Nikola "JOKER" Jokic, Media Love = Hobby Love?

[daeve]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Missing Jamal?

yeah - well at least against the Suns it's that they also shot lights out from 3 while Nuggs were cold.

[GOATcards]

I don't think Joker wins chips without a healthy Bubblemurray or at least Playoff Murry, Joker would probably be the first to tell you that, also it helps a lot if MP3 is shooting great from 3 and of course AG doing his thang, also KCP is like the most depth they have lol (Reggie and braun are what, in the negative on the plus/minus metrics but above replacement?

[daeve]

probably dime of the year tonight

https://streamable.com/f691s0

26-18-16 and +37 on a healthy Cavs team sans Murray

[773cards]

What a battle with the next goat tonight.

[GOATcards]

let's say that Jokic already belongs in the . . . not the GOAT conversation (yet), but in like a top-3 or top-5 conversation. Supposing that's the case, what are the sorts of criteria that would be most emphasized in such a discussion? I assume peak value, championship play given the opportunity, personality conducive to team play, durability, and a probably strong era adjustment would figure considerably.

Unless we see ridiculously exceptional circumstances in Joker's case (in terms of quality of team support), I assume that having at least 3 championships/Finals MVPs would be necessary to even be part of the GOAT discussion? Suppose, given quality of supporting staff, Jokic has only one more real chance of getting a ring and makes the best of that chance. Seems like he's dominant enough regardless that he could very well end up being GOAT or co-GOAT.

Anyone else been stocking up a lil' lately?

[GOATcards]

if y'all don't start talking about Joker in his designated thread, I'm gonna make it my personal project to make him my Nesmith and mention him nonstop

[The Losing Edge]

I'll Bite. Couple trios I have.

1st year One and One. Would love to get the Gold someday.



Flux foursome. That 7 is hard to do with an encased set. Had moderate fingernail indents on back. Atmosphere set not rare, scarce, or condition sensitive but damn they are cool. Especially the Exosphere design.

[GOATcards]

amazing how little traffic this thread gets, compared to players less proven

Makes me want to embrace some hardcore elitism, and go scorched-earth on those not participating in this thread

where's daeve if not abra

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

amazing how little traffic this thread gets, compared to players less proven

Makes me want to embrace some hardcore elitism, and go scorched-earth on those not participating in this thread

is the "problem" here that Jokic doesn't have a photogenic babyface to make his kardz more aesthetically appealing?

is it that he doesn't get his MVP-worthy performances through feats of high-flying athleticism?

is it that he doesn't get his MVP-worthy performances through heavy reliance on 3-pointers?

please, tell me the low-IQ, bull-#@#@#@#@ reason that Jokic isn't a hobby giant

[GOATcards]

I haven't heard, what's the last time a player went roughly 30/13/11 over a stretch of 13 games played?

I don't think it's some regular-season anomaly for Jokic, either; his '23 playoff run is ranked among maybe the top 10 of all-time (prima facie evidence that he belongs in the top-10 conversation), something like 30/13/9 in the basic box score?

I guess since 30/13/11 over 13 games and 30/13/9 over 20 playoff games are not so far apart, is the answer basically just Jokic

what was MJ's box score when he was Point Guard for ~30 games in '88-89, it was a triple double average right?
(that Magic Johnson guy must have been pretty good to beat out Prime MJ for 2 MVPs

[GOATcards]

thread started back in the season that Joker just entered MVP balloting, and we're still wondering whether he'll ever get the love he's due

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

is the "problem" here that Jokic doesn't have a photogenic babyface to make his kardz more aesthetically appealing?

is it that he doesn't get his MVP-worthy performances through feats of high-flying athleticism?

is it that he doesn't get his MVP-worthy performances through heavy reliance on 3-pointers?

please, tell me the low-IQ, bull-#@#@#@#@ reason that Jokic isn't a hobby giant

What is the criteria for hobby giant exactly? Cause from where im standing his card prices (on his RPAs specifically) definitely say that he's well respected in the hobby

[773cards]

I was at the Chicago show last weekend and saw a showcase full of Joker! He will finish as a top 10 player in the league for sure. Still has years of prime left.

[GOATcards]

What's the present value of joker's future sure top 10 placement

I don't think adjusted POY shares lie much; he's arguably top 5 but the list is stacked indeed

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[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by kipgen

What is the criteria for hobby giant exactly? Cause from where im standing his card prices (on his RPAs specifically) definitely say that he's well respected in the hobby

Yeah IMO GoatCards is complaining over nothing. Joker was undervalued and he already took a leap hobby-wise two or so years ago. IDK what he really wants, he's not gonna be LeBron/MJ tier ever. Being placed around or a tier below Duncan is the best possible scenario for him.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

is the "problem" here that Jokic doesn't have a photogenic babyface to make his kardz more aesthetically appealing?

Bro needs to quit messin' with those shetland ponies and cop the next flight out to Busan before clecters reenact January 6th on his farmhouse.

[ninjabum87]

If he fought Logan and Jake Paul in a cage match it would go a long way.

[GOATcards]

tryna think where I'd put him in all-time draft ranking order, considering he's only 29. maybe compare him to all other players through age 29? anyway, say that by season's end he'll have been the best player in the game for 5 straight years,* how many players in NBA history could that possibly be said about? 10 at most in the last 50 years (since '74 then), MJ and Bron are definitely in that category, and then who else

* with the largest/widest talent pool yet no less

wait nvm, Freak was better in '21, it's only 3.2 years so far that he's been the best. Probably a few other players besides MJ/Bron (LarryMagicShaqTimmy)

[ninjabum87]

Didn't your own DPM graph have Giannis above Joker from 2019-2022?

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Didn't your own DPM graph have Giannis above Joker from 2019-2022?

that is indeed the case

shall we swap avatars for a week or somethin'?

cawntext: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...4#post19720394

[GuacamoleCards]

Been looking for a really nice on-card Jokic auto. Doesn't have to be a rookie. I love this dude, don't know why he doesn't get more hobby love.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by GuacamoleCards

Been looking for a really nice on-card Jokic auto. Doesn't have to be a rookie. I love this dude, don't know why he doesn't get more hobby love.

doing my best to steelman a bad case (polish a turd), his hobby appeal seems to be limited by his playing style and build, and, let's face it, lookism. The playing style thing is apparently why Duncan doesn't get the hobby respect/love he's due; while defense and leadership win championships, what hobby love does that get you if you aren't an alpha scorer like Hobby Rushmore (MJ Bron Kobe Steph)? (We could also test that against scoring averages for Prime Manu/Parker. Manu had offensive moves that Duncan didn't do, shall we say.)

There's also a home-team market-size factor, I have to believe. If Duncan had led a Celtics or Lakers dynasty, his prices would probably be that much more than they are with his being a mere Spur. Jokić is a mere Nugget, a team with how wide of a fan base/following (whatever the size of the DEN metro area)?

But then we have to differentiate the cases of Jokic and a historically hyped prospect in Wemby, where Wemby is on the same franchise as Timmy. So what might the significant relevant differences be, aside from (a) lookism, (b) Wemby's even freakier build and skill set. Wemby also speaks English without a big accent.

Historically, the Center position hasn't commanded the highest hobby position, so that wouldn't differentiate in the case of Joker-Wemby.

Anyway, while I'd take Joker over anyone else taking a baby hook shot from the free throw line, it doesn't seem like something that grabs hobby attention. There's supposed to be some aesthetic angle that goes just beyond the lookism. Incidentally, MJ and Kobe especially are known for often photographing quite well, often while up in the air. That '23 Mosaic Silver I posted last week doesn't seem to suit many collectors' aesthetic tastes or really grab their attention, even. But I'm different.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by GuacamoleCards

Been looking for a really nice on-card Jokic auto. Doesn't have to be a rookie. I love this dude, don't know why he doesn't get more hobby love.

It'll depend somewhat on your aesthetic sensibilities but personally I'm a big fan of Noir and Panini One & One for on-card autos, specifically for the timeless moments



This is an example of one but there are several to pick from

Then there are the Noir spotlight signatures



For something a little more basic but cleaner and more minimalist the noir black and white autos are done with regular pen instead of the gold/silver pens they use for the above cards



Then there are his RPAs from noir in the mid-upper range of his price bracket, but also very nice



For something a little more basic but again clean and minimalist with a more standard design, he has plenty of flawless autos to pick from as well (including his rookie year which is where the really expensive stuff is)

[daeve]

I also like Noir and One&One for on-card autos.

The Luxe from his RC year are also very nice.

[773cards]

Nikola jokic tonight 12/08/24:

48 points
14 rebounds
8 assists
58% fg