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Old 02-16-2025, 01:00 AM   #1051
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I was getting exhausted trying to sort out what parallel is what and trying to decipher it based on their names and inconsistent eBay listings. So decided to spend the night doing a deep dive to lay it all out as best as I can. I think this is pretty accurate, but please let me know if anything is missing or mislabeled! I'm borrowing pictures from random eBay listings, so bear with me if the quality isn't great on these. But hoping it's enough to where we can start actually knowing what we're looking at

Going to group these into several different sections as there were a few clear groups that emerged, and I'll try to use all names that are commonly used for each individual parallel, if there are multiple floating out there:

Traditional/non-foil

Loosely labeling this group "traditional" parallels as we have seen most of these before in the past. Most of these are also not foil or patterned cards with several different colors that we'll see many versions of later

Sand Glitter - small patterned dots that give off a shimmery rainbow effect
Gold /2025
Team Color - team logos inset in a border colored to match the team




Golden Mirror - easily identifiable by a largely gold back of card
True Photo - image and Topps logo only on front, no borders
Vintage Stock / Retro /99




Independence Day /76
Canvas /50 - don't have any of these in hand but the texture of the front of the card appears to be noticeably different than your normal base card
Camo /25



Wood /25 - new this year but wood grain stock/texture similar to minis in other products like A&G or 206
Clear / Acetate /10
First Card /1 - identifiable by "First Card" logo in corner of card




Foilfractor /1 - the paper equivalent of a superfractor, has been present in a handful of other products in the past
Printing Plate Black /1
Printing Plate Cyan /1




Printing Plate Magenta /1
Printing Plate Yellow /1




Rainbow / Rainbow Foil / Rainbow Foilboard

This set of parallels are recognizable by the familiar rainbow foil effect we are used to from past Flagship releases, and *no added pattern in the image background* - an important distinction to differentiate between Holo Foil parallels that we'll get to next

Rainbow Foil / Rainbow Foilboard
Aqua Rainbow / Aqua Rainbow Foil / Aqua Rainbow Foilboard
Purple Rainbow / Purple Rainbow Foil / Purple Rainbow Foilboard /250




Blue Rainbow / Blue Rainbow Foil / Blue Rainbow Foilboard /150
Green Rainbow / Green Rainbow Foil / Green Rainbow Foilboard /99
Gold Rainbow / Gold Rainbow Foil / Gold Rainbow Foilboard /50




Orange Rainbow / Orange Rainbow Foil / Orange Rainbow Foilboard /25
Black Rainbow / Black Rainbow Foil / Green Black Foilboard /10
Red Rainbow / Red Rainbow Foil / Red Rainbow Foilboard /5




Holo / Holo Foil

This batch is similar to the rainbow foil variety, but include a shimmery effect in the background and border of the card

Holo / Holo Foil
Pink Holo / Pink Holo Foil
Aqua Holo / Aqua Holo Foil




Purple Holo / Purple Holo Foil /250
Blue Holo / Blue Holo Foil /150
Green Holo / Green Holo Foil /99




Gold Holo / Gold Holo Foil /50
Orange Holo / Orange Holo Foil /25
Black Holo / Black Holo Foil /10




Red Holo / Red Holo Foil /5
Platinum Holo / Platinum Holo Foil /1




Diamante / Diamante Foil

Similar setup with one "base" Diamante parallel and then several different versions of different colors. These all use a diamond-like pattern in the image background and card border

Diamante / Diamante Foil / Silver Diamante
Pink Diamante / Pink Diamante Foil
Gold Diamante / Gold Diamante Foil /50




Orange Diamante / Orange Diamante Foil /25
Black Diamante / Black Diamante Foil /10
Red Diamante / Red Diamante Foil /5




Spring Training / Spring Training Foil / Spring Training Foilboard

These are all distinctive by a palm tree or cactus pattern repeated throughout the card border, representative of the two spring training hubs in Florida and Arizona


Spring Training / Spring Training Foil
Spring Training Green / Spring Training Green Foil / Spring Training Green Foilboard /99
Spring Training Gold / Spring Training Gold Foil / Spring Training Gold Foilboard /50




Spring Training Orange / Spring Training Orange Foil / Spring Training Orange Foilboard /25
Spring Training Red / Spring Training Red Foil / Spring Training Red Foilboard /5
Spring Training Black / Spring Training Black Foil / Spring Training Black Foilboard /1 - I was not able to find an example of this parallel surfacing yet, but it should be just like the others but black and numbered 1/1




Patterns and Tin Variations - Currently unreleased?

I was not able to find examples of any of the parallels in this group, and most of these per Topps' odds sheets come in the tin format - I don't have any info on when these are expected to land, but as I was not able to find any of them yet, I am assuming they have not released yet. I also do not know if all of these parallels are only found in the tins or if any are available in any other formats, but I was not able to dig up examples of them yet. I am imaging that most of these (holiday, eggs, rabbits, etc) will be similar to the past year or two with the given object repeated in a foil background. I may come back and add images to this section once we start to see these pop up, but I'm guessing most of these should be pretty distinctive

Silver Cracked Foilboard / Silver Crackle / Silver Crackle Foilboard - this is what I'm most interested to see, as the name suggests it could be confused with the Diamante or Holo Foil parallels. Topps' odds sheets indicate these will be exclusive to super boxes
Tin Variations - tins only
Holiday - tins only
Topps Foil Pattern - I'm assuming this will have the Topps logo repeated throughout the background. Topps' odds sheet these will be exclusive to Fanatics boxes
Eggs - tins only
Rabbits tins only
Flowers /50 - tins only
Umbrellas /10 - tins only
Watering Cans /5 - tins only
Birds /1 - tins only


Others

Finally, there is a pair of variations that subset a small portion of the checklist that I'll list here just to be complete

Dancing Dodgers - photo variation/SPs with, as the name suggests, a Dodgers player dancing. There are no obvious distinguishing features on these, but you can identify these by having a production code on the back of the card ending with 713
Player Number /XX - pattern repeats the player jersey number throughout the background and border of the card. Card is also serial numbered to the player jersey number, in Skenes' case below, /30





Phew - that was a lot but I think I got most of them. Again, please let me know if I have missed any of them or if any info looks incorrect, and I'll keep this updated for awhile as everyone gets used to all these new ones!

i appreciate the effort for that; thanks
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Old 02-16-2025, 02:12 AM   #1052
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I was getting exhausted trying to sort out what parallel is what and trying to decipher it based on their names and inconsistent eBay listings. So decided to spend the night doing a deep dive to lay it all out as best as I can. I think this is pretty accurate, but please let me know if anything is missing or mislabeled! I'm borrowing pictures from random eBay listings, so bear with me if the quality isn't great on these. But hoping it's enough to where we can start actually knowing what we're looking at
Thanks for the research and the photos of each. That is way too many parallels!
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Old 02-16-2025, 02:57 AM   #1053
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I was told we would have tracking Friday for sure, then rep said he can't explain the delay.

This coming after their shakedown on the 2024 Chrome NFL pricing and I'm beyond annoyed.

What happened with Chrome Football?
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Old 02-16-2025, 03:55 AM   #1054
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Fanatics reps sold chrome football for 199.99 and then a few days later called back and said oops the price was supposed to be 319.99.
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Old 02-16-2025, 07:28 AM   #1055
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Perhaps but I and likely most people just shoe box the base cards and all it does is take up closet/storage space.
For sure, I understand that completely. But when someone mentions value contents, thats part of the value. Its fine to not want to draw the value back out, because maybe it doesn't matter. But its not sincere for someone to say "there is only $200 of value" and at the same time toss $400 of value in the closet and pretend it doesn't exist.
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Old 02-16-2025, 07:46 AM   #1056
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At what point do people get fed up turning $1300 into $200?

Some of these box/case breaks are obscene.

Genuinely sorry for you guys/gals.
You have to put in work with flagship. The return is better than other products. You probably won't pull a card that will cover the case but the little dollar cards add up. It's just a lot of work.
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Old 02-16-2025, 08:41 AM   #1057
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Nice work Hollywood! So once the holiday and factory set versions come out (not to mention Chrome Sapphire), we’re looking at more than 50 parallels per subject. Crazy.

What format are the shimmer foils coming from? Haven’t seen those yet- some Retail format, I’m guessing…

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Old 02-16-2025, 08:50 AM   #1058
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Although I do agree the value isn't as good as normal, there has never been a case of flagship with only $200 value in it at release. Ever. It would be very hard to have the worse case bring less than 3 times that much. The problem, is people open flagship and think its like opening Update Sapphire. Your value isn't in the box hit. The biggest chunk of the value is in the base cards and regular inserts and silver pack cards. The hits and parallel's have usually been the gravy. But this year is more expensive and less overall value. Still nowhere near as bad as your comment leads one to believe. You can buy a case for cheaper, and return much more. You lose credibility when you dramatize a comment like you did. Just sayin.
This is what people who complain about bad boxes for S1 don't understand. S1 is not about the hits.

I didn't want to quote Hollywood's entire post, but it's very helpful. I do enjoy that they're standardizing colors across flagship and Topps Chrome. However, the different patterns (multiple of the same color) are the worst.
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The Diamanté looks really nice from the listings. Bought a few of guys I think will do well this year to hopefully grade. Hopefully those cards look better in hand.
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Need the following to finish off a Master Set, have tons of extras if anyone wants to trade too.

Greatest Hits: 7
All Topps 6
T90 Paper- 33, 68, 81, 92
T90 Chrome - 88, 91

Would like to get the above all from same place if anyone can help?
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Fanatics reps sold chrome football for 199.99 and then a few days later called back and said oops the price was supposed to be 319.99.
I felt like Tony Soprano was shaking me down with that phone call.
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Assuming you mean the Holo Foils - based on the odds sheet, those are in all formats *except* for hobby and jumbo

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Nice work Hollywood! So once the holiday and factory set versions come out (not to mention Chrome Sapphire), we’re looking at more than 50 parallels per subject. Crazy.

What format are the shimmer foils coming from? Haven’t seen those yet- some Retail format, I’m guessing…
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The number of parallels is terrifying when you put it in image form.
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The number of parallels is terrifying when you put it in image form.
Never understand why they make some of them so hard to differentiate. And why they can't put something on the card itself so you know what you have.
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I was getting exhausted trying to sort out what parallel is what and trying to decipher it based on their names and inconsistent eBay listings. So decided to spend the night doing a deep dive to lay it all out as best as I can. I think this is pretty accurate, but please let me know if anything is missing or mislabeled! I'm borrowing pictures from random eBay listings, so bear with me if the quality isn't great on these. But hoping it's enough to where we can start actually knowing what we're looking at

Going to group these into several different sections as there were a few clear groups that emerged, and I'll try to use all names that are commonly used for each individual parallel, if there are multiple floating out there:

Traditional/non-foil

Loosely labeling this group "traditional" parallels as we have seen most of these before in the past. Most of these are also not foil or patterned cards with several different colors that we'll see many versions of later

Sand Glitter - small patterned dots that give off a shimmery rainbow effect
Gold /2025
Team Color - team logos inset in a border colored to match the team




Golden Mirror - easily identifiable by a largely gold back of card
True Photo - image and Topps logo only on front, no borders
Vintage Stock / Retro /99




Independence Day /76
Canvas /50 - don't have any of these in hand but the texture of the front of the card appears to be noticeably different than your normal base card
Camo /25



Wood /25 - new this year but wood grain stock/texture similar to minis in other products like A&G or 206
Clear / Acetate /10
First Card /1 - identifiable by "First Card" logo in corner of card




Foilfractor /1 - the paper equivalent of a superfractor, has been present in a handful of other products in the past
Printing Plate Black /1
Printing Plate Cyan /1




Printing Plate Magenta /1
Printing Plate Yellow /1




Rainbow / Rainbow Foil / Rainbow Foilboard

This set of parallels are recognizable by the familiar rainbow foil effect we are used to from past Flagship releases, and *no added pattern in the image background* - an important distinction to differentiate between Holo Foil parallels that we'll get to next

Rainbow Foil / Rainbow Foilboard
Aqua Rainbow / Aqua Rainbow Foil / Aqua Rainbow Foilboard
Purple Rainbow / Purple Rainbow Foil / Purple Rainbow Foilboard /250




Blue Rainbow / Blue Rainbow Foil / Blue Rainbow Foilboard /150
Green Rainbow / Green Rainbow Foil / Green Rainbow Foilboard /99
Gold Rainbow / Gold Rainbow Foil / Gold Rainbow Foilboard /50




Orange Rainbow / Orange Rainbow Foil / Orange Rainbow Foilboard /25
Black Rainbow / Black Rainbow Foil / Green Black Foilboard /10
Red Rainbow / Red Rainbow Foil / Red Rainbow Foilboard /5




Holo / Holo Foil

This batch is similar to the rainbow foil variety, but include a shimmery effect in the background and border of the card

Holo / Holo Foil
Pink Holo / Pink Holo Foil
Aqua Holo / Aqua Holo Foil




Purple Holo / Purple Holo Foil /250
Blue Holo / Blue Holo Foil /150
Green Holo / Green Holo Foil /99




Gold Holo / Gold Holo Foil /50
Orange Holo / Orange Holo Foil /25
Black Holo / Black Holo Foil /10




Red Holo / Red Holo Foil /5
Platinum Holo / Platinum Holo Foil /1




Diamante / Diamante Foil

Similar setup with one "base" Diamante parallel and then several different versions of different colors. These all use a diamond-like pattern in the image background and card border

Diamante / Diamante Foil / Silver Diamante
Pink Diamante / Pink Diamante Foil
Gold Diamante / Gold Diamante Foil /50




Orange Diamante / Orange Diamante Foil /25
Black Diamante / Black Diamante Foil /10
Red Diamante / Red Diamante Foil /5




Spring Training / Spring Training Foil / Spring Training Foilboard

These are all distinctive by a palm tree or cactus pattern repeated throughout the card border, representative of the two spring training hubs in Florida and Arizona


Spring Training / Spring Training Foil
Spring Training Green / Spring Training Green Foil / Spring Training Green Foilboard /99
Spring Training Gold / Spring Training Gold Foil / Spring Training Gold Foilboard /50




Spring Training Orange / Spring Training Orange Foil / Spring Training Orange Foilboard /25
Spring Training Red / Spring Training Red Foil / Spring Training Red Foilboard /5
Spring Training Black / Spring Training Black Foil / Spring Training Black Foilboard /1 - I was not able to find an example of this parallel surfacing yet, but it should be just like the others but black and numbered 1/1




Patterns and Tin Variations - Currently unreleased?

I was not able to find examples of any of the parallels in this group, and most of these per Topps' odds sheets come in the tin format - I don't have any info on when these are expected to land, but as I was not able to find any of them yet, I am assuming they have not released yet. I also do not know if all of these parallels are only found in the tins or if any are available in any other formats, but I was not able to dig up examples of them yet. I am imaging that most of these (holiday, eggs, rabbits, etc) will be similar to the past year or two with the given object repeated in a foil background. I may come back and add images to this section once we start to see these pop up, but I'm guessing most of these should be pretty distinctive

Silver Cracked Foilboard / Silver Crackle / Silver Crackle Foilboard - this is what I'm most interested to see, as the name suggests it could be confused with the Diamante or Holo Foil parallels. Topps' odds sheets indicate these will be exclusive to super boxes
Tin Variations - tins only
Holiday - tins only
Topps Foil Pattern - I'm assuming this will have the Topps logo repeated throughout the background. Topps' odds sheet these will be exclusive to Fanatics boxes
Eggs - tins only
Rabbits tins only
Flowers /50 - tins only
Umbrellas /10 - tins only
Watering Cans /5 - tins only
Birds /1 - tins only


Others

Finally, there is a pair of variations that subset a small portion of the checklist that I'll list here just to be complete

Dancing Dodgers - photo variation/SPs with, as the name suggests, a Dodgers player dancing. There are no obvious distinguishing features on these, but you can identify these by having a production code on the back of the card ending with 713
Player Number /XX - pattern repeats the player jersey number throughout the background and border of the card. Card is also serial numbered to the player jersey number, in Skenes' case below, /30





Phew - that was a lot but I think I got most of them. Again, please let me know if I have missed any of them or if any info looks incorrect, and I'll keep this updated for awhile as everyone gets used to all these new ones!
Great informative read. Thanks Hollywood. The Independence and Cam are technically foil too.
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Default 2025 Topps Series 1 Too Early To Talk About It??

I typically open each box until I hit the auto, then take a break. My jumbo case yielded 5 on-card autos, the O’Neill being a 1/1, and a nice Vladi patch auto.

Thinking I should just quit now.




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Opened 2 blasters just to check Series 1 off my list. I ended up liking the design a lot more when viewing it in person. I like the shiny effect on the borders of each card where the names are.

Julio Rodriguez Home Field Advantage
Greg Jones Spring Training Gold Foilboard /50
2 James Wood base RCs

Wood and Matt Shaw will be the two players I go after this year, so I’m very happy to have gotten 2 Wood RCs right off the jump.

Best of luck to others ripping and finding the cards they’re searching for.
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I was getting exhausted trying to sort out what parallel is what and trying to decipher it based on their names and inconsistent eBay listings. So decided to spend the night doing a deep dive to lay it all out as best as I can. I think this is pretty accurate, but please let me know if anything is missing or mislabeled! I'm borrowing pictures from random eBay listings, so bear with me if the quality isn't great on these. But hoping it's enough to where we can start actually knowing what we're looking at
The first Topps Foil parallels (Fanatics box exclusives) are starting to pop up this morning. Added this example to the quoted post

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The number of parallels is terrifying when you put it in image form.
I was thinking the same thing as I scrolled through those images.
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Topps foil parallels? lol Woohoo!
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Fanatics reps sold chrome football for 199.99 and then a few days later called back and said oops the price was supposed to be 319.99.
Holy #@#@#@#@ that's the most cringey thing I've ever heard of from a multi-billion dollar corporation.

That's like something a 12 year old kid at his first garage sale would do.
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Holy #@#@#@#@ that's the most cringey thing I've ever heard of from a multi-billion dollar corporation.

That's like something a 12 year old kid at his first garage sale would do.
Not good business at all. Now the difference they did apply to a gift card for future use. I'm angrier about the fact they haven't even shipped any Series 1 skus they sold yet.
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There has to be something to the theory that early "waves" of retail have better hit rates. I bought ONE fat pack at Walmart and got an auto (Steward Berroa, meh) and TWO hangers and got a golden mirror (Colin Rea, double meh), but still, my luck is generally not that good.
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