Why is Zach Edey so bad?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by MasonAsher

They are a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA. Their defensive game plan is fine.

In games where he's played 25+ minutes they are 3-2 and he's averaging 12/10.

His growth is going to be slow due to the system that is in place. The Grizzlies are good - they aren't going to let him play through mistakes like GG Jackson last year. He was playing 34 minutes a game last year and Edey is only at 21 minutes a game.

Against the Lakers - shot 3-8 and lost them the game by getting cooked by Anthony Davis in clutch time.

The Clippers where he shot 1-8 in a loss.

Then Hawks, Nets, Raptors, Pelicans.

So it's exactly what I said. He plays more minutes in games against bad teams that don't matter and when he plays more against good teams they lose.

You're an Edey fan, it's fine. I could pull 100 different clips and break down all the film and it wouldn't matter.

Collect and root for who you like.

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Against the Lakers - shot 3-8 and lost them the game by getting cooked by Anthony Davis in clutch time.

The Clippers where he shot 1-8 in a loss.

Then Hawks, Nets, Raptors, Pelicans.

So it's exactly what I said. He plays more minutes in games against bad teams that don't matter and when he plays more against good teams they lose.

You're an Edey fan, it's fine. I could pull 100 different clips and break down all the film and it wouldn't matter.

Collect and root for who you like.

LOL. I'll go ahead and just bow out of here and come back in 5 years, right or wrong.

You're pulling random numbers out of thin air, though...so you're skewing numbers toward your own points. Just not going to mention the 8 points, 7 rebounds in 15 minutes in a win against them? How about the 13 points, 10 rebound game in 24 minutes in a loss?

Sure - I'll mention the 12 point, 8 rebound game off the bench when he played 26 minutes in a loss. The horrors...a rookie shooting 3/8 in his 9th game. Putrid.

However, Edey getting cooked by AD in crunch time? Edey came into the game at the 9:10 mark in the 4th quarter and exited at the 1:04 mark (played 8:06 in the 4th).

In that time frame AD scored the following:
6:15 - turnaround 2
5:51 - 1/2 FT
4:51 - 3
3:49 - 3

So 8 points in about 2:30 minutes.

Shot at 6:15 - JJJ was defending him
FT at 5:51 - Edey fouled him
4:51 - Edey was helping on the drive and Knecht kicked out. He was in position.
3:49 - LeBron/AD PNR, maybe a miscommunication as they should have switched as Edey 100% switched the high PNR.

Let's not talk about the missed shots by AD though when Edey was defending him.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

looking at stats without understanding what they mean is worse then not understanding what you're watching on the court

analytics are an addition to and not a substitute for watching games. Most advanced analytics are taken out of context anyways because most people don't know how to use them and don't know what they mean. Edey has a .8 EPM this year, Luke Kornet has a 1.1, and Bam Adebayo has a .4.

If you just blindly looked at stats you'd say Kornet was the best player out of that group

I don't even know what solid means. If by solid you mean above average, than no. If by solid you mean a 10 year career 8th man? Sure

Boban had a 9 year NBA career for no reason other than being 7'4.

The fact that he wasn't a late 2nd round pick just shows how truly terrible this draft was and also how badly the Grizzlies reached. He's the 5th best C drafted depending on whether you think Sarr is a 5 or not.

Clearly you can't only look at stats. That is obvious to anyone with a brain.

You're awfully emotional here. Mentioning Boban? Lol. His rookie season is already better than anything Boban has done.

5th best C in the draft? So you are hating on Edey but Clingan is given a pass? Lol. And yeah, Yves Missi piling up stats on the worst team in the league is awfully impressive.

So why do you hate the guy so much?

[Siberian13]

If you’re 7’4” and not shooting 12 three pointers a game you’re useless in today’s trash nba.

[jcardstore]

It’s ok BO will be wrong like always. I’m always the hater until I’m right. Wiseman, Jalen Green, Knox, Josh Jackson, Harry Giles lol. I need to keep a running list of guys blowout hyped up that were just straight up bad players

BO hypes up such random players sometimes. I guess desperate times call gor desperate measures when you’ve got cards to pump and the rookie class is the worst ever.

[kipgen]

He looked okay in the rockets vs grizz yesterday but didnt really leap off the screen or anything like that

He seems like he's very in the rudy gobert archetype which is already outdated but coming into the league now and looking at dudes like edey next to dudes like sengun, sabonis, jokic, chet, wemby who have a lot of offensive flexibility in the five spot... it doesn't really bode well

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It’s ok BO will be wrong like always. I’m always the hater until I’m right. Wiseman, Jalen Green, Knox, Josh Jackson, Harry Giles lol. I need to keep a running list of guys blowout hyped up that were just straight up bad players

BO hypes up such random players sometimes. I guess desperate times call gor desperate measures when you’ve got cards to pump and the rookie class is the worst ever.

No one is hyping him up. I’m simply defending that he’s not useless as you said. 10/7 as a rookie isn’t useless. No one said he’s a Top 15 center in the league, heck he’s not even a Top 200 player in the league…

But, go ahead and make stuff up. I’d love to see one of these Zach Edey hype posts you mention.

[RainCityShecks]

He came from a college system in which his skill set doesn’t transfer (well) to the current NBA game. He’s a rookie. He’s got time to develop. I’ll be interested to revisit this topic in his 3rd year. He seems serviceable now and decent when he gets minutes. He’s not nearly as slow and plodding as I thought in fact he looks pretty athletic for his size….he’s got time to come around and I think he’s got the goods to do so.


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[ninjacookies]

> reads thread title
> mental jcard POV immediately hits




Not a single disappointment was had.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It’s ok BO will be wrong like always. I’m always the hater until I’m right. Wiseman, Jalen Green, Knox, Josh Jackson, Harry Giles lol. I need to keep a running list of guys blowout hyped up that were just straight up bad players

BO hypes up such random players sometimes. I guess desperate times call gor desperate measures when you’ve got cards to pump and the rookie class is the worst ever.

Before you create this running list of guys you think you were right about, perhaps you could share the list of Blowout posters hyping Edey? Lets start there.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Before you create this running list of guys you think you were right about, perhaps you could share the list of Blowout posters hyping Edey? Lets start there.

Well I was right about all those guys.

I also don’t care enough to go back and search for who said what. I hope everyone watched the game tonight. It was just a great game overall and an absolute perfect example of how bad Edey is defensively

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Well I was right about all those guys.

I also don’t care enough to go back and search for who said what. I hope everyone watched the game tonight. It was just a great game overall and an absolute perfect example of how bad Edey is defensively

Nice deflection and non-answer. Literally no one on this board has been hyping him up lol

[MasonAsher]

Don't go through this X thread. You might see how bad Edey is...

if you just ignore the fact that his 15 games in a row of positive +/- is the most in a row of a rookie since the 90's

if you ignore his defensive EPM this season is 87th percentile

if you ignore that Edey has a better defended FG% around the rim than Anthony Davis, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid and Bam Adebayo this season

if you ignore that he already has more transition points in 20 games with Memphis than he did in 73 games during his entire junior and senior years at Purdue.

He's just so bad and not serviceable. Especially when we cherry pick a few defensive trips down the floor.

https://x.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1874501700205314058

[MasonAsher]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

how bad Edey is defensively

Really bad.

https://x.com/EdeyMuse/status/1878252097004597610

[ninjacookies]

FWIW I think Edey will be a fine rotational player in the long run.

However, he's going to have a difficult time anchoring a starting position with extended minutes in the long run due to:

- his difficulty being drawn out on perimeter defense vs. more mobile/3-level bigs
- his lack of dynamic playmaking ability himself

If this were even 7-8 years ago it may have been different for him. But those Steven Adams types are unfortunately starting to get phased out of the modern NBA. And dudes like Zubac are on the brink of extinction. The only exceptions are dudes that are masterful on defense and execute the pnr exceptionally well.

I'm interested to watch him though. I really like the Grizzlies team as a silent potential threat.

[LondonGames]

I watch a lot of Memphis games... I've watched a lot of Zach Edey since college. He is a really easy target, mostly because of how awkward he looks on the court and how he moves.

But past those points, I don't understand what jcardstore is saying. Basically any points that are brought up are met with "just watch him". As if he's the only one who has watched Zach Edey or watches basketball? Again, confused. "just watch him" cannot be a valid response to those who believe they are watching someone who is doing just fine, can it?

Aside from "just watch him", there's a couple points to consider. First of all, Memphis is a pretty well run organization. Some might say one of the best. Zach is starting over Brandon Clarke and Santi Aldama. Memphis has went small in the past using lineups where JJJ is PF/C, with the combinations cited before, or Xavier Tillman, or Ziaire Williams, or whatever other combinations they had. I'm not checking, and only going from memory. But the fact remains, he is starting for a pretty damn good team with a pretty damn good coach (I think so at least), so could he actually BE BAD?

The other points are the numbers. On the surface, it's going to be hard to find players let alone rookies, that had his PTs & REBs per 48 and FG % FT %, and his STL/BLK/TO (his TO's are high), that were simply bad players.

Anyways, the dunking on him seems unnecessary at best and childish at worst. No idea where this would be coming from.

If you really don't like him and really think he sucks, you should first off be pointing and laughing at Memphis & Taylor Jenkins for being crackpots for costing their 25-14 team wins.. the reality is probably though that if he wasn't starting, they wouldn't have won as many games. Stats and "oh no he's so bad" matter, but chemistry is a thing too.

[ninjacookies]

Jcard really is on his ish, though. Called it on Lulu, 'Can' Thomas, Jaylen Johnson...just a few to mention. You can peep his track record.

Made me tuck my tail on the Lord Sekou gravy train, which was a tough ivermectin pill to swallow. But in the end, it was the right thing to do.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Jcard really is on his ish, though. Called it on Lulu, 'Can' Thomas, Jaylen Johnson...just a few to mention. You can peep his track record.

Made me tuck my tail on the Lord Sekou gravy train, which was a tough ivermectin pill to swallow. But in the end, it was the right thing to do.

There's always ledell eackles and uwe blab tho..that counts for somethin

[packman80]

Not following him is he doing what he did in college just running over people and expecting the ref to call the foul on the other team for being in his way?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Chris P

There's always ledell eackles and uwe blab tho..that counts for somethin

[Harper]

I don’t understand why someone would waste so much time posting about someone they don’t like. I think BO hypes players because it would be weird to randomly hate on a 5-10 position slot.

I dont know that I’ve ever hated the 8th man on a team so much that I would get into all the analytics of why I hate them. Definitely not on a collecting forum… maybe realGM on team boards where contracts and cap and chemistry are important. Would I buy an expensive Edey card, no. Would I research why others shouldn’t? Nope.

I get the question was asked…. Still just seems like a waste of energy

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

I watch a lot of Memphis games... I've watched a lot of Zach Edey since college. He is a really easy target, mostly because of how awkward he looks on the court and how he moves.

But past those points, I don't understand what jcardstore is saying. Basically any points that are brought up are met with "just watch him". As if he's the only one who has watched Zach Edey or watches basketball? Again, confused. "just watch him" cannot be a valid response to those who believe they are watching someone who is doing just fine, can it?

Aside from "just watch him", there's a couple points to consider. First of all, Memphis is a pretty well run organization. Some might say one of the best. Zach is starting over Brandon Clarke and Santi Aldama. Memphis has went small in the past using lineups where JJJ is PF/C, with the combinations cited before, or Xavier Tillman, or Ziaire Williams, or whatever other combinations they had. I'm not checking, and only going from memory. But the fact remains, he is starting for a pretty damn good team with a pretty damn good coach (I think so at least), so could he actually BE BAD?

The other points are the numbers. On the surface, it's going to be hard to find players let alone rookies, that had his PTs & REBs per 48 and FG % FT %, and his STL/BLK/TO (his TO's are high), that were simply bad players.

Anyways, the dunking on him seems unnecessary at best and childish at worst. No idea where this would be coming from.

If you really don't like him and really think he sucks, you should first off be pointing and laughing at Memphis & Taylor Jenkins for being crackpots for costing their 25-14 team wins.. the reality is probably though that if he wasn't starting, they wouldn't have won as many games. Stats and "oh no he's so bad" matter, but chemistry is a thing too.

You wanna know why I tell people to just watch? Because people here don’t watch games, they catch some highlights, look at some box scores, and just pull random meaningless stats out of thin air to prove something that’s not even true.

People can define good however they want. I’ve said it several times now. If you think having a 10 year career as a backup big who plays 15-20mpg and has some occasional good games against bad teams? I’m with you

The real issue with people on BO specifically is that they become financially attached to players and can never let it go. So I say some thing (reality) that they perceive negatively and they randomly will post highlights and box scores like “omg you’re so wrong look he had a block he’s so good on defense”

Back to yesterday.

Edey starts the 4th quarter. Immediately the wolves put him in high PnR and generate 3? 4? Straight wide open 3s because he cannot come out to the perimeter. 3 minutes in and Jenkins pulls him because the wolves were just targeting him every time down the floor.

Game goes back and forth, ends up tied and they bring him back in the game with a couple minutes left, presumably for some rebounding help (which makes sense tactically because the Grizzlies don’t really have any great rebounders and Edey is a giant person). As a side, he grabbed a lot of offensive rebounds today, that’s a positive thing…. Anyways, so it’s tied and they bring him back in, the first thing he does is foul, kind of ticky tack but ok. Then literally the first thing the wolves do is put him in the PnR and AE just makes a bad pass despite having Jaden wide open for a 3. Then next possession he fumbles a ball and is too slow back down the floor, and the very next possession too slow down the floor again and gives up a wide open dunk to Rudy. He’s pulled not even a minute into that rotation because he single handedly gave up 4 really bad points that could have easily been 7

People will ignore when I say that he’s a situation backup big at bestand they’ll just post some random highlight and say haha you’re wrong look at this every 20th game for a couple years. This has been a trend for the last few years here on blowout so I’ve embraced the hater role. I’ll be the “hater” because I’m right.

Would be a fun exercise to go back to my thread about Luka being the best player in 2018 draft so we can see how everybody told me how wrong I was and didn’t know what I was talking about etc.

Then in a desperate attempt to prove me wrong, people just say random out of context stuff that makes no sense. 15 games of positive +\-? Who cares it doesn’t mean anything other than the Grizzlies are really good. When I say his real plus minus is negative it gets met with crickets. Or that his EPM is 87th percentile (which is not true btw he’s 78th so I’ll give that guy the benefit of the doubt for a typo but it wouldn’t matter either way) when I mention that Luke Kornet has a better EPM and ask about the methodology and how it’s calculated I get met with crickets again.

Nobody wants to address any of the points I make directly because they can’t refute them and don’t even understand the stats they’re talking about anyways

So yes, people should watch games and use their brain instead of just being mad at me for being a hater and accurately describing a players game.

[jcardstore]

My track record of picking players both positive and negative on here is damn near perfect… not because I’m some amazing basketball mind, but because the average person on BO either doesn’t watch at all, or has no clue what they are watching

[matt roberson]

So much disrespect for Boban.

Man is a saint, a true man of the people. Giving out free chicken whenever the chance arises.

do better BO.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Nobody wants to address any of the points I make directly because they can’t refute them and don’t even understand the stats they’re talking about anyways

I honestly read the entire first page, and the only "points" I saw you make were:

Boban is 7'4 too (stated twice)
Completely useless outside of 3 ft
he looks good because this draft is bad

Did I miss something? I honestly have zero clue how you can expect anyone to address the points that you made. You didn't make any real coherent ones that anyone could take seriously or respond to directly.

If you think you did, state them clearly. Leave out all the BS about you having a perfect track record and to watch games.

Saying "no one on BO watches games" is about as childish as it gets. You instantly lose all credibility after such statements.