First Buzz: 2024 Panini Prizm football cards - Page 10

bub838 · 01-20-2025, 12:02 PM

Cheers to Scheels for cancelling my mega box order over the weekend.

PrinceVegeta · 01-20-2025, 12:05 PM

Sold out instantly at 3k like I figured. Lot of fools out there

Asian62150 · 01-20-2025, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Sold out instantly at 3k like I figured. Lot of fools out there

Yikes

mossoholic · 01-20-2025, 12:09 PM

So the average person with tax probably paid somewhere around $3,200 a box. The top non 1/1 in the set will sell for give or take $550-$600 if Jayden doesn't at least make and probably win the Super Bowl. Pretty sure the 23-24 Prizm basketball sets sold out at a lower price and the Wemby was $2k or so. Granted the ceiling on the 1/1 is way higher than the Prizm Basketball ceiling. I guess these sets are just like all other football wax now. Not worth opening. It took years but they finally got there.

Ichi · 01-20-2025, 12:09 PM

Even if you gem most of the key cards, that's a tough hill to climb.

I would've loved to take a shot on this one but maybe around half the price of $3k.

G'luck to all the gamblers of this one.

mossoholic · 01-20-2025, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichi

Even if you gem most of the key cards, that's a tough hill to climb.

I would've loved to take a shot on this one but maybe around half the price of $3k.

G'luck to all the gamblers of this one.

Based on everything I've read it seems 2024 Prizm gem rate is not great. Sets have traditionally been worse.

Ichi · 01-20-2025, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

Based on everything I've read it seems 2024 Prizm gem rate is not great. Sets have traditionally been worse.

I've already gotten a few Jayden retail parallels in hand, and they are not as clean as you'd hope. I've ripped a few blasters and value packs too, and surface issues exist that you hate to see on such nice looking cards.

Every year is different, and this year may be slightly tougher than average.

ThatGuyPal · 01-20-2025, 12:29 PM

I think you guys are forgetting Bo Nix, Maye, Caleb Williams etc exist. I didn't buy this although I've bought previous ones, but six QB's went in the first, the only real position that matters so if you're gonna take a shot on these this is prob the year. In addition different from when I bought these half these guys don't even have Panini autos so while not the true 1/1 a 1:400 chance at a 1/1 Daniels who doesn't have autos is even bigger. Also I saw in the Topps Now thread I think about Ohtani's 50/50 auto that the odds are better than the lottery for what it'll sell for. Now while there is a massive difference between that and this I don't think it's bad odds you have at least a 3/400 chance at a card that's $10K plus as I think Nix, Williams, Daniels get there at least. It's actually a better gamble for the price than most rips odds wise. That's not factoring in other cards like Mahomes that with a SP bowl win will easily pay for the box with the 1/1.

As someone who has bought before if people feel it's not worth opening that's actually a good thing. A few big 1/1's were pulled pretty quickly when I bought mine and people even made trackers lol so once more and more good 1/1's pop and there's only 400 values decreases. Like if it's posted next week Williams and Daniels got pulled I'd be surprised it doesn't affect prices but again thats why you gamble on a year with six QB's. The less is known about 1/1's aka not opening the better, heck if a good one is pulled and kept quiet it's better as people will still think it's potentially in there. It also hurts as more pandoras graded and non hit the market. If people keep these sealed it's best for all, only downside if all six QB's end up like T-Law's class.

Ichi · 01-20-2025, 12:37 PM

The one thing this tells you though, the Jayden hype is huge (as expected). I can imagine a few of the buyers being more "casual" and not meta ripper/grader/flipper types.

Actually, typing that out seems weird. Casual 3k spenders....well, maybe not. We were in this boat not too long ago with the Wemby Mercury boxes.

Yeah, doesn't take a lot to find 400 people able to feed into the mania. This was the perfect time to release this product, as someone else mentioned.

mossoholic · 01-20-2025, 12:38 PM

Pay around $3200 for a 3/400 chance at a $10k+ card. That’s guy who buys into football break math if I’ve ever read it.

On the /400 again they are probably not gradable. Maye, McCarthy, and Penix /400s won’t cover anywhere near as much as you may think.

hermanotarjeta · 01-20-2025, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

Pay around $3200 for a 3/400 chance at a $10k+ card. That’s guy who buys into football break math if I’ve ever read it.

On the /400 again they are probably not gradable. Maye, McCarthy, and Penix /400s won’t cover anywhere near as much as you may think.

Hey, you can’t win if you don’t play.

Sincerely,

Degenerate gambler bois

Ichi · 01-20-2025, 12:46 PM

You're right though, six QBs with real value this year along with some superstar WRs and the #1 tight end rookie we've seen in a while. Plus all of the Mahomes, Allens, Lamars, Burrows types, etc.

I also agree on the unique point of there not being autos going out of 4 of the 6 top QB rookies, so a 1/1 Prizm parallel is going to have more of a premium. It makes sense on how it can approach a higher value than one would rationally think.

A lot of this is already factored in when using realistic expectations and numbers though, which makes me think $3k is still at least $1k too expensive.

mossoholic · 01-20-2025, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichi

You're right though, six QBs with real value this year along with some superstar WRs and the #1 tight end rookie we've seen in a while. Plus all of the Mahomes, Allens, Lamars, Burrows types, etc.

I also agree on the unique point of there not being autos going out of 4 of the 6 top QB rookies, so a 1/1 Prizm parallel is going to have more of a premium. It makes sense on how it can approach a higher value than one would rationally think.

A lot of this is already factored in when using realistic expectations and numbers though, which makes me think $3k is still at least $1k too expensive.

These QBs have great value yet until Jayden won these 2 games, almost all 2024 wax was at or below 2023. Even BO only set preorder of I think just Prizm higher on 2024 than 2023. Id have to check everything but pretty sure many 2023 still higher than 2024.

premium1981 · 01-20-2025, 01:12 PM

Just goes to show you how strong our hobby is and how much money is flowing through it. The price doesn't make sense, but that isn't new. Best of luck to anyone who snagged one at that price.

Siberian13 · 01-20-2025, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Just goes to show you how strong our hobby is and how much money is flowing through it. The price doesn't make sense, but that isn't new. Best of luck to anyone who snagged one at that price.

Until they can’t pay their credit cards.

premium1981 · 01-20-2025, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Until they can’t pay their credit cards.

There are definitely people like that, but there are also a lot of people who have disposable income. Going as fast as it did, it isn't a bunch of individuals buying them. It was a handful of people with deep pockets. Could be individuals or could be breakers. Regardless, it went way too high.

Crazy times, but its still fun.

Siberian13 · 01-20-2025, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

There are definitely people like that, but there are also a lot of people who have disposable income. Going as fast as it did, it isn't a bunch of individuals buying them. It was a handful of people with deep pockets. Could be individuals or could be breakers. Regardless, it went way too high.

Crazy times, but its still fun.

Jayden should carry this years product now. If he beats the eagles, uh oh. Sucks it all comes out after the season is over though.

Asian62150 · 01-20-2025, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Just goes to show you how strong our hobby is and how much money is flowing through it. The price doesn't make sense, but that isn't new. Best of luck to anyone who snagged one at that price.

I think it's more an indicator of how strong the gambling appeal is within the hobby.

If your goal was to make money, this was not the product to buy at that price point. Especially with the work involved.

If you were looking for a thrill and a 0.25% chance of pulling a Jayden 1/1, sure...knock yourself out.

yoyosh · 01-20-2025, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think it's more an indicator of how strong the gambling appeal is within the hobby.

If your goal was to make money, this was not the product to buy at that price point. Especially with the work involved.

If you were looking for a thrill and a 0.25% chance of pulling a Jayden 1/1, sure...knock yourself out.

Thank you. None of this is about collecting, it's about gambling.
Fanatics/Topps supercharged it with the Topps Now/Ohtani 5050 thing and it's only going to get worse. If you're just in it for the thrill and the gamble, you're going to love the future of this "hobby"

premium1981 · 01-20-2025, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think it's more an indicator of how strong the gambling appeal is within the hobby.
.

The hobby has always had a gambling appeal, its just higher stakes now. Opening a product has always had a touch of "you don't know whats inside" to it. Even 20 years ago. Its just a higher buy in now, with higher highs and lower lows. Those who thinking the gambling aspect is a new thing are wrong. The difference is how its presented now. Again, you have the higher stakes, but you also have the breaker aspect now which fractionalizes the risk into smaller chunks. But I've stated before on the baseball boards, that it doesn't matter where the demand comes from. Demand is demand. And there is more demand now than ever before.

premium1981 · 01-20-2025, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by yoyosh

Thank you. None of this is about collecting, it's about gambling.
Fanatics/Topps supercharged it with the Topps Now/Ohtani 5050 thing and it's only going to get worse. If you're just in it for the thrill and the gamble, you're going to love the future of this "hobby"

I'm assuming by this type of comment you are one of the self proclaimed "true collectors" of the hobby? How do you get your cards? Where do they come from? I've never understood why "collectors" hate the "gamblers". They are the ones who are giving you access to all of these singles at much better prices than you could get by buying wax. Even at pre-inflated prices. The hobby needs all to thrive, and it has all. Collectors, investors, breakers, flippers, rippers, savers, deep pockets, shallow pockets, and so forth. Just because you are in one category doesn't mean you have to turn your nose up to the other categories. The only legitimate reason I can think of why anyone does that is jealousy. Let collectors collect, and let the gamblers gamble. There is room for all.

pac213up · 01-20-2025, 02:36 PM

It is kind of comical at this point. I hate to think of the credit card debt people are accumulating while Breakers are stacking house money.

Siberian13 · 01-20-2025, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pac213up

It is kind of comical at this point. I hate to think of the credit card debt people are accumulating while Breakers are stacking house money.

Someone showed me credit card interest rates have gone from 12% to 22% on avg. in 10 years. Some people getting cards with 35% rates. That’s insane

hermanotarjeta · 01-20-2025, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

I'm assuming by this type of comment you are one of the self proclaimed "true collectors" of the hobby? How do you get your cards? Where do they come from? I've never understood why "collectors" hate the "gamblers". They are the ones who are giving you access to all of these singles at much better prices than you could get by buying wax. Even at pre-inflated prices. The hobby needs all to thrive, and it has all. Collectors, investors, breakers, flippers, rippers, savers, deep pockets, shallow pockets, and so forth. Just because you are in one category doesn't mean you have to turn your nose up to the other categories. The only legitimate reason I can think of why anyone does that is jealousy. Let collectors collect, and let the gamblers gamble. There is room for all.

The way the degenerates overpay for their fix - they are in serious need of mental health assistance!

The worst part is - they aren’t even aware of their addiction problems.

If all one cares about is the flip and profit aspect of the hobby, I can see the lack of sympathy.

But from the hobbyist standpoint point - it’s disturbing to observe the transgressions.

pac213up · 01-20-2025, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Someone showed me credit card interest rates have gone from 12% to 22% on avg. in 10 years. Some people getting cards with 35% rates. That’s insane

35% interest on Prizm breaks and eggs. Sounds like a good time.

01-20-2025, 12:09 PM	#229
mossoholic Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,422	So the average person with tax probably paid somewhere around $3,200 a box. The top non 1/1 in the set will sell for give or take $550-$600 if Jayden doesn't at least make and probably win the Super Bowl. Pretty sure the 23-24 Prizm basketball sets sold out at a lower price and the Wemby was $2k or so. Granted the ceiling on the 1/1 is way higher than the Prizm Basketball ceiling. I guess these sets are just like all other football wax now. Not worth opening. It took years but they finally got there. Last edited by mossoholic; 01-20-2025 at 12:09 PM. Reason: edit

01-20-2025, 02:36 PM	#247
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	It is kind of comical at this point. I hate to think of the credit card debt people are accumulating while Breakers are stacking house money. __________________ "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

01-20-2025, 12:02 PM	#226
bub838 Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 5,080	Cheers to Scheels for cancelling my mega box order over the weekend.

01-20-2025, 12:05 PM	#227
PrinceVegeta Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,513	Sold out instantly at 3k like I figured. Lot of fools out there

01-20-2025, 12:09 PM	#230
Ichi Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Texas Posts: 124 highgradepat	Even if you gem most of the key cards, that's a tough hill to climb. I would've loved to take a shot on this one but maybe around half the price of $3k. G'luck to all the gamblers of this one.

01-20-2025, 12:29 PM	#233
ThatGuyPal Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 4,257	I think you guys are forgetting Bo Nix, Maye, Caleb Williams etc exist. I didn't buy this although I've bought previous ones, but six QB's went in the first, the only real position that matters so if you're gonna take a shot on these this is prob the year. In addition different from when I bought these half these guys don't even have Panini autos so while not the true 1/1 a 1:400 chance at a 1/1 Daniels who doesn't have autos is even bigger. Also I saw in the Topps Now thread I think about Ohtani's 50/50 auto that the odds are better than the lottery for what it'll sell for. Now while there is a massive difference between that and this I don't think it's bad odds you have at least a 3/400 chance at a card that's $10K plus as I think Nix, Williams, Daniels get there at least. It's actually a better gamble for the price than most rips odds wise. That's not factoring in other cards like Mahomes that with a SP bowl win will easily pay for the box with the 1/1. As someone who has bought before if people feel it's not worth opening that's actually a good thing. A few big 1/1's were pulled pretty quickly when I bought mine and people even made trackers lol so once more and more good 1/1's pop and there's only 400 values decreases. Like if it's posted next week Williams and Daniels got pulled I'd be surprised it doesn't affect prices but again thats why you gamble on a year with six QB's. The less is known about 1/1's aka not opening the better, heck if a good one is pulled and kept quiet it's better as people will still think it's potentially in there. It also hurts as more pandoras graded and non hit the market. If people keep these sealed it's best for all, only downside if all six QB's end up like T-Law's class.

01-20-2025, 12:37 PM	#234
Ichi Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Texas Posts: 124 highgradepat	The one thing this tells you though, the Jayden hype is huge (as expected). I can imagine a few of the buyers being more "casual" and not meta ripper/grader/flipper types. Actually, typing that out seems weird. Casual 3k spenders....well, maybe not. We were in this boat not too long ago with the Wemby Mercury boxes. Yeah, doesn't take a lot to find 400 people able to feed into the mania. This was the perfect time to release this product, as someone else mentioned.

01-20-2025, 12:38 PM	#235
mossoholic Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,422	Pay around $3200 for a 3/400 chance at a $10k+ card. That’s guy who buys into football break math if I’ve ever read it. On the /400 again they are probably not gradable. Maye, McCarthy, and Penix /400s won’t cover anywhere near as much as you may think.

01-20-2025, 12:46 PM	#237
Ichi Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Texas Posts: 124 highgradepat	You're right though, six QBs with real value this year along with some superstar WRs and the #1 tight end rookie we've seen in a while. Plus all of the Mahomes, Allens, Lamars, Burrows types, etc. I also agree on the unique point of there not being autos going out of 4 of the 6 top QB rookies, so a 1/1 Prizm parallel is going to have more of a premium. It makes sense on how it can approach a higher value than one would rationally think. A lot of this is already factored in when using realistic expectations and numbers though, which makes me think $3k is still at least $1k too expensive.

01-20-2025, 01:12 PM	#239
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,385	Just goes to show you how strong our hobby is and how much money is flowing through it. The price doesn't make sense, but that isn't new. Best of luck to anyone who snagged one at that price.