Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I'm kinda sorta collecting everything, but I think what I'm going more aggressively after are the variant golds and oranges. I think with the shiny nature of this set, the variant covers just look cooler. I agree with you that the PMGs will probably resonate as the "investment" sets, but on a case by case basis there will be cards in each parallel that do much better than others due to color matches, or the PMG borders.

I feel like with low numbered stuff <100, and especially <50 like the oranges and greens, you just gotta pick and choose…picking up one here, one there. It’s hard to believe people are actually collecting sets of those (I was dabbling in the purple variant covers /25, but I just don’t know).

I love the look the of the oranges. Surprisingly haven’t picked one up yet though since mainly have been looking at other, more attainable stuff. Also haven’t obtained any greens yet, either surge or PMG. That’s on the to-do list. My idea with that is for a master set to just throw in one emerald surge as a cherry on top sort of thing. Some cards are definitely better in various parallels than others, and I have my sights on quite a few parallel-specific cards at the moment.

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

way to go on the purples, Dyna. yowza.

Thanks! Been a blast collecting those. The regular purple set is surprisingly attainable with prices having come down a bunch.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Dang, I'm an idiot I never knew toploader binder pages existed lol that's sick though picking a purple binder was a great touch. Collection coming along nicely will look great as a set, have always loved cracked ice in any form.

In regards to your question, I think overall fullset vs fullset it's PMG's. People will remember the PMG's for the nostalgia factor and there won't even be any more Gold Seismics as Topps doesn't do those obviously. This is on even footing, if a bunch of people put a PMG set together and only say 1-2 people meticulously put a Seismic set together than yeah the market may be higher for the golds based on supply/demand. Another thing and this could be personal but I've never liked odd numbering like /92. Feels like a cheap gimmick to add more parallels tbh, I prefer traditional /99 or 100 /75 /50 /25 /10 /5 /1. May just be me but I couldn't collect a set out of /92 or /8 or something lol last Seismic is numbered less but by 8 and vs a pretty iconic parallel, now if these were outta /50 and PMG's /100 we may have an argument but I think a difference of 8 is basically negligible when you consider PMG's market status.

Randomly came across a 4in purple binder on Amazon searching for something unrelated, so figured gotta do it for this lol. The whole 4in will be needed too since those 4-pocket topoader pages stack up fast with thickness (a set of these will be 25 of those pages- I think it’ll just fit). But yea Ultra Pro makes those toploader pages. They’re essentially just 4-pocket with a flap at the top to contain the toploader, but they work fine.

Good point about it mattering whether more people complete a PMG red set vs either of the gold sets, if we’re talking about an entire set’s value.

In my anecdotal experience so far red PMGs > gold seismics as singles. The market doesn’t seem to be bothered by the PMG issues as much as you’d think. I see common red PMGs pushing $75-100, while common gold seismics as low as $30-40. Seeing some prices almost double for red PMGs. I get it though…PMGs and Marvel are always something special. Even the lone one I have- that busted and bent Sauron that I got in a break- looks really, really nice in person foil-wise, if you can look past the PMGs issues like the borders (which I admittedly can’t).

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

My ranking's would go:

1. Purple Variant /25's(I'd actually go Purple Base /25, if they existed...)

2. Gold Base /92

3. Green /10 & Orange /25 ... I like both but they're just to cost prohibitive

4. PMG's. Ruined. For me, at least.

This is equivalent to my list I think

The gold base vs variant I guess could be wash (and checking prices seem to be on the market), but I’ve always been kinda a base-type person. The “main” one so to speak, and the other is a variant off that.

Completely agree about the purple variants- so nice looking- my fav. Not to discount stuff like mini-boxes and kaleidoscopes, those look pretty fantastic as well. Honorable mention of the holofoils if it wasn’t for those darn centering issues.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

This is equivalent to my list I think

The gold base vs variant I guess could be wash (and checking prices seem to be on the market), but I’ve always been kinda a base-type person. The “main” one so to speak, and the other is a variant off that.

Completely agree about the purple variants- so nice looking- my fav. Not to discount stuff like mini-boxes and kaleidoscopes, those look pretty fantastic as well. Honorable mention of the holofoils if it wasn’t for those darn centering issues.

My list would look a bit different if listing the non-numbered stuff. Was attempting to just stick to numbered. But for fun...

1. Kaleidoscope. Best looking by quite a bit, IMO.

2. Holofoil

3. Purple

4. Mini Box

5. Rainbow

And if I was to do my top 3 from the entire set...

1. Kaleidoscope

2. Purple /25

3. Gold /92

All opinions based on collecting the set vs investing. Sadly, the PMG's will probably be at #1 just passed off them being PMG's. We all know this hobby doesn't make sense in that regard. There are plenty of $0.25 cards that look great, have great art and really are just as nice as many $1,000 cards. Rarity and even perceived rarity > looks though

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Rarity and even perceived rarity > looks though

Yep. This is the story of Marvel cards basically. Some my fav cards ever- original 92MM spectra etch’s, holograms from the 90s etc- go for a couple bucks. A 2013 Marvel Retro PMG Spider-Man using (not great) rehashed art goes for north of $150k. Rarity trumps all. Except in rare cases like the PMGs in this set outselling gold seismics due to PMG being a cult favorite insert.

I have yet to hold a kaleidoscope in hand, so I’ll reserve judgment but they do look nice from scans. I like your top 5 unnumbered list (I’m not even counting vip blacks since not a full size parallel set)….its super hard for me to leave blue traxx out though. From a purely aesthetic viewpoint they are super nice…maybe better than the rainbows. But you do lose the background with them, so I get that.

When ordering parallel sets in my head, I should take heed of Spaceman’s words on this though- character/parallel dependent. Sometimes the broad brush doesn’t work.

Just how awesome does this Iceman color match PMG look…the card basically looks frozen. (And at least the white border issues almost look like a continuation of the ice). Pure aesthetics? I like it more than whatever the green PMG will look like.



And how about this Red Skull Red Prism, about 5ish times more common than the gold seismic below, but which looks better?




The Hulk green PMG someone posted above to- that’ll look better than a gold PMG. It really can be character dependent, but ignoring the rare color matches, I think my lists would almost totally coincide with your lists.

[jubei777]

I got my batch in from comc yesterday and the holofoils are pretty offcentered. Love the kaleidoscopes and wish I had the patience to make more than the Psylocke and white queen. Too bad epack had a limited inventory on MM92 but long term seekers of kaleidoscopes will have it tough if serious collectors hold theirs long term.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by jubei777

I got my batch in from comc yesterday and the holofoils are pretty offcentered. Love the kaleidoscopes and wish I had the patience to make more than the Psylocke and white queen. Too bad epack had a limited inventory on MM92 but long term seekers of kaleidoscopes will have it tough if serious collectors hold theirs long term.

Were there any Holofoils at all that were even somewhat ok centered? Or was every one very bad with the 92MM platinum box almost touching the bottom edge.

Psylocke kaleidoscope must look awesome…congrats! Probably took a lot of effort to make just that.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Question, if you could have one of the following parallel sets, which would you rather have? Red PMG /100 set or Gold Seismic /92 set?

Which one do you think the market will value more?

The gold seismics have the slight edge in numbered out of less, although there’s two entire types of the gold seismics, base and variant, so maybe you should double that. And the red pmgs are, well…pmgs.

I think the market will value a set of red PMGs higher but I’d personally want the gold seismic set more. Partly because the white border issue with the PMGs.

Nice purple collection! I would like to build this set as well, but I have too much on my plate and I would avoid opening blasters. As for gold vs pmg, my view is kind of different from you guys cause I'm not looking at it from the complete set perspective, but instead, mostly from how the silver surfer card look in that set. Since there are no errors in silver surfer pmg, I do prefer it over the gold, actually, I do have some preference for parallel sets that do not cover up the entire background, so I would prefer PMG over emerald surge, lava orange or seismic gold, given that the specific pmg card doesn't have the design flaw.

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I'm kinda sorta collecting everything, but I think what I'm going more aggressively after are the variant golds and oranges. I think with the shiny nature of this set, the variant covers just look cooler. I agree with you that the PMGs will probably resonate as the "investment" sets, but on a case by case basis there will be cards in each parallel that do much better than others due to color matches, or the PMG borders.

I'm sort of undecided at the moment as well, but will likely choose to part with my seismic gold, lava orange, and pmg with border issue for pmg without border issue.

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[DynaEtch]

What a haul there Kobefan! You have the colors of the rainbow basically covered looks like.

Seeing yours, it does look like PMGs are the “prestigious” ones, I’ll admit. That Surfer blue is so cool looking btw, as is the Wolvie red. Maybe it’s the shiny foil (vs chrome which the rest, like gold seismics are). Maybe it’s just this built in perception in the hobby that PMG = valuable…they are called “precious metals” after all, very apt. But I have no question the bigger sales in this product will be PMG related. A PMG without any border issue? I’d put that near the top in aesthetic favs.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

1. I have yet to hold a kaleidoscope in hand, so I’ll reserve judgment but they do look nice from scans. I like your top 5 unnumbered list (I’m not even counting vip blacks since not a full size parallel set)….its super hard for me to leave blue traxx out though. From a purely aesthetic viewpoint they are super nice…maybe better than the rainbows. But you do lose the background with them, so I get that.

When ordering parallel sets in my head, I should take heed of Spaceman’s words on this though- 2. character/parallel dependent. Sometimes the broad brush doesn’t work.

1. To be honest, I haven't either, ha-ha. I have a few, just in the ole inventory on COMC. But(!) I've messed with enough cards, for long enough, to know that if you can get it to look like this in a scan:



I want it(them).

2. Yup, 100% agree. It happens with virtually every set, though. Like:

/63


/99


Team colors look cool but the Purple looks great, IMO.

With that said, I still agree but I can't go jumping down every rabbit hole I see, ha-ha. So, the broad brushed comes in handy sometimes.

[Kobefan]

Upon closer look at the pmg, there seems to be another flaw with this set's pmg. Almost all pmg have certain degree of surface flakes, from little, like my surfer, to noticeably lot, like my moebius and electro. I don't think it's flaking off now, but probably during the manufacturing process, so it might not be for everyone.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

I want it(them).

All I know is I want this one too! Geez that’s nice

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Upon closer look at the pmg, there seems to be another flaw with this set's pmg. Almost all pmg have certain degree of surface flakes, from little, like my surfer, to noticeably lot, like my moebius and electro. I don't think it's flaking off now, but probably during the manufacturing process, so it might not be for everyone.

It’s funny you say this, because yesterday I noticed something with a red PMG I bought off COMC. I bought this epack-fresh Nighthrasher because no border issues and is an aesthetic pmg card (albeit a D to F list character).



But then I zoomed in on that area on upper left and I don’t think it’s from the scan..probably on the card



No idea what’s going on there, or if it’s the same thing you’re talking about, but I will see once I get it shipped home.

Edit: there are also red foil flakes scattered on the back of my Sauron red PMG (yes that Sauron PMG, which came bent and wrecked out of a pack which Upper Deck refused to make right….they still never have…what a way to treat a multiple decade loyal customer UD). The only thing is I don’t know if these spots on the back are normal for PMGs, or if it’s just because the Sauron was so busted up.

[Bunny Hop]

USPS Informed Delivery tells me that I have a package awaiting shipment from Upper Deck so I'm guuuuuuuessing they were able to process my 94 OC base cards. I did a poor job of cataloging what I sent outside of the total b/c I was so fatigued with it all at that point and just wanted to get it in the mail (going to the post office feels like an ultra chore to me). Will continue to update.

[DynaEtch]

Keep us posted Bunny…hope UD can make it right as opposed to my case, where they did nothing at all. UD’s policy is silly with the Diamond thing though…I’ve seen Reddit threads where UD practically bends backwards to correct things (and I wonder how many people are outright gaming that). To give one example for 2 damaged canvas cards (.30 cards on comc at this point), the replacement was 2 numbered pink lasers including a Psylocke. And that’s a case there is no evidence at all…my case the evidence is clear as day pulled on a livestream from a sealed pack. I’m not looking for an upgrade or anything, I just wanted fair compensation of equal value for a card bent in half out of the pack due to their faulty manufacturing. But UD doesn’t care..it’s all about the Diamond thing….its illogical.

Anyway here is how I am currently storing this set
-Numbered hits in toploaders in the 3-row long box (this is so empty because I’m waiting for multiple large shipments from COMC).
-Base sleeved in 4-row monster box
-Lower to mid tier full parallel sets in the two black binders in 9-pocket pages. (Up to like blue traxx variant, leather, lenticular etc)
-All purple stuff in the purple binder.







I’m not quite sure what to do with the approx 2500 base which I assume makes about 20 sets (mostly from 4 blaster cases). I toyed with sending some in to comc since they aren’t on epack, but not sure the value is worth it there. There aren’t many true base on there now but I suspect it’ll change. Has anyone had success moving base sets of this? On eBay? Is there much interest in it?

[DynaEtch]

My two recent pickups, this Thanos vip which seems like it’ll be hard as **** to get down the road so wanted to grab it quickly as possible



And this Tombstone. Great example of a card’s coolness factor surpassing its price, due to Tombstone being D-list.

[Spacemanspif]

confirmation that Dyna is the one sniping all the cards I have my eye on

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

confirmation that Dyna is the one sniping all the cards I have my eye on

Haha. Really not trying to, sorry!

Actually if you mean the Thanos it wasn’t from ebay, was from comc. I thought there was another on eBay but dunno what happened to it.

[One more set]

After much consideration i have decided to build a 100 card set consisting of all different parallels. I think the orange blue red green pink variant kaleidoscope on pages of 9 will break up single colors and look pretty cool.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Keep us posted Bunny…hope UD can make it right as opposed to my case, where they did nothing at all. UD’s policy is silly with the Diamond thing though…I’ve seen Reddit threads where UD practically bends backwards to correct things (and I wonder how many people are outright gaming that). To give one example for 2 damaged canvas cards (.30 cards on comc at this point), the replacement was 2 numbered pink lasers including a Psylocke. And that’s a case there is no evidence at all…my case the evidence is clear as day pulled on a livestream from a sealed pack. I’m not looking for an upgrade or anything, I just wanted fair compensation of equal value for a card bent in half out of the pack due to their faulty manufacturing. But UD doesn’t care..it’s all about the Diamond thing….its illogical.

Anyway here is how I am currently storing this set
-Numbered hits in toploaders in the 3-row long box (this is so empty because I’m waiting for multiple large shipments from COMC).
-Base sleeved in 4-row monster box
-Lower to mid tier full parallel sets in the two black binders in 9-pocket pages. (Up to like blue traxx variant, leather, lenticular etc)
-All purple stuff in the purple binder.







I’m not quite sure what to do with the approx 2500 base which I assume makes about 20 sets (mostly from 4 blaster cases). I toyed with sending some in to comc since they aren’t on epack, but not sure the value is worth it there. There aren’t many true base on there now but I suspect it’ll change. Has anyone had success moving base sets of this? On eBay? Is there much interest in it?

Yes I have. I have no interest in collecting the base or the more common parallel sets, so I have been building sets to sell on eBay and they sell well. Sold base sets at $60 shipped, canvas set for $175 shipped. I still have a few more sets to sell and needed to trade for a few more to make more sets to sell and recuperate some of the funds. I don’t know why it is so hard to find someone to trade with nowadays. Nobody here or at facebook group at the moment are looking to do lower end trading like base, canvas, clear cut, canvas, battle spectrum

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Yes I have. I have no interest in collecting the base or the more common parallel sets, so I have been building sets to sell on eBay and they sell well. Sold base sets at $60 shipped, canvas set for $175 shipped. I still have a few more sets to sell and needed to trade for a few more to make more sets to sell and recuperate some of the funds. I don’t know why it is so hard to find someone to trade with nowadays. Nobody here or at facebook group at the moment are looking to do lower end trading like base, canvas, clear cut, canvas, battle spectrum

Well snap…at $60ish per I should probably move some of that. Better than languishing in a monster box as dupes. I did sell of few lots of basic parallels early on (30 rainbows here, 20 blue traxx there, etc), but once I finally go through mine including the surplus basic parallels I’ll let you know, if you’re still looking to trade.

[jubei777]

I found the centering of the epack holofoils and canvas cards to be pretty off centered from top to bottom and left to right. Almost everything else was pretty good. My PMG of White Queen looks pristine but I remember seeing a Psylocke that had rough corners in the first few days of MM92 hitting epack.

[Swipe79]

The ePack exclusives are an interesting situation - I have a complete MB set and picked out the characters I liked to keep for the scopes.

I opened a bunch, so had lots of MB and scopes to sell as well and put them in my eBay store. I think something that's keeping value down (besides the bonehead pricing of COMC tweakers) is that no one knows what they are. Especially the scopes it seems.

Another issue is I can't put Mini Boxes in my item title as eBay wants me to recategorize the listing into the lots or boxes category based on that word. COMC for instance can't include that word either - so just the word mini works.

[js0000001]

I traded for enough base for 7 Blob MB but stopped because scopes don't sell for 10x a MB

[PumpnDumpling]

Picked up a bunch of ghost rider parallels on comc; up to 5 Mini Boxes, a couple red Prism Cover Variants, VIP Black Achievement, 2 Holofoils

Also snagged a Colossus Kaleidoscope for a decent price

Comc prices have been low enough on some that there is a little retail arbitrage opportunity