Running PSA Order Tracker

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

Not sure what’s going on, but I have 3 orders that have been stuck in the Assembly step (with blue check mark) since late last week. Usually this phase lasts a day (max) for me.

Yeah I’ve had one since last Wednesday or Thursday stuck there too

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Order Type: January Value Bulk Grading Special (1990-Present)
# of cards: 16
Order shipped: 01/28
Order received per PSA: 1/31
Entered Research & ID: 2/22
Grading:
Assembly:
Grades Available:
Shipped:
Estimated Completion Date: 5/5

Just entered research + ID.

[Cubbies8819]

December 1-15 Value Bulk Holiday Special
Delivered: 1/03/2025
Received per PSA: 1/03/2025
Research & ID:2/3/2025
Grading: 2/18/2025
Assembly:2/20/2025
Grades Ready:
QA:
Shipped:

December 16-31 Value Bulk Holiday Special
Delivered: 1/03/2025
Received per PSA: 1/03/2025
Research & ID: 1/28/2025
Grading: 2/10/2025
Assembly: 2/14/2025
Grades Ready: 2/19/2025
QA: 2/19/2025
Shipped: 2/20/2025

20 - Gem Mint 10
18 - Mint 9
8 - Near Mint 8

First submission with a less than 50% Gem 10 ratio and largest amount of 8's I've received in a single submission. At least most of the bigger cards in the order got 10's

[sheldonbeswift]

January Value Bulk Grading Special (1990-Present)
# of cards: 15
Order Arrived: January 7, 2025
Order Prep: February 1, 2025
Research & ID: February 1, 2025
Grading: February 21, 2025
Assembly: February 22, 2025
Grades Ready:
QA Checks:
Complete: (Estimated April 14, 2025)

[slogue2]

Originally Posted by slogue2

Order Type: Holiday Special
# of cards: 26
Est. Completion Date: 4/10/2025
Order Delivered: 1/6/2025
Order received per PSA: 1/6/2025 (Arrived - My Orders page)
Research & ID: 1/30/2025
Grading: 2/20/2025
Assembly: 2/22/2025
Grades Ready:
QA:
Shipped:

Movement

[cdeck22]

Any idea when the cards get added to the pop report?

[slogue2]

Originally Posted by cdeck22

Any idea when the cards get added to the pop report?

Used to fall the day after they were marked as shipped. Not sure if that has changed.

[metsandweezer]

33/56 on a bulk order. Back to reality. They still have zero clue what they are doing.

[izlo]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

33/56 on a bulk order. Back to reality. They still have zero clue what they are doing.

I may agree, but... what does your post mean?

33 out of 56 got a 10? Should it have been more? Why?

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by izlo

I may agree, but... what does your post mean?

33 out of 56 got a 10? Should it have been more? Why?

Curious on this too. That's pretty much the average rate on modern right now.

[metsandweezer]

Originally Posted by izlo

I may agree, but... what does your post mean?

33 out of 56 got a 10? Should it have been more? Why?

I’m saying even when I get 80-90% on orders, I think some cards are way over graded. On this current order, some iffy conditioned cards got 10’s and cleaner ones got 9’s. We knew all of this already though. Just wish it was more consistent like everyone else.

[sheldonbeswift]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

I’m saying even when I get 80-90% on orders, I think some cards are way over graded. On this current order, some iffy conditioned cards got 10’s and cleaner ones got 9’s. We knew all of this already though. Just wish it was more consistent like everyone else.

I'm not sure if there's a similar trend with other products, but looking at Panini Prizm (Football):

2024 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 5
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (1), 3 (0), 4 (8), 5 (42), 6 (185), 7 (410), 8 (2,194)
- % of Total: 14.4%
- Grade 9: 8,510 (55.9%)
- Grade 10: 3,862 (25.4%)
- Total: 15,217

2023 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 30
- Grades: 1 (2), 2 (18), 3 (63), 4 (163), 5 (503), 6 (2,208), 7 (2,292), 8 (18,426)
- % of Total: 6.7%
- Grade 9: 117,764 (42.6%)
- Grade 10: 135,104 (48.8%)
- Total: 276,573

2022 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 14
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (8), 3 (25), 4 (82), 5 (315), 6 (1,473), 7 (1,412), 8 (8,052)
- % of Total: 7.8%
- Grade 9: 43,264 (41.9%)
- Grade 10: 48,559 (47.1%)
- Total: 103,204

It’s possible that the 2024 product just has significantly worse quality control, but I don’t think that fully explains the drop in Grade 10 outcomes. Instead, I suspect there’s a deliberate effort to redistribute grades, whether through stricter grading standards or an intentional shift in outcome distribution.

[metsandweezer]

Originally Posted by sheldonbeswift

I'm not sure if there's a similar trend with other products, but looking at Panini Prizm (Football):

2024 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 5
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (1), 3 (0), 4 (8), 5 (42), 6 (185), 7 (410), 8 (2,194)
- % of Total: 14.4%
- Grade 9: 8,510 (55.9%)
- Grade 10: 3,862 (25.4%)
- Total: 15,217

2023 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 30
- Grades: 1 (2), 2 (18), 3 (63), 4 (163), 5 (503), 6 (2,208), 7 (2,292), 8 (18,426)
- % of Total: 6.7%
- Grade 9: 117,764 (42.6%)
- Grade 10: 135,104 (48.8%)
- Total: 276,573

2022 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 14
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (8), 3 (25), 4 (82), 5 (315), 6 (1,473), 7 (1,412), 8 (8,052)
- % of Total: 7.8%
- Grade 9: 43,264 (41.9%)
- Grade 10: 48,559 (47.1%)
- Total: 103,204

It’s possible that the 2024 product just has significantly worse quality control, but I don’t think that fully explains the drop in Grade 10 outcomes. Instead, I suspect there’s a deliberate effort to redistribute grades, whether through stricter grading standards or an intentional shift in outcome distribution.

I actually got a 10 on my one 2024 Prizm Football card in the order lol

[izlo]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

I’m saying even when I get 80-90% on orders, I think some cards are way over graded. On this current order, some iffy conditioned cards got 10’s and cleaner ones got 9’s. We knew all of this already though. Just wish it was more consistent like everyone else.

Thank you for clarifying.

There really is a lot of variance. It might be nice if we could see their process so we could duplicate it ourselves. Transparency so we can see where they are coming from when they assign grades. What lights/conditions they use. What tools if any. That kind of stuff.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by sheldonbeswift

I'm not sure if there's a similar trend with other products, but looking at Panini Prizm (Football):

2024 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 5
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (1), 3 (0), 4 (8), 5 (42), 6 (185), 7 (410), 8 (2,194)
- % of Total: 14.4%
- Grade 9: 8,510 (55.9%)
- Grade 10: 3,862 (25.4%)
- Total: 15,217

2023 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 30
- Grades: 1 (2), 2 (18), 3 (63), 4 (163), 5 (503), 6 (2,208), 7 (2,292), 8 (18,426)
- % of Total: 6.7%
- Grade 9: 117,764 (42.6%)
- Grade 10: 135,104 (48.8%)
- Total: 276,573

2022 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 14
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (8), 3 (25), 4 (82), 5 (315), 6 (1,473), 7 (1,412), 8 (8,052)
- % of Total: 7.8%
- Grade 9: 43,264 (41.9%)
- Grade 10: 48,559 (47.1%)
- Total: 103,204

It’s possible that the 2024 product just has significantly worse quality control, but I don’t think that fully explains the drop in Grade 10 outcomes. Instead, I suspect there’s a deliberate effort to redistribute grades, whether through stricter grading standards or an intentional shift in outcome distribution.

It has been discussed multiple times. QC on prizm football this year is atrocious.

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

33/56 on a bulk order. Back to reality. They still have zero clue what they are doing.

This falls in line with my ~ 67% gem rate

[zac949]

How about a 59/135 Gem Rate.

I’ve done about 12 submission (just over 1,100 cards) in the past 8 years and I usually pull a 70-80% Gem Rate. This one hurt.

[bigunitcards]

Looks like our collective constant refreshing of the order status pages has broken their system today

[Jwax13]

First sub just popped since the “new standards”.

5/25 gem rate on ultra modern (mostly bowman). Highlights include an SGC 9.5 10 that crossed to a 6, BGs 9.5 true gem that crossed to a 9, PSA 9 that crossed to a 10, SGC 9 that crossed to a 9. All crack and resubs.

It’s truly a casino.

[BoKnowsCards]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

Yeah I’ve had one since last Wednesday or Thursday stuck there too

Same here. I've had two blue-check assembly orders sitting there since last Tuesday 2/18. That's usually the fastest stage, like a day or two.

[sheldonbeswift]

Originally Posted by Jwax13

First sub just popped since the “new standards”.

5/25 gem rate on ultra modern (mostly bowman). Highlights include an SGC 9.5 10 that crossed to a 6, BGs 9.5 true gem that crossed to a 9, PSA 9 that crossed to a 10, SGC 9 that crossed to a 9. All crack and resubs.

It’s truly a casino.

I'm getting less and less excited about seeing mine pop. All PC too

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by sheldonbeswift

I'm not sure if there's a similar trend with other products, but looking at Panini Prizm (Football):

2024 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 5
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (1), 3 (0), 4 (8), 5 (42), 6 (185), 7 (410), 8 (2,194)
- % of Total: 14.4%
- Grade 9: 8,510 (55.9%)
- Grade 10: 3,862 (25.4%)
- Total: 15,217

2023 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 30
- Grades: 1 (2), 2 (18), 3 (63), 4 (163), 5 (503), 6 (2,208), 7 (2,292), 8 (18,426)
- % of Total: 6.7%
- Grade 9: 117,764 (42.6%)
- Grade 10: 135,104 (48.8%)
- Total: 276,573

2022 Panini Prizm (Football)
- Auth: 14
- Grades: 1 (0), 2 (8), 3 (25), 4 (82), 5 (315), 6 (1,473), 7 (1,412), 8 (8,052)
- % of Total: 7.8%
- Grade 9: 43,264 (41.9%)
- Grade 10: 48,559 (47.1%)
- Total: 103,204

It’s possible that the 2024 product just has significantly worse quality control, but I don’t think that fully explains the drop in Grade 10 outcomes. Instead, I suspect there’s a deliberate effort to redistribute grades, whether through stricter grading standards or an intentional shift in outcome distribution.

So let's assume that PSA has started scrutinizing what gets a 10 harder and less 10's are being given. Wouldn't that mean a bump in PSA 9 values across the board, as the even harder to get 10's would become that much more expensive, shifting people to look at getting 9's versus paying a huge premium for a 10?

Or does less 10's mean there will be more 9's, so the pricing for 9's will remain relatively flat, as the increase demand for 9's is offset by the increase in 9's being issued.

[sheldonbeswift]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

So let's assume that PSA has started scrutinizing what gets a 10 harder and less 10's are being given. Wouldn't that mean a bump in PSA 9 values across the board, as the even harder to get 10's would become that much more expensive, shifting people to look at getting 9's versus paying a huge premium for a 10?

Or does less 10's mean there will be more 9's, so the pricing for 9's will remain relatively flat, as the increase demand for 9's is offset by the increase in 9's being issued.

There's an Instagram post from someone at WeTheHobby suggesting the prior...9's increase in value relative to raw, despite the increased supply.

[prznexhibit]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

Not sure what’s going on, but I have 3 orders that have been stuck in the Assembly step (with blue check mark) since late last week. Usually this phase lasts a day (max) for me.

This has been a consistent theme with my last 4-5 bulk submissions sitting in assembly for a good 2 weeks. And invariably, grades will be ready right on or about the 45th business day. I get that they want to nudge more people into going with the Value Plus submissions at $40 a pop, but I’m not sure holding completed orders hostage in assembly for 2-3 weeks is the way to do it.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by sheldonbeswift

There's an Instagram post from someone at WeTheHobby suggesting the prior...9's increase in value relative to raw, despite the increased supply.

That makes sense....the main draw of buying raw (at least for the "investors") is they believe it has a chance to gem, so they'll pay more for raw than a 9 since the increase for getting a 10 is worth the premium over just buying a 9.

But if the odds of getting a 10 are cut and the prices of 9's increase, more people may simply choose to just get the 9 and avoid trying to get lucky with raw cards getting 10's. So price of raw cards also sag.