Lebron James, I’m convinced

[RKH916]

What do we mean by "athlete", here? If you're talking about athletic ability into advanced age (longevity), he might well be. He's definitely the best basketball laboratory experiment thus far.

As for basketball player - all things considered - nope. He has not, and will not surpass MJ. And no, he wasn't Jordan at the peak of his powers, either.

Something needs to be said re: the impact of the evolution of the game on how we view statistical prowess. A triple double now is not the same as a triple double in 2000. Nor is the motivation behind achieving a triple double. Even the method(s) through which one acquires one has changed, particularly in terms of accumulating rebounds. All of this has been a natural extension of the introduction of the quasi-zone. By 2006 players like AI were able to maneuver into paint more freely than they ever had before; it is not coincidental that Iverson became more efficient on even higher volume, and he didn't mysteriously become a more talented player than he was prior. It is also not coincidental that Tony Parker and Steve Nash were dominating the paint, ranging between 70-75% - a stark improvement to years prior.

I recently went back and watched some full games of Wizard Jordan. His off-ball, and defensive-end exertion was far beyond most players in today's game, and part of that is due to the evolution of the game. The ability to coast, hide on defense, and breeze through a game is much easier now. Breathers are easily acquired. It's actually somewhat embedded into defensive and offensive structures.

30 point triple doubles, nowadays, are somewhat routinely accumulating through what appears to be just the natural flow of the game, rather than a standout, gargantuan individual effort.

Recency bias has a tremendous effect here and it's actually rather hard to compartmentalize everything appropriately to account for the gradual but drastic changes that have occurred over time.

At any rate, I am absolutely certain that if the assertion here is that LBJ > MJ... then you are wrong

[ninjacookies]

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[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by rats60

there were a lot of people that expected lebron to win his last two years in cleveland. The cavs had the best record in the nba both years. At a minimum they should have made the finals and we could have seen lebron and kobe go head to head on the biggest stage.

It was shocking when he formed his superteam in miami and lebron was 3rd on the team in scoring as they lost in the finals to dallas. The last season, people did expect the heat to win against the team they beat the previous season.

It wasn't a surprise that the lakers won in 2020. They did have the best record in the western conference as well as 2 1st team all nba players.

Keep on trying to rewrite history.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by RKH916

What do we mean by "athlete", here? If you're talking about athletic ability into advanced age (longevity), he might well be. He's definitely the best basketball laboratory experiment thus far.

As for basketball player - all things considered - nope. He has not, and will not surpass MJ. And no, he wasn't Jordan at the peak of his powers, either.

Something needs to be said re: the impact of the evolution of the game on how we view statistical prowess. A triple double now is not the same as a triple double in 2000. Nor is the motivation behind achieving a triple double. Even the method(s) through which one acquires one has changed, particularly in terms of accumulating rebounds. All of this has been a natural extension of the introduction of the quasi-zone. By 2006 players like AI were able to maneuver into paint more freely than they ever had before; it is not coincidental that Iverson became more efficient on even higher volume, and he didn't mysteriously become a more talented player than he was prior. It is also not coincidental that Tony Parker and Steve Nash were dominating the paint, ranging between 70-75% - a stark improvement to years prior.

I recently went back and watched some full games of Wizard Jordan. His off-ball, and defensive-end exertion was far beyond most players in today's game, and part of that is due to the evolution of the game. The ability to coast, hide on defense, and breeze through a game is much easier now. Breathers are easily acquired. It's actually somewhat embedded into defensive and offensive structures.

30 point triple doubles, nowadays, are somewhat routinely accumulating through what appears to be just the natural flow of the game, rather than a standout, gargantuan individual effort.

Recency bias has a tremendous effect here and it's actually rather hard to compartmentalize everything appropriately to account for the gradual but drastic changes that have occurred over time.

At any rate, I am absolutely certain that if the assertion here is that LBJ > MJ... then you are wrong

when you see Jokic making triple double every other day then you know it's not a hard feat

[tjforce]

The chase down block in Game 7 was soo cool to see live...



Maybe the greatest single play display of athleticism, if you weight the stakes of the play.

Was anybody else there to witness it?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The chase down block in Game 7 was soo cool to see live...



Maybe the greatest single play display of athleticism, if you weight the stakes of the play.

Was anybody else there to witness it?

imagine if he would have completed the and 1 dunk on dray. would have had that highlight to go with the block.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The chase down block in Game 7 was soo cool to see live...



Maybe the greatest single play display of athleticism, if you weight the stakes of the play.

Was anybody else there to witness it?

And yet it’s technically basket interference to trap the ball like that

[hermanotarjeta]

His most enduring quality has got to be his Leflopping.

An art he never perfected. In fact, he was quite horrible at it, even with almost two decades of practice.

You have to admire his attempts to perfect the art.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

imagine if he would have completed the and 1 dunk on dray. would have had that highlight to go with the block.

The fact 1 Draymond kick to LeBron's nuts is the reason the Warriors didn't 4-peat...

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

And yet it’s technically basket interference to trap the ball like that

I bet you are on Reddit a lot

[mikejones]

LeFlop James. LeCry James. LeDiddy James. LeWho Cares James.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by mikejones

LeFlop James. LeCry James. LeDiddy James. LeWho Cares James.

This is weird

[mikejones]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The chase down block in Game 7 was soo cool to see live...



Maybe the greatest single play display of athleticism, if you weight the stakes of the play.

Was anybody else there to witness it?

I can think of 2 that are better. Darrell Green and D K Metcalf chase down.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This is weird

That last "nickname"....it's like he gave up trying.
"Le-......uh......yeah, whatever" LOL

[BGT Masters]

I'm sure there are many better all around athletes but anytime I hear that phrase I immediately think Bo Jackson. Its a shame he got hurt in that Bengals game.

[the mesiah]

Originally Posted by mikejones

I can think of 2 that are better. Darrell Green and D K Metcalf chase down.

If football it is ..then I got the GOAT chase down !

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Apples and Oranges for Golf. Jack hit with a freaking wooden mallet for all intents and purposes

Different thread though

If Jack and Tiger's respective contemporaries/opponents were using the same equipment as them, does it matter?

I don't play a lot of golf so I'm out of my element. Is it easier to dominate everyone else with today's golf club technology?

Back to the thread, what LeBron has done is impressive. We can argue who is the goat and that's fun and all, but LeBron is a unique talent who is the league's all-time leading scorer when scoring is not even his best skill.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

when scoring is not even his best skill.

I'm so tired of this ridiculous narrative.

"LeBroN iS A PaSs F1rsT PlaYeR!!"

Yes, scoring is LeBron James' best skill. To assert otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I'm so tired of this ridiculous narrative.

"LeBroN iS A PaSs F1rsT PlaYeR!!"

Yes, scoring is LeBron James' best skill. To assert otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.

Agreed.

It was only brought up because it's clear LeBron isn't the scoring killer that MJ was so they make an excuse for that.

There are better scorers, passers, rebounders and definitely better defenders than LeBron. He's not the best at any oke thing other than flopping, PED abuse and lying.

But he is one of the most well rounded of all time.

[packerfan4200]

Originally Posted by RKH916

What do we mean by "athlete", here? If you're talking about athletic ability into advanced age (longevity), he might well be. He's definitely the best basketball laboratory experiment thus far.

As for basketball player - all things considered - nope. He has not, and will not surpass MJ. And no, he wasn't Jordan at the peak of his powers, either.

Something needs to be said re: the impact of the evolution of the game on how we view statistical prowess. A triple double now is not the same as a triple double in 2000. Nor is the motivation behind achieving a triple double. Even the method(s) through which one acquires one has changed, particularly in terms of accumulating rebounds. All of this has been a natural extension of the introduction of the quasi-zone. By 2006 players like AI were able to maneuver into paint more freely than they ever had before; it is not coincidental that Iverson became more efficient on even higher volume, and he didn't mysteriously become a more talented player than he was prior. It is also not coincidental that Tony Parker and Steve Nash were dominating the paint, ranging between 70-75% - a stark improvement to years prior.

I recently went back and watched some full games of Wizard Jordan. His off-ball, and defensive-end exertion was far beyond most players in today's game, and part of that is due to the evolution of the game. The ability to coast, hide on defense, and breeze through a game is much easier now. Breathers are easily acquired. It's actually somewhat embedded into defensive and offensive structures.

30 point triple doubles, nowadays, are somewhat routinely accumulating through what appears to be just the natural flow of the game, rather than a standout, gargantuan individual effort.

Recency bias has a tremendous effect here and it's actually rather hard to compartmentalize everything appropriately to account for the gradual but drastic changes that have occurred over time.

At any rate, I am absolutely certain that if the assertion here is that LBJ > MJ... then you are wrong

100% but you know the lebron-sexuals of the world don’t want to hear it. MJ played against plumbers and delivery drivers, dont’cha know? LeBrons legacy is lucky that Mike “retired” in ‘94 and (most of) 95 or he’d only have half the titles MJ does and they wouldn’t even get to try to make this ridiculous argument. So at least they have that..

[Archangel1775]

There are a lot of great athletes and many have mentioned some of them in this thread. To utilize the term and the professional level, said athlete should have tested himself in that foray, for that sport, at that level. Some say baseball is a tough sport because of the hand/eye coordination and reaction time to hit a 100 mph fastball. Others say professional football is difficult because of the physical contact and speed of the game. LeBron hasn't been tested at the pro level for any of those sports. Real talk, the way the man wriggles all over the ground after an NBA foul, with all those faces, do you think he has the courage and will to handle the rigors of the NFL? Its fine he's focused on the NBA and is political agenda but that doesn't make him the greatest "athlete" of all-time. Of course it's all relative. Nolan Ryan and Rickey Henderson played into their late 40's. Tom Brady into his mid-40s. I'd call them great athletes in their own sport too. But if calling LeBron the Greatest NBA "Athlete" of All-Time...it's no surprise, gotta give him a participation trophy, since he's no longer in the running for Greatest NBA Player of All-Time with Michael Jordan still on that pedestal.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packerfan4200

100% but you know the lebron-sexuals of the world don’t want to hear it. MJ played against plumbers and delivery drivers, dont’cha know? LeBrons legacy is lucky that Mike “retired” in ‘94 and (most of) 95 or he’d only have half the titles MJ does and they wouldn’t even get to try to make this ridiculous argument. So at least they have that..

I could say the same thing about Wilt Chamberlain and the jordan-sexuals would react the same way. LeBron was the best player ever at age 19-21 and now has been the best player ever at 37-40. It doesn't mean that he was a better player or had a better career than other greats. Rank players how you like and appreciate LeBron for what he is doing now.

[Bosoxfan5990]

LeBron is a Top 2 player of all time.

[patchgenie]

no lediddy

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I bet you are on Reddit a lot

And blowout is so much different, 60000 posts


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