LEAKED!? Mets offer Soto $700 mil over 15 years?

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by rms13

Mookie is possible. But he probably won't get to any of the major offensive milestones like 500 hr. But he's been durable. He has MVP, ROY, 3 WS rings, 6 gold glove, 1 platinum glove, 7 silver slugger and has been able to play gold glove defense in CF, RF, 2B and SS. If he keeps doing what he's been doing it will be hard to keep him out.

Mookie is a sure fire HOFer as well.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Forgot about
Kershaw
Verlander
Scherzer

no worries, so did the hobby

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by rms13

HOF is based on career not prime. Why isn't Mattingly in yet? Ohtani already is attached to a major scandal

Sandy Koufax would like a word.

Ohtani getting money stolen from him isn't going to change anything. Being a victim in a scandal changes nothing.

[ThoseBackPages]

another thing to remember is that the HOF gets more watered down with each passing year

[rms13]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Trout is a sure fire HOFer.

Not if he doesn't even get to 400 hr

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by rms13

Not if he doesn't even get to 400 hr

He absolutely is. Best player in baseball for a decade. 86.2 WAR. 3 MVPs.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Sandy Koufax would like a word.



Ohtani getting money stolen from him isn't going to change anything. Being a victim in a scandal changes nothing.

I don't think the entire story on Ohtani is out and it may never be. But Koufax is the only example of a guy with a 5 year prime that got in. And Ohtani has had a 4 year prime so far so I'm not engraving his plaque yet. But if he has a couple more years like last year and maybe can be an effective pitcher again then sure. But if he goes out and blows him arm out again next year then maybe not. Mattingly had as dominant a 4 year prime as anyone in history and he's never getting in even though he's more deserving then a lot of recent inductees. So who knows.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

He absolutely is. Best player in baseball for a decade. 86.2 WAR. 3 MVPs.

They could also go back and retest some old piss samples with newer testing technology and then he won't be.

[ThoseBackPages]

we have a hater

[LVDan]

As someone who grew up idolizing Donny Baseball I don’t think the comparison is valid.
1 mvp is not the same as a two way player with 3 mvp in his pocket at 30. I suppose if he were to immediately suck at hitting going forward and never pitch again you could foolishly argue he isn’t deserving but honestly I think the plaque is done already.

[JWBlue]

Ohtani is an interesting debate about if he retired today whether is inducted into the HOF.

He has had 5 remarkable seasons. Same as Koufax. I think he gets in.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Ohtani is an interesting debate about if he retired today whether is inducted into the HOF.

He has had 5 remarkable seasons. Same as Koufax. I think he gets in.

4 remarkable seasons

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Ohtani is an interesting debate about if he retired today whether is inducted into the HOF.

He has had 5 remarkable seasons. Same as Koufax. I think he gets in.

Well, since he doesn't have enough seasons to qualify, it would be a very short debate.

But if they were to make an exception, I don't think there's any question about it.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by LVDan

As someone who grew up idolizing Donny Baseball I don’t think the comparison is valid.
1 mvp is not the same as a two way player with 3 mvp in his pocket at 30. I suppose if he were to immediately suck at hitting going forward and never pitch again you could foolishly argue he isn’t deserving but honestly I think the plaque is done already.

The two way player thing is important but he only had one really great year as a pitcher where he finished 4th in Cy Young. There also isn't precedent for guys like Ohtani and Trout with the MVPs but not having longevity and counting stats. Maybe they both stay healthy and that's not a discussion at the end of their careers. Mattingly was the most dominant offensive player for 5 years and a gold glove defender. He was also arguably the face of MLB during that period. I don't think he deserves HOF but I do think he's more deserving then some other recent inductees. And I'm a Sox fan so I'm not overly concerned about his legacy. Ohtani and Trout probably get in especially with the current state of the HOF but I still think it would be a debate if either of them never played another game.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Ohtani is an interesting debate about if he retired today whether is inducted into the HOF.

He has had 5 remarkable seasons. Same as Koufax. I think he gets in.

Ohtani isn't eligible for HOF induction as of now.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by rms13

The two way player thing is important but he only had one really great year as a pitcher where he finished 4th in Cy Young. There also isn't precedent for guys like Ohtani and Trout with the MVPs but not having longevity and counting stats. Maybe they both stay healthy and that's not a discussion at the end of their careers. Mattingly was the most dominant offensive player for 5 years and a gold glove defender. He was also arguably the face of MLB during that period. I don't think he deserves HOF but I do think he's more deserving then some other recent inductees. And I'm a Sox fan so I'm not overly concerned about his legacy. Ohtani and Trout probably get in especially with the current state of the HOF but I still think it would be a debate if either of them never played another game.

I want Mattingly in the HOF but I don’t think it will ever happen. Same with Maris.


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[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I want Mattingly in the HOF but I don’t think it will ever happen. Same with Maris.


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Or Munson, which is a crime IMO.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Or Munson, which is a crime IMO.

If anyone at least Munson should get in


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[towerymt]

Originally Posted by rms13

Ask the Angels about Pujols. That's a more comparable situation. Except Soto has already shown that he can dip to a .240 and Pujols didn't until he got his bag.

Albert's first LAA season was age 32. Juan's will be age 26.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by rms13

The two way player thing is important but he only had one really great year as a pitcher where he finished 4th in Cy Young. There also isn't precedent for guys like Ohtani and Trout with the MVPs but not having longevity and counting stats. Maybe they both stay healthy and that's not a discussion at the end of their careers. Mattingly was the most dominant offensive player for 5 years and a gold glove defender. He was also arguably the face of MLB during that period. I don't think he deserves HOF but I do think he's more deserving then some other recent inductees. And I'm a Sox fan so I'm not overly concerned about his legacy. Ohtani and Trout probably get in especially with the current state of the HOF but I still think it would be a debate if either of them never played another game.

Saying he only had one really great year as a pitcher may be true but wasn’t he AS level SP for at least 2? While putting up great offensive numbers at the same time?
And as far as mattingly being the best offensive player for a 5 year period I’d argue that in the last 5 years Ohtani is what, the 3rd best offensive player behind Soto and Mookie? Combined with some all star level starting pitching?
If he and trout aren’t HOFers they should just shut it down for lack of deserving players IMO

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by rms13

The two way player thing is important but he only had one really great year as a pitcher where he finished 4th in Cy Young. There also isn't precedent for guys like Ohtani and Trout with the MVPs but not having longevity and counting stats. Maybe they both stay healthy and that's not a discussion at the end of their careers. Mattingly was the most dominant offensive player for 5 years and a gold glove defender. He was also arguably the face of MLB during that period. I don't think he deserves HOF but I do think he's more deserving then some other recent inductees. And I'm a Sox fan so I'm not overly concerned about his legacy. Ohtani and Trout probably get in especially with the current state of the HOF but I still think it would be a debate if either of them never played another game.

4 years.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Saying he only had one really great year as a pitcher may be true but wasn’t he AS level SP for at least 2? While putting up great offensive numbers at the same time?
And as far as mattingly being the best offensive player for a 5 year period I’d argue that in the last 5 years Ohtani is what, the 3rd best offensive player behind Soto and Mookie? Combined with some all star level starting pitching?
If he and trout aren’t HOFers they should just shut it down for lack of deserving players IMO

I would say Ohtani has been the #1 offensive player of the past 5 years. Again, I think Othani and Trout are likely HOF. I'm just saying I'd their career ended today I'm not sure and they both have the injury track record where I wouldn't be shocked if one of their careers was over sooner then later.

Back on topic, Mike Rodriguez reports the Mets offer is $730 million for 15 years and is the highest offer on the table. I'm a Sox fan so I have no love for either NY team but I think it would be fun if he went to the Mets and was able to flip the city and we get 10 years of Mets dominance while Yankees are a .500 team. probably won't happen since the Yankees have some good young players and prospects and they'll spend money elsewhere to compete. But having a relevant subway series rivalry for the next decade would be good for MLB

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by rms13

I would say Ohtani has been the #1 offensive player of the past 5 years. Again, I think Othani and Trout are likely HOF. I'm just saying I'd their career ended today I'm not sure and they both have the injury track record where I wouldn't be shocked if one of their careers was over sooner then later.

Back on topic, Mike Rodriguez reports the Mets offer is $730 million for 15 years and is the highest offer on the table. I'm a Sox fan so I have no love for either NY team but I think it would be fun if he went to the Mets and was able to flip the city and we get 10 years of Mets dominance while Yankees are a .500 team. probably won't happen since the Yankees have some good young players and prospects and they'll spend money elsewhere to compete. But having a relevant subway series rivalry for the next decade would be good for MLB

I’m here for a competitive subway series. I also don’t want the Yankees to sign Soto for that much. At that point use the money on pitching and filling out holes in the line up


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[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by jayjay0122

It will be a crazy overpay. $600-$700M for a player with no speed and average defense, not even a 5 tool player.

Bobby Witt Jr got 11 years at $288M and I'd take him any day over Soto. It's not even close.

This is such a bad take I don't even want to respond to it

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Ohtani isn't eligible for HOF induction as of now.

They'll just change the rules. Ohtani is guaranteed to be in the hof because it will bring money to the hof. They'll expand the airport to have a direct Oneonta to Tokyo flight.

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