LEAKED!? Mets offer Soto $700 mil over 15 years?

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Teams should ask the Angels about spending $245,000,000 on A Rendon till 2026. Rendon has had 1,095 Plate Appearances Regular & Post season with only 2 more years of that contract. He was fairly healthy before being signed. Risk vs Reward. I would split the difference and not go after Soto for that much. I would rather sign Vientiane to a long term contract for a third of the Soto tag, IMO.

Ask the Angels about Pujols. That's a more comparable situation. Except Soto has already shown that he can dip to a .240 and Pujols didn't until he got his bag.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

And the fans will hate Hal that he let a beloved player leave especially if it's to the Mets or Red Sox.

At this point I'm kind of sick of the whole "Generational" BS that seems to be driving Soto. I could be wrong, but if he's just about the $$$ then I'm fine with the Yanks letting him walk. In reality they can get three, or maybe four, of these players: M. Fried, J. Flaherty, C. Burns, W. Adames, T. O'neill, A. Santander, P, Alsonso, or C. Walker for what they'd be giving Soto. I'd be willing to take that as a Yankee fan.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by marl1220

At this point I'm kind of sick of the whole "Generational" BS that seems to be driving Soto. I could be wrong, but if he's just about the $$$ then I'm fine with the Yanks letting him walk. In reality they can get three, or maybe four, of these players: M. Fried, J. Flaherty, C. Burns, W. Adames, T. O'neill, A. Santander, P, Alsonso, or C. Walker for what they'd be giving Soto. I'd be willing to take that as a Yankee fan.

Id rather have quality over quantity. Those hitters don't do much for our lineup, even if we get 4 of them which we won't. In reality of we lose Soto we would get probably 2 of those guys tops. And have plenty of free time in October.

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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by davidantx

He's arguably the best all around player in all of MLB, he will set financial records with this wherever he ends up.

Is that why he has exactly 0 MVP awards?

[rms13]

Originally Posted by marl1220

At this point I'm kind of sick of the whole "Generational" BS that seems to be driving Soto. I could be wrong, but if he's just about the $$$ then I'm fine with the Yanks letting him walk. In reality they can get three, or maybe four, of these players: M. Fried, J. Flaherty, C. Burns, W. Adames, T. O'neill, A. Santander, P, Alsonso, or C. Walker for what they'd be giving Soto. I'd be willing to take that as a Yankee fan.

I'm a Sox fan and I feel the same way. I won't complain if they get Soto. But if they get him and can't address pitching then I won't be happy. I'd rather the Sox get Burnes, Fried, Bregman and Hernandez; r something similar for the same money as Soto. Soto is a .285 hitter who walks a lot and averages 35 HR and 102 RBI. He has no speed and is a below average defender who will eventually be a DH. He's not a generational talent and in some ways these guys are a dime a dozen. The Sox got Ortiz off waivers and he is probably the best case comp for Soto. You could get Alonso for much less who averages 43 HR and 112 RBI per year. How can he be a generational talent when there are several guys of his generation that could be better then him when you include the total package like Witt, Henderson,Acuna etc.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by rms13

I'm a Sox fan and I feel the same way. I won't complain if they get Soto. But if they get him and can't address pitching then I won't be happy. I'd rather the Sox get Burnes, Fried, Bregman and Hernandez; r something similar for the same money as Soto. Soto is a .285 hitter who walks a lot and averages 35 HR and 102 RBI. He has no speed and is a below average defender who will eventually be a DH. He's not a generational talent and in some ways these guys are a dime a dozen. The Sox got Ortiz off waivers and he is probably the best case comp for Soto. You could get Alonso for much less who averages 43 HR and 112 RBI per year. How can he be a generational talent when there are several guys of his generation that could be better then him when you include the total package like Witt, Henderson,Acuna etc.

keep in mind that Soto hasnt even hit his prime yet. he is just coming off from his age 25 season. Most figure prime years are about age 28-32 seasons.

[SaveMeTheGum]

I heard Soto is looking for 36-24-36.

But only if she's 5'3.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

keep in mind that Soto hasnt even hit his prime yet. he is just coming off from his age 25 season. Most figure prime years are about age 28-32 seasons.

That's because most guys don't come into the league at 19. He's physically mature and he has 7 years of MLB experience. He's not going to take a big leap unless he goes the Bonds route. Most likely he'll bulk up adding fat and slow down as he gets closer to 30 and become a disaster in the OF and move to DH and continue to hit .250-280 with 30-40 HR.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

keep in mind that Soto hasnt even hit his prime yet. he is just coming off from his age 25 season. Most figure prime years are about age 28-32 seasons.

That’s not entirely true. It depends on the specific analysis, but most would agree the peak age range is between 26 and 30, with 27 to 29 being the most common. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Soto to improve much more at this point—not that he needs to.

[dcbaseballcards]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

Don't think there's validity there but 15 years is way too long. The AAV is 46.5 with this. I think he wants the highest AAV which can be 600 over 12 years at 50 AAV. I'm sure with a couple of opt outs laced in.

15 years is the perfect length to lower that AAV for luxury tax reasons

[kaisersoze]

i can see juan having similar prime years as miguel cabrera. probably good for 8 years and beyond that will be decline.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by kaisersoze

i can see juan having similar prime years as miguel cabrera. probably good for 8 years and beyond that will be decline.

Do we thinks he makes the hall?


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[rms13]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Do we thinks he makes the hall?


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If he keeps up his current production and plays until he's 40 then definitely. But he's 26 so he has to stay healthy and keep up production and not have a huge drop off. Everyone thought Trout was a sure fire HOF through his age 27 season but because of all his injuries since then it's looking a little more questionable

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Do we thinks he makes the hall?


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Aside from Ohtani I can’t imagine a better bet for HOF currently playing
maybe Trout?

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Aside from Ohtani I can’t imagine a better bet for HOF currently playing
maybe Trout?

I think Trout and Ohtani a for sure and Mookie Betts


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[rms13]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Aside from Ohtani I can’t imagine a better bet for HOF currently playing
maybe Trout?

Ohtani and Trout have both had a lot of injuries so I wouldn't count on either putting up counting stats to get in. I think its a premature conversation for any player until they hit mid 30s. Ohtani also didn't have a full season asa hitter until age 27 which will make it hard to accumulate stats. But hey, we have a HOF now where guys like Harold Baines and Scott Rolen get in so anything is possible

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by rms13

Ohtani and Trout have both had a lot of injuries so I wouldn't count on either putting up counting stats to get in. I think its a premature conversation for any player until they hit mid 30s. Ohtani also didn't have a full season asa hitter until age 27 which will make it hard to accumulate stats. But hey, we have a HOF now where guys like Harold Baines and Scott Rolen get in so anything is possible

You're going to upset a lot of people!

[LVDan]

Forgot about
Kershaw
Verlander
Scherzer

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Forgot about
Kershaw
Verlander
Scherzer

Mookie too


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[rms13]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I think Trout and Ohtani a for sure and Mookie Betts


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Mookie is possible. But he probably won't get to any of the major offensive milestones like 500 hr. But he's been durable. He has MVP, ROY, 3 WS rings, 6 gold glove, 1 platinum glove, 7 silver slugger and has been able to play gold glove defense in CF, RF, 2B and SS. If he keeps doing what he's been doing it will be hard to keep him out.

[LVDan]

Trout and Ohtani would need scandal to not be inducted IMO
Their primes are too high to not make it

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Mookie too


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Facts

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

You're going to upset a lot of people!

A lot of people think Ohtani should just be in if he retired today but baseball history is full of guys who were elite over a 5 year period that aren't HOF.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Trout and Ohtani would need scandal to not be inducted IMO
Their primes are too high to not make it

HOF is based on career not prime. Why isn't Mattingly in yet? Ohtani already is attached to a major scandal

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by rms13

If he keeps up his current production and plays until he's 40 then definitely. But he's 26 so he has to stay healthy and keep up production and not have a huge drop off. Everyone thought Trout was a sure fire HOF through his age 27 season but because of all his injuries since then it's looking a little more questionable

Trout is a sure fire HOFer.