Cowboys OL Zack Martin to retire after 11 seasons in NFL

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

I thought when Dallas started drafting offensive line we were heading in the right direction. It’s crazy to think that Zack Martin and Tyron Smith will both be in the hall of fame and if Travis Frederick had been able to keep playing he would have been in as well. That’s three hall of fame offensive lineman playing together. People talk about Emmitt’s line but he only has one hall of famer Larry Allen who came in 1994 after Emmitt already had 3 straight rushing titles.
Too bad Martin never had an elite quarterback to protect. I don’t blame him for wanting to get out of there.

The truth is he had a bad owner. If Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, and Joe Flacco each won a Super Bowl, Dak could have. Jerry didn't just let his ego get in the way, it was already his fatal flaw. It's why Jimmy Johnson left. It's why Emmitt played in a Cardinals' uniform. It's why TO signed a second contract with Dallas and never played a down of it. It's why people like Leonard Davis, Ken Hamlin, Brandon Carr, and Miles Austin got big contracts.
It boils down to this: Jerry refused to add the final pieces to the puzzle for Dak and McCarthy. The Eagles went and got AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley,Mekhi Becton, and Devonta Smith to help get Hurts over the hump (they just win the SB). The 49ers went out and got Christian McCaffrey and Trent Williams to help Garropollo and Purdy get to a SB. The Lions got Jameson Williams, Sam LaPorta, David Montgomery, and Jamhyr Gibbs to help Goff.
Now these quarterbacks are good, but certainly not special like Mahomes or Elway. All Jerry gave Dak was CeeDee Lamb. Ferguson had one good playoff game, then he came back down to Earth. Ezekiel Elliott was not the same. Tony Pollard never proved to be a starter. Tyron Smith couldn't stay healthy at all. Zack Martin was aging, plus he was tired of the same old story. Dak is not a Superman type quarterback; he's more like a poor man's Batman. Jerry failed this whole team, but nobody calls him out. The window is closed. We all know it.

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[Dallas Cowboys]

Originally Posted by starfox

The truth is he had a bad owner. If Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, and Joe Flacco each won a Super Bowl, Dak could have. Jerry didn't just let his ego get in the way, it was already his fatal flaw. It's why Jimmy Johnson left. It's why Emmitt played in a Cardinals' uniform. It's why TO signed a second contract with Dallas and never played a down of it. It's why people like Leonard Davis, Ken Hamlin, Brandon Carr, and Miles Austin got big contracts.
It boils down to this: Jerry refused to add the final pieces to the puzzle for Dak and McCarthy. The Eagles went and got AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley,Mekhi Becton, and Devonta Smith to help get Hurts over the hump (they just win the SB). The 49ers went out and got Christian McCaffrey and Trent Williams to help Garropollo and Purdy get to a SB. The Lions got Jameson Williams, Sam LaPorta, David Montgomery, and Jamhyr Gibbs to help Goff.
Now these quarterbacks are good, but certainly not special like Mahomes or Elway. All Jerry gave Dak was CeeDee Lamb. Ferguson had one good playoff game, then he came back down to Earth. Ezekiel Elliott was not the same. Tony Pollard never proved to be a starter. Tyron Smith couldn't stay healthy at all. Zack Martin was aging, plus he was tired of the same old story. Dak is not a Superman type quarterback; he's more like a poor man's Batman. Jerry failed this whole team, but nobody calls him out. The window is closed. We all know it.

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Look I’ve been a Cowboys fan all my life. You don’t have to tell me Jones is the problem. But Dak is an above average quarterback that plays well against garbage teams. In today’s era of the NFL you have to have an elite quarterback to win Super Bowls. Several of those quarterbacks you mentioned didn’t play in this era. I’m not sure if you surrounded Dak with a record breaking defense similar to the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens that you could win a Super Bowl with him.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Look I’ve been a Cowboys fan all my life. You don’t have to tell me Jones is the problem. But Dak is an above average quarterback that plays well against garbage teams. In today’s era of the NFL you have to have an elite quarterback to win Super Bowls. Several of those quarterbacks you mentioned didn’t play in this era. I’m not sure if you surrounded Dak with a record breaking defense similar to the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens that you could win a Super Bowl with him.

What offensive weapons has Dak had the last three years besides CeeDee Lamb? I'm talking guys that are consistent? And to push further, what do guys like Parsons and Diggs do in the playoffs when it matters most? Did McCarthy have full control of the team, or was Jerry his Co-Head Coach?

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[88horsepower]

HOF career, no question there.

[Dallas Cowboys]

Do you actually watch Dak play?? Yes he needs more weapons but it still wouldn’t matter. He holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decisions and under throws or over throws his receivers. He puts up stats in garbage time and against garbage teams. He’s not elite. He’s above average. He’s been in the league 9 seasons

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Do you actually watch Dak play?? Yes he needs more weapons but it still wouldn’t matter. He holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decisions and under throws or over throws his receivers. He puts up stats in garbage time and against garbage teams. He’s not elite. He’s above average. He’s been in the league 9 seasons

Did you know the last couple years, his receivers, besides Lamb, get less than 2 yards of separation when being thrown the ball. I can do this all day. I can rebut your rebuttals. We already know Dak is not great. But he was failed by the Owner, GM, Co-Head Coach, and wannabe player - Mr. Jerry Jones. He's the current Al Davis. His good days are behind him (especially with Jimmy Johnson being long gone).
Your name is DallasCowboys, obviously, but what about the other 21 or 22 years before Dak? Who's responsible for that? The being cheap? The dumb contracts? The not allowing the Head Coach to have adequate control? Why isn't Will McClay the GM? Why should Parsons even want to re-sign in Dallas? Those are all legit questions. This is WAY deeper than just Dak. There's a lot of blame to spread around. They say: poop runs from the top. Jerry smells like it.

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[Dallas Cowboys]

Originally Posted by starfox

Did you know the last couple years, his receivers, besides Lamb, get less than 2 yards of separation when being thrown the ball. I can do this all day. I can rebut your rebuttals. We already know Dak is not great. But he was failed by the Owner, GM, Co-Head Coach, and wannabe player - Mr. Jerry Jones. He's the current Al Davis. His good days are behind him (especially with Jimmy Johnson being long gone).
Your name is DallasCowboys, obviously, but what about the other 21 or 22 years before Dak? Who's responsible for that? The being cheap? The dumb contracts? The not allowing the Head Coach to have adequate control? Why isn't Will McClay the GM? Why should Parsons even want to re-sign in Dallas? Those are all legit questions. This is WAY deeper than just Dak. There's a lot of blame to spread around. They say: poop runs from the top. Jerry smells like it.

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Wow you turned a Zack Martin thread into an argument thread about Jerry Jones. You should be proud of yourself.
You keep telling me what I already know. Every Cowboy fan knows Jerry is the problem. Thank you captain obvious! We could have the best owner and separate general manager and the best coach in the world. Till we have an elite quarterback it doesn’t matter. You have to have an elite quarterback in today’s era to win Super Bowls. Dak is not it! I don’t care who you put around him.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Wow you turned a Zack Martin thread into an argument thread about Jerry Jones. You should be proud of yourself.

You keep telling me what I already know. Every Cowboy fan knows Jerry is the problem. Thank you captain obvious! We could have the best owner and separate general manager and the best coach in the world. Till we have an elite quarterback it doesn’t matter. You have to have an elite quarterback in today’s era to win Super Bowls. Dak is not it! I don’t care who you put around him.

Fine, but you only mentioned Dak when placing blame. I caught it....fast. If you're going to tell it, tell right. That's what I'm saying. Despite Jerry's incompetence, Dak was still MVP runner up. Let's not treat him like Ryan Leaf. Again: the team could win a SB with Dak if it had a real owner. Jerry is a great business man outside of football, but an imbecile in football. Jerry calls all the shots; let's give him his blame.

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[Dallas Cowboys]

Wrong!
The team will not win a Super Bowl with Dak I don’t care who owns it. And yes I did place a blame with them not having an elite quarterback. What era are you watching? The 70s? The 80s? This a new era with massive rule changes to favor the quarterback. Yes it’s still a team sport but the quarterback position is more important than ever. Dak puts up numbers in garbage times and against bad teams. He’s average.
I stand by what I said. I wish Zack Martin would have gotten to play with an elite quarterback.


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[starfox]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Wrong!
The team will not win a Super Bowl with Dak I don’t care who owns it. And yes I did place a blame with them not having an elite quarterback. What era are you watching? The 70s? The 80s? This a new era with massive rule changes to favor the quarterback. Yes it’s still a team sport but the quarterback position is more important than ever. Dak puts up numbers in garbage times and against bad teams. He’s average.
I stand by what I said. I wish Zack Martin would have gotten to play with an elite quarterback.


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Is Jalen Hurts an elite quarterback? He just won a Super Bowl. Take away just Barkley, he doesn't win. Take away just AJ Brown, he doesn't win. Take away that #1 defense, he doesn't win. I'm not saying Hurts is bad, but you don't need a great quarterback to win. I early mentioned 6 quarterbacks that won that weren't great at all. At least 4 of them won in 2000 or after. Ownership and management matters. Nobody can win these days under Jerry Jones. One thing's for sure: Dak is better than most first round picks over the last dozen years. He can win it all. He just needs more help than a Mahomes would. Look back at 8/10 quarterbacks that win it all: they have good ownership/management, they have more than one offensive weapon, and they have a defense that's top ten or close to it? Tell me where I lied. Just say you don't see anything in Dak because that's what you're saying. And that's fine, but don't put all the blame on one guy because that's all you mentioned.

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[Dallas Cowboys]

Exactly I don’t see anything in Dak and most of the football watching world doesn’t. He’s had 9 seasons. You act like I don’t realize ownership and coaching isn’t a problem. Of course it is. But at the end of the day you’ve got to have an elite high level quarterback. Dak is not it. Jalen is a much better quarterback than Dak.


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[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

He’s had 9 seasons.

This is my thing with Dak. I think he's fine but after 9 seasons I think we know who he is, yes?

What he is isn't terrible, but it is what it is.