to #@#@#@#@......

Usually happens when the original purpose of the board has become an unmitigated disaster.

[Sticks33]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

What it comes down to, he’s simply not a likeable guy.

There it is..honesty. You don’t like him, plain and simple. So why not just say that instead of all this other stuff that you’ve been bringing up?

Anyway, I’m looking forward to seeing how Luka and LeBron can mesh. I know some people think they can’t. I’m not in that camp. I think they’ll figure it out

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Sticks33

There it is..honesty. You don’t like him, plain and simple. So why not just say that instead of all this other stuff that you’ve been bringing up?

Anyway, I’m looking forward to seeing how Luka and LeBron can mesh. I know some people think they can’t. I’m not in that camp. I think they’ll figure it out

I think a majority see that they will work fine now. Not too many still saying they are going to fail. The people that were saying that to begin with were lying to themselves and were the ones saying Dallas won the deal lol