Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Still trying to figure out what’s going on with the PMGs. As you said fabiani, it almost looks like unfinished cards. (Not my card)



Edit: ok after looking at some, it makes sense. Although questionable design on UD’s part. The PMG solid color is just the background. No foreground elements are colored. But the foreground becomes the white border, so therefore that doesn’t get the color. Foreground = white border in terms of treatment. The whole length of white at bottom is foreground in the original card, so it doesn’t get any PMG color.

When the background exists on the border, it will be colored. That’s why you see that sliver at top right as blue, and also the wavy section mid-right- those parts aren’t Fury on the original card, it’s just background. Some of these PMGs look odd because of this.

I think the borders were designed specifically for refractors -- the white areas were meant to be filled in with different colors and refractor patterns. But what happened is they used the same template for the PMGs and other types of parallels like Metallurgys. That's why it seems like the designs are not complete, or the cards are not fully printed -- the white areas don't fit with the non-refractor parallels and are just blank spaces.

It honestly seems like the PMGs were rushed and not properly designed. It makes sense because Upper Deck probably had to hurry up and release this product before they lost the Marvel license.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It honestly seems like the PMGs were rushed and not properly designed. It makes sense because Upper Deck probably had to hurry up and release this product before they lost the Marvel license.

It also probably means that the PMGs were never meant to be part of the product line. Half finished or not, they know people still love them some PMGs and thought it would be a selling point (and a way to print more).

[DynaEtch]

It’ll be an interesting test of do people value a card because of how it looks (bad in some cases, if not downright strange), or what it is (PMG, numbered to X, and also a very hard pull in this, 1 per case).

I’ll guess the latter. A lot of marvel cards are just checking off the boxes from the markets perspective…in some cases people barely even taking into account what the card looks like. If before the Spider-Man Metal set came out, you asked someone if a Spidey green PMG would be highly desired and worth tons- the answer would of course be yes. Blind to the card. Even if UD chose the most ridiculous example of rehashed art to use of Spidey for it…wouldnt matter. Checks off those boxes.

But in this case it’s pretty bad…I wonder if we’ll see a small premium for ones that don’t have the white. Spider-Man for example doesnt. I just saw a Deathlok red PMG pulled in a break and it didn’t have white.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I think the borders were designed specifically for refractors -- the white areas were meant to be filled in with different colors and refractor patterns. But what happened is they used the same template for the PMGs and other types of parallels like Metallurgys. That's why it seems like the designs are not complete, or the cards are not fully printed -- the white areas don't fit with the non-refractor parallels and are just blank spaces.

It honestly seems like the PMGs were rushed and not properly designed. It makes sense because Upper Deck probably had to hurry up and release this product before they lost the Marvel license.

I'm pretty certain the PMG white issue is a mistake and not intentional at all. Beyond the fact that it looks terrible and no designer in their right mind would make the decision to replace the foil on a PMG with white nothingness, the Colossus squashes the foreground/background theory. The border above and below the rock on the left border are both same layer (same rock wall in fact), yet upper is white and lower is red. Has to be a mix up in the art files that were provided to the two different printers/processes for chrome vs. non-chrome.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I'm pretty certain the PMG white issue is a mistake and not intentional at all. Beyond the fact that it looks terrible and no designer in their right mind would make the decision to replace the foil on a PMG with white nothingness, the Colossus squashes the foreground/background theory. The border above and below the rock on the left border are both same layer (same rock wall in fact), yet upper is white and lower is red. Has to be a mix up in the art files that were provided to the two different printers/processes for chrome vs. non-chrome.

Would be nice if they offered to exchange a proper replacement on the screwed up PMG's but not sure it would be viable due to the loss of license, although since they are not selling anything and just replacing they may be able to?

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Would be nice if they offered to exchange a proper replacement on the screwed up PMG's but not sure it would be viable due to the loss of license, although since they are not selling anything and just replacing they may be able to?

Don’t think they would want to waste any additional money reprinting cards after they lose the license. Likely will be knee deep in printing DC cards at that point that they can actually sell.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I'm pretty certain the PMG white issue is a mistake and not intentional at all. Beyond the fact that it looks terrible and no designer in their right mind would make the decision to replace the foil on a PMG with white nothingness, the Colossus squashes the foreground/background theory. The border above and below the rock on the left border are both same layer (same rock wall in fact), yet upper is white and lower is red. Has to be a mix up in the art files that were provided to the two different printers/processes for chrome vs. non-chrome.

There’s no way it’s not the foreground/background thing. If you glance down ebay at PMGs it’s like every one- the white edges correspond to where foreground goes out to edge of card, that can’t be a coincidence.







Sure it probably depends on what UD is defining as foreground. That’s up to them to decide. It’s almost like in that Kickstarter project OA…like what did Jusko choose to paint (usually just foreground). What probably happened in the Colossus is that extra rock outcrop just wasn’t defined as foreground. But in general for these PMGs, white = foreground, clearly from the examples.

Picture if every PMG was done right, like this Ultron, how awesome this would be. The white border thing is pretty terrible, and somewhat a knock against the product, as these are supposed to be the best hits.

[Spacemanspif]

It’s incredible they would allow the set to release like that. If it were some parallel that nobody cared about like “leather” or whatever, fine. But PMGs are the chase and so many of them look like absolute crap.

[1212superstar]

is there only 1 serial numbered insert per box? yuck

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

News from the Marvel podcast and the founder of the Marvel Masterpieces FB group.

UD stating that there will be NO Epack release for this set due to lack of time.

They were wrong or lied.

https://www.upperdeckepack.com/News/...r_Deck_e_Pack_

This is why I take the "wait and see" approach lol

[rangeljon]

Opened quite a bit. Saw 2-4 numbered per box.

Hit (3) PMGS: Red Hulk and Black Widow, Green Kang.

Other of note: Silver Surfer Orange Lava /25, Spider-Man Venom Battle Spectrum Rainbow SSP, (3) Gold Seismics, (3) Woods, (1) Metallurgy, Spider-Man Red Prism and Blue Traxx.

Plus a bunch of other cool stuff.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

They were wrong or lied.

https://www.upperdeckepack.com/News/...r_Deck_e_Pack_

This is why I take the "wait and see" approach lol

Or just flat out wrong

bc you know what they say about assuming


Honestly, I'm not sure UD knew what was happening until after lunch today.


Regardless, I'm pleased w/ the final out come

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by rangeljon

Opened quite a bit. Saw 2-4 numbered per box.

Hit (3) PMGS: Red Hulk and Black Widow, Green Kang.

Other of note: Silver Surfer Orange Lava /25, Spider-Man Venom Battle Spectrum Rainbow SSP, (3) Gold Seismics, (3) Woods, (1) Metallurgy, Spider-Man Red Prism and Blue Traxx.

Plus a bunch of other cool stuff.

2-4 numbered sounds like a lot more than avg. Most I’m seeing have 2, some have 1. I don’t know if you just had a really good run of luck or something

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by rangeljon

Opened quite a bit. Saw 2-4 numbered per box.

Hit (3) PMGS: Red Hulk and Black Widow, Green Kang.

Other of note: Silver Surfer Orange Lava /25, Spider-Man Venom Battle Spectrum Rainbow SSP, (3) Gold Seismics, (3) Woods, (1) Metallurgy, Spider-Man Red Prism and Blue Traxx.

Plus a bunch of other cool stuff.

Let's see it!

[DynaEtch]

Trying to gather some info on the Apocalypse/Adam Warlock error situation.

So for the base cards, it is not an uncorrected error (ie it is a corrected error). For both, it can be either: regular or error. It’ll be interesting to estimate which is the more common, the regular or error, eventually with more data. It is definitely not a scarce error. It may even be like 50% each, or something close to it.

But what about the inserts?

The canvas/leather seem to always be the error. Has anyone seen one example of a regular back white border card like canvas, leather, or wood? Until an example surfaces, I’ll say uncorrected error for now.

The other inserts and parallels…anyone’s guess, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all uncorrected. I saw a blue Traxx Apocalypse with the error a pink laser variant cover that was normal. I saw a rainbow Warlock (and Holofoil) with error and rainbow variant cover that’s normal. Red PMGs seem to both have the error.

Whole thing is convoluted, but I wonder if the only ones with an actual corrected version are the base. Unless anyone can give an example for inserts.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I'm pretty certain the PMG white issue is a mistake and not intentional at all. Beyond the fact that it looks terrible and no designer in their right mind would make the decision to replace the foil on a PMG with white nothingness, the Colossus squashes the foreground/background theory. The border above and below the rock on the left border are both same layer (same rock wall in fact), yet upper is white and lower is red. Has to be a mix up in the art files that were provided to the two different printers/processes for chrome vs. non-chrome.

I noticed the etching on the chromium cards extend to the edges, even though the printed images fade out on the borders. This means the etching was designed for cards with foreground images -- like hands and feet -- extending to the borders. That was how 2023 Marvel Platinum was done.

This brings up more questions than answers. It seems like the graphic designer and the printer weren't on the same page. Or the graphic designer didn't edit the artwork how they were supposed to, and the printer just went ahead and printed the cards anyway.

This is just plain weird.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

It’s incredible they would allow the set to release like that. If it were some parallel that nobody cared about like “leather” or whatever, fine. But PMGs are the chase and so many of them look like absolute crap.

They must have really rushed these cards to market without regard for potential errors. I imagine there are typically proofs printed first to be inspected and approved by Upper Deck for final printing. But in this case, Upper Deck must have just sent in the order to the printer to print the entire product to make sure it got to market on time.

Either that, or there was no quality assurance person from Upper Deck inspecting the cards to make sure they are being printed properly.

[fabiani12333]

It's interesting that the only cards without cropped artwork are the Cover Variant cards. It seems like they were the only cards that were edited properly. It makes sense, as they have comic book graphics added to them -- you can't just phone that process in; they need special attention.

[ThatGuyPal]

Yeah as an outsider to the original set, lack of identifying PMG's really annoys me and I think will turn off most casuals as with the amount of parallels now it jus looks like a red parallel. Like back in the day there wasn't a billion parallels so it just being all-red could still stand out as a PMG but now? I doubt if you didn't know the set and were a casual you wouldn't even believe it's a PMG. At least if Blue Traxx or something just used the border since they added them anyway they'd stick out more but those are the full color background too, and look better lol

I didn't expect quantity of numbered cards but seeing people's parallels be like /692 and the PMG chase kind of being ruined for me, I think I'll likely stick to retail for this, seems unnumbered parallels look cooler anyway and I don't know if Golden Treasures are possible in retail but that would be my only other chase but thats a unicorn even in hobby.

[rangeljon]

I think, from what I'm reading in here, and the fact I did a case and a half, the concerns are overblown. This set is really striking in person and fun to put together.

The /992 numbering seems high on the true base parallel, but there are only a few numbered parallels. Platinum this year saw ELEVEN numbered parallels (18 total parallels, excluding achievements and plates) with two cards per subject in the base set. Not to mention covers and other inserts.

The non-numbered variants will be pretty watered down going forward, so grab them on the cheap when you can, but it's fun to put the rainbow together in that sense. Fun having the clear cut alongside the lenticular alongside the wood, etc.

As far as the PMGs go, having three in hand, not all have the white edge issues/designs. My Kang (everything I'm selling is listed on fleabay) has full color to the edges. Some definitely look inferior to others, for sure. And only having the word "PMG" on the back is annoying. But the PMG material is same as it's always been.

Regarding the Apocalypse Warlock issue, I have an Apocalypse Wood with an Adam Warlock Back. It still denotes Wood. So it has right parallel at least, but wrong character. Same goes for an Apocalypse Holofoil. Back reads Warlock Holofoil.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by rangeljon

As far as the PMGs go, having three in hand, not all have the white edge issues/designs. My Kang (everything I'm selling is listed on fleabay) has full color to the edges. Some definitely look inferior to others, for sure. And only having the word "PMG" on the back is annoying. But the PMG material is same as it's always been.

Regarding the Apocalypse Warlock issue, I have an Apocalypse Wood with an Adam Warlock Back. It still denotes Wood. So it has right parallel at least, but wrong character. Same goes for an Apocalypse Holofoil. Back reads Warlock Holofoil.

The PMG issue doesn’t affect me much anyway since they are rare hits and not like I’m going to be buying up lots of those. So true, it’s a bit overblown in that sense. But idk, I see some blue pmgs going up on eBay asking into the many hundred (never mind green for thousands), it just seems ridiculous for what looks like an unfinished card/eyesore. No question the unaffected ones will look great, but looks like the majority are affected to at least some extent. Considering they are some of the biggest possible hits, I’d say the reaction above is about right on point.

Your examples with Apocalypse/Warlock are matching what I’ve seen. So far…and I know it early….it looks like the inserts are only one thing (between regular or error..usually error). If anyone can find one insert that exists in both error and regular, I’d love to know. That variant situation probably only exists for the base.

[rangeljon]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The PMG issue doesn’t affect me much anyway since they are rare hits and not like I’m going to be buying up lots of those. So true, it’s a bit overblown in that sense. But idk, I see some blue pmgs going up on eBay asking into the many hundred (never mind green for thousands), it just seems ridiculous for what looks like an unfinished card/eyesore. No question the unaffected ones will look great, but looks like the majority are affected to at least some extent. Considering they are some of the biggest possible hits, I’d say the reaction above is about right on point.

Your examples with Apocalypse/Warlock are matching what I’ve seen. So far…and I know it early….it looks like the inserts are only one thing (between regular or error..usually error). If anyone can find one insert that exists in both error and regular, I’d love to know. That variant situation probably only exists for the base.

My Apocalypse Variant Covers Pink Lasers /692 is correct, back and front. Just checked.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by rangeljon

My Apocalypse Variant Covers Pink Lasers /692 is correct, back and front. Just checked.

A Warlock pink laser variant cover on the bay is also correct… looks like maybe variant cover pink lasers might be correct. We probably should get a checklist going eventually of which inserts have which version.

[DynaEtch]

Initial attempt. Assume there is no difference between Warlock/Apocalypse for each given one. Which all signs point to, but welcome a counterexample to disprove it.

Base - can be either. A true variant
Blue Traxx- error
Variant cover Blue Traxx- normal
Rainbow - error
Variant cover Rainbow - normal
Pink Lasers - unknown
Variant cover Pink Lasers - normal
Red Prism - unknown
Variant cover Red Prism - unknown
Seismic Gold - unknown
Variant cover Seismic Gold - unknown
Orange Lava - unknown
Variant Cover Orange Lava - unknown
Emerald Surge - unknown
Variant cover Emerald Surge- unknown
Golden Treasures - unknown
Variant Cover Golden Treasures- unknown
PMG red - error
PMG blue - error
PMG green - unknown, likely error
PMG gold - unknown, likely error
Holofoil - error
Lenticular - normal
Canvas - error
Leather - error
Wood - unknown, likely error
Clear Cut - normal (has to be, it’s see through)
Plexi - normal (has to be, see through)
Metallurgy - normal
Purple- unknown
Purple variant cover - unknown

Initial signs point towards Variant covers = normal, ‘regular’ inserts = error.

Not sure if im missing any. Let me know if you see anything unknown, or anything that conflicts with known info.

[TimBuckTwo]

Race to bottom has begun. Many sub 240 w shipping on ebay.