Patrick Mahomes Prices

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Go rewatch the afc champ game, chiefs was more better overall…the bills fumbled 5 times and recovered all..bills had to go for it 6 times on 4th down..those are all desperate moves that shows they couldn’t win straight up…bills scored mainly off of 4th downs ..

As far as the toe game ..there’s no guarantee if the toe was in, the ravens would of made the 2 point conversion to win..

Didn't the chiefs win a Super Bowl against the 49ers by going for it on 4th down in overtime? So they straight up couldn't win that game under a 3 down scenario.

That's a strange argument. Eagles championship season was littered with 4th down conversions.

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Didn't the chiefs win a Super Bowl against the 49ers by going for it on 4th down in overtime? So they straight up couldn't win that game under a 3 down scenario.

That's a strange argument. Eagles championship season was littered with 4th down conversions.

I don’t think you understand my point … most coaches don’t go for 4th downs much (aside from Dan gamble lions)…typically when you see a team go for it a lot on 4th downs, that means they feel they need to be aggressive and take higher risk/chances to beat the other team.. meaning also, that team has less room for error to win…this was also shown when the broncos played the bills in the wildcard .. broncos had to take some risks like a fake punt..most teams resort to these moves when they feel they have less margins to win on..it’s that simple

As far as last years SB, they had to go for the 4th down in OT..the game was literally on that play

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Just taking a moment to appreciate how even though he lost in the Super Bowl to the Eagles, Patrick Mahomes rolled through this entire list of AFC QBs this season:

Josh Allen
Cj Stroud
Cj Stroud
Justin Herbert
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow
Lamar Jackson

It's like every time someone tries to diss Mahomes for losing in the Super Bowl, it's an ever bigger diss to all these names that lost to Mahomes.

Rolled through lol. Shouldve said narrowly won. And his record against Allen is 1-1 last season so it's a push. Should've been 2-0 but whatever

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I don't know you, but it's so sad that you're mislead by the stuff social media throws out there to get engagement.

Sucks you let it live and thrive in your head enough to go into a Mahomes card thread and try to rain doom on a bunch of people who like the guy because he helped them get rich off his cards.

Dont make controversial takes if you dont want us to discredit you, it's that easy

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

I don’t think you understand my point … most coaches don’t go for 4th downs much (aside from Dan gamble lions)…typically when you see a team go for it a lot on 4th downs, that means they feel they need to be aggressive and take higher risk/chances to beat the other team.. meaning also, that team has less room for error to win…this was also shown when the broncos played the bills in the wildcard .. broncos had to take some risks like a fake punt..most teams resort to these moves when they feel they have less margins to win on..it’s that simple

As far as last years SB, they had to go for the 4th down in OT..the game was literally on that play

I see no problem going for it on 4th down if your team is good at it which the Bills are. And that was 1st down anyway until one of the refs decided to mark it short

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

I don’t think you understand my point … most coaches don’t go for 4th downs much (aside from Dan gamble lions)…typically when you see a team go for it a lot on 4th downs, that means they feel they need to be aggressive and take higher risk/chances to beat the other team.. meaning also, that team has less room for error to win…this was also shown when the broncos played the bills in the wildcard .. broncos had to take some risks like a fake punt..most teams resort to these moves when they feel they have less margins to win on..it’s that simple

As far as last years SB, they had to go for the 4th down in OT..the game was literally on that play

The advanced stats dictate many of the decisions to go for it on 4th down. It isn't necessarily exclusive to Dan Campbell's MO but a league wide shift towards an aggressive push to keep drives alive. And it certainly isn't derived by your opponent as much as it is a coach's belief in their defense. in a nutshell it's a decision comprised of various factors and not because somebody is playing a particular team. The Eagles were notorious for going for it on 4th downs this year and they were the best team in the league as it was proved couple weeks ago.

And yes, the chiefs had to go for it on 4th down against the niners. That is true but by your logic, if they were truly deserving to be champs, they should have converted before it got to 4th down.

It used to be sacrilegious to go for it on 4th down at midfield with 1 yard to go. Now it's almost expected irregardless of who's playing who.

[Delta5]

It's funny how people here hates opposing takes and diss on mahomes when they continually diss other QBs. No, Mahomes didnt "roll through" any of those QBs. He narrowly won thanks to wuestionable calls, blocked FG, toe going out of bounds, RTP at 3rd downs, and fg that doinked in. Hell, Mahomes didnt even roll through Raiders, Panthers or any team as matter of fact.

[mjekase]

QBs don't play QBs, so none of them roll through each other. If you want to look at each game and see how each QB did against the other's defense, that would be more relevant.

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by Delta5

It's funny how people here hates opposing takes and diss on mahomes when they continually diss other QBs. No, Mahomes didnt "roll through" any of those QBs. He narrowly won thanks to wuestionable calls, blocked FG, toe going out of bounds, RTP at 3rd downs, and fg that doinked in. Hell, Mahomes didnt even roll through Raiders, Panthers or any team as matter of fact.

I honestly don't know why you come to this thread. You hate Mahomes. You can't possibly enjoy it here.

Why bother?

This can't be good for your mental health.

I'd encourage you to take a break from the Mahomes thread. Honestly, it would be good for you.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I honestly don't know why you come to this thread. You hate Mahomes. You can't possibly enjoy it here.

Why bother?

This can't be good for your mental health.

I'd encourage you to take a break from the Mahomes thread. Honestly, it would be good for you.

You dont need to tell me what to do and not to do. I love ichiro fwiw, but Mahomes? hard pass

[dave2424]

Originally Posted by Delta5

You dont need to tell me what to do and not to do. I love ichiro fwiw, but Mahomes? hard pass

In all the years on blowout you are by far the worst person I have run across, zero integrity, proven liar, MVP of the trolls. You have sucked whatever enjoyment people have on here out, no one wants to argue with you anymore. I checked in today just to see if you have left, but no the same blah blah blah. Can't wait till you get banned this site will be better if you weren't on it.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I honestly don't know why you come to this thread. You hate Mahomes. You can't possibly enjoy it here.

Why bother?

This can't be good for your mental health.

I'd encourage you to take a break from the Mahomes thread. Honestly, it would be good for you.

It's weird to come into the Mahomes thread constantly and do that kind of stuff.

There's tons of general NFL threads to talk about whatever TikTok theories you want. You want to talk Josh Allen, there's a Bills thread for that and you don't see many Mahomes fans in there bad mouthing him (heck, I support the guy against all but 2 other NFL teams).

But I guess when your on top of the current NFL mountain and Hobby mountain with a mile in in between you and the next guy, it triggers the haters to come out and try to piss on everybody's good time who just want to talk about cards.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by dave2424

In all the years on blowout you are by far the worst person I have run across, zero integrity, proven liar, MVP of the trolls. You have sucked whatever enjoyment people have on here out, no one wants to argue with you anymore. I checked in today just to see if you have left, but no the same blah blah blah. Can't wait till you get banned this site will be better if you weren't on it.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I am not sure he quite "rolled through" Burrow, Jackson and Allen this year.

Burrow he beat by 1 point on a lucky defensive holding call. Jackson he beat by half a foot. He lost by 9 to Allen before beating him by 3.

I said all season long that all those close games would eventually catch up with him and they did - on the biggest stage in North American sports.

Rolled through them in the sense that he beat them all. And when you end a guy who's league MVP's season for the 4th time, it stops mattering how you beat them.

Anyways... for anyone watching, this is the difference between a normal human conversation and being an insufferable troll. I appreciate your dialogue here.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I see no problem going for it on 4th down if your team is good at it which the Bills are. And that was 1st down anyway until one of the refs decided to mark it short

No one is saying they see a problem going for it on 4th down. Idiot. Do you read sentences?

All he was saying is the obvious: ROUTINELY going for it on 4th down is showing consistent tendency to take risks more often because of a simple mindset that you need to take to boost win probability. Duh.

[sethc1020]

Why do you argue with him and quote him???? He needs your attention, if you stop giving it to him he losses his need to be here. In all my years here on BO he is literally the only person I have ever put on ignore.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I honestly don't know why you come to this thread. You hate Mahomes. You can't possibly enjoy it here.

Why bother?

This can't be good for your mental health.

I'd encourage you to take a break from the Mahomes thread. Honestly, it would be good for you.

Originally Posted by dave2424

In all the years on blowout you are by far the worst person I have run across, zero integrity, proven liar, MVP of the trolls. You have sucked whatever enjoyment people have on here out, no one wants to argue with you anymore. I checked in today just to see if you have left, but no the same blah blah blah. Can't wait till you get banned this site will be better if you weren't on it.

I honestly don't understand why you guys don't just block him? You're giving him exactly what he wants. Trust me, when this is all you see it makes this thread much more enjoyable:

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

No one is saying they see a problem going for it on 4th down. Idiot. Do you read sentences?

All he was saying is the obvious: ROUTINELY going for it on 4th down is showing consistent tendency to take risks more often because of a simple mindset that you need to take to boost win probability. Duh.

Bingo!!!! Teams that feel slightly inferior will always try to take on more risks to win the game..examples: going for trick plays, a lot on 4th downs even on bad sides of the field, fake punts etc ….nothing wrong with that..but that’s the reality

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I honestly don't understand why you guys don't just block him? You're giving him exactly what he wants. Trust me, when this is all you see it makes this thread much more enjoyable:

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Bingo!!!! Teams that feel slightly inferior will always try to take on more risks to win the game..examples: going for trick plays, a lot on 4th downs even on bad sides of the field, fake punts etc ….nothing wrong with that..but that’s the reality

I don't think the Bills thought they were an inferior team to the Chiefs. I hate to bring it up as I think it's played out already but the Texans shed some light on how teams view playing the chiefs. It's like you're up against the refs. I think that notion helped create that aggressive mindset the Bills had. If you feel like you're on an uphill battle against a policing power, you have to throw the kitchen sink so to speak.

[MFaulkCollector]

People in general seem to be so incompetent here. History is what it is, literally nobody will care why a team won, what tactics they used, what path they took.......... the single one and only thing that matters is the resume. What did someone accomplish, how many games did they win, how many super bowls did they win, how many leagye mvps did they win............ then that resume is blended and compared against other players.

Why in the actual F some people come into this thread is baffling.

The thread is about an individual who has won 3 SB's, 2 MVP's, is a 2 time first team all pro, and has won 17 playoff games........ that individual is also one of 3 NFL QB's in history who has a higher qb rating in the playoffs than the regular season. Considering the career regular season rating is over 100 at this point I'd say that's impressive.

Joe Borrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson......... 0 Super Bowls between them, like 12 or so playoff wins, 3 MVPs, 3 First team all pro.

Allen has 1 MVP and 0 SB... has lost both at home and on the road in the playoffs, yet has won a bunch of regular season meetings head to head (which shows the teams are close enough in ability that an all time elite QB would find a way to squeak out 1 or more of these against another all time great. Life isn't fair and history doesn't give half a fook. You either won or you didn't.

Brady V Manning....... neither EVER ONCE beat the other in the playoffs on the road....... was it fair that Manning had to go to NE a bunch? Nope, do we know who cares? Nobody, win more regular season games and it wouldn't have happened the way it did.

Lamar Jackson.... 2 MVP to match Mahomes, 3 First Team All Pro to best Mahomes.. ok, we are getting somewhere here.

Lamar Jackson's regular season career rating is 102....... incredible player. His playoff rating for his career is 84.5. In the games that matter he is the worst version of himself. I can't even find another player who is HOF level that had a rating 18 points below their usual performance. That is a direct reflection of why they are 3-5 in the playoffs. If he was a 95.0-98.0 passer in the playoffs there is a high likelihood they are raising 2 SB trophies right now..... but they aren't, because it can be argued he is the most anti-clutch QB in NFL history.

Joe Burrow..... 0 MVP, 0 anything that measures, hopefully he can stay healthy

End Rant

[boxbuster7]

preach ^

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by dave2424

In all the years on blowout you are by far the worst person I have run across, zero integrity, proven liar, MVP of the trolls. You have sucked whatever enjoyment people have on here out, no one wants to argue with you anymore. I checked in today just to see if you have left, but no the same blah blah blah. Can't wait till you get banned this site will be better if you weren't on it.

Thanks, I take it as compliment

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

People in general seem to be so incompetent here. History is what it is, literally nobody will care why a team won, what tactics they used, what path they took.......... the single one and only thing that matters is the resume. What did someone accomplish, how many games did they win, how many super bowls did they win, how many leagye mvps did they win............ then that resume is blended and compared against other players.

Why in the actual F some people come into this thread is baffling.

The thread is about an individual who has won 3 SB's, 2 MVP's, is a 2 time first team all pro, and has won 17 playoff games........ that individual is also one of 3 NFL QB's in history who has a higher qb rating in the playoffs than the regular season. Considering the career regular season rating is over 100 at this point I'd say that's impressive.

Joe Borrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson......... 0 Super Bowls between them, like 12 or so playoff wins, 3 MVPs, 3 First team all pro.

Allen has 1 MVP and 0 SB... has lost both at home and on the road in the playoffs, yet has won a bunch of regular season meetings head to head (which shows the teams are close enough in ability that an all time elite QB would find a way to squeak out 1 or more of these against another all time great. Life isn't fair and history doesn't give half a fook. You either won or you didn't.

Brady V Manning....... neither EVER ONCE beat the other in the playoffs on the road....... was it fair that Manning had to go to NE a bunch? Nope, do we know who cares? Nobody, win more regular season games and it wouldn't have happened the way it did.

Lamar Jackson.... 2 MVP to match Mahomes, 3 First Team All Pro to best Mahomes.. ok, we are getting somewhere here.

Lamar Jackson's regular season career rating is 102....... incredible player. His playoff rating for his career is 84.5. In the games that matter he is the worst version of himself. I can't even find another player who is HOF level that had a rating 18 points below their usual performance. That is a direct reflection of why they are 3-5 in the playoffs. If he was a 95.0-98.0 passer in the playoffs there is a high likelihood they are raising 2 SB trophies right now..... but they aren't, because it can be argued he is the most anti-clutch QB in NFL history.

Joe Burrow..... 0 MVP, 0 anything that measures, hopefully he can stay healthy

End Rant

How dare you bring some sanity to this thread...

[boxbuster7]

sorry delta can't see your reply!

man is it nice...