2024 NFL MVP Odds

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

I assumed others might read it too

Kinda strange what a hypocrite he is though, going into the Mahomes thread and accuse everyone of being biased and homers......... yet he is that exact thing with Allen.

Oh well, happy Thanksgiving to the logical thinkers and those able to reason, lol

alright I'll bite

2023 Season
Josh Allen
4306 Yards
66.5% CMP
44 Total TDs
15 INTs
70.3 QBR
11-6 Record

Lamar Jackson
3678 Yards
67.8% CMP
29 Total TDs
7 INTs
65.4 QBR
14-3 Record

Who had better season? Who had better record? Who were 1 away from Unanimous MVP?

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

There's really no way to look at the numbers and think Allen should be leading this year. Jackson is miles ahead of him. Burrow has way better numbers but of course his team sucks. This could be Saquon's year if he finishes well. If not, I think Lamar might win it again. It would be very difficult to give it to Allen with him leading in virtually no categories.

See last year and tell me again if you think Vegas is stupid for putting Allen as frontrunner

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Delta5

alright I'll bite

2023 Season
Josh Allen
4306 Yards
66.5% CMP
44 Total TDs
15 INTs
70.3 QBR
11-6 Record

Lamar Jackson
3678 Yards
67.8% CMP
29 Total TDs
7 INTs
65.4 QBR
14-3 Record

Who had better season? Who had better record? Who were 1 away from Unanimous MVP?

They had a struggle bus to get to 6-6 and got lucky to win out. Lamar was playing MVP level all season and team was always in contention for 1 seed.

And Lamar is Arguably more impactful this season.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by kluke84

They had a struggle bus to get to 6-6 and got lucky to win out. Lamar was playing MVP level all season and team was always in contention for 1 seed.

And Lamar is Arguably more impactful this season.

Doesn't matter, only final records count. How does Lamar is more impactful when his roster has Hof RB and one of the best TE in the league yet he has 3 more losses than Allen with not a single pro bowler beside him? Make it make sense

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Delta5

alright I'll bite

2023 Season
Josh Allen
4306 Yards
66.5% CMP
44 Total TDs
15 INTs
70.3 QBR
11-6 Record

Lamar Jackson
3678 Yards
67.8% CMP
29 Total TDs
7 INTs
65.4 QBR
14-3 Record

Who had better season? Who had better record? Who were 1 away from Unanimous MVP?

I am a huge believer McCaffrey should have won the award last year. I 100 percent do NOT think Jackson should have even got 1 vote. He was elevated into it after that monster route win over the 49ers. It was a BS narrative and that is one of the 2-3 votes in the past 25 years I will never understand.

So, to answer you.... I think Allen had a better 2023 than Jackson, that's really isn't even a debate in my mind.

As I stated, I am not a Jackson fan, and I'd go as far as to say he quit on the team as a healthy scratch for the playoffs two years ago because he was acting like an infant about the contract situation.

But as an objective watcher of the game, Allen is leading this year's race because of his previous years play........... if this season is taken in a vacuum considering just 2024 merit, Jackson and Barkley are FAR superior candidates with Jackson being a clear 1... he is having an absolutely amazing season to this point.

I am actually an Allen fan, he's the perfect personality for that city... he's accountable, he takes responsibility for everything associated with the team. I'd be more than pleased to see the Bills win a SB with him at the helm. I'd be happy seeing him win multiple MVP's if he deserved them. At this point in 2024 there are multiple resumes that blow him away in my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Doesn't matter, only final records count. How does Lamar is more impactful when his roster has Hof RB and one of the best TE in the league yet he has 3 more losses than Allen with not a single pro bowler beside him? Make it make sense

W-L is not a QB stat. Regardless Ravens are two down in loss column.

Eye test says Lamar is best this year. Ravens have a much worse defense than Buffalo.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

You're right but you might as well be talking to a wall.

Is he or am I talking to @ wall? Everytime I speak common sense to you, you reply with crickets. Might be nice if you could give proper argument next time you know (Well if you can)

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

I am a huge believer McCaffrey should have won the award last year. I 100 percent do NOT think Jackson should have even got 1 vote. He was elevated into it after that monster route win over the 49ers. It was a BS narrative and that is one of the 2-3 votes in the past 25 years I will never understand.

So, to answer you.... I think Allen had a better 2023 than Jackson, that's really isn't even a debate in my mind.

As I stated, I am not a Jackson fan, and I'd go as far as to say he quit on the team as a healthy scratch for the playoffs two years because he was acting like an infant about the contract situation.

But as an objective watcher of the game, Allen is leading this year's race because of his previous years play........... if this season is taken in a vacuum considering just 2024 merit, Jackson and Barkley are FAR superior candidates.

I am actually an Allen fan, he's the perfect personality for that city... he's accountable, he takes responsibility for everything associated with the team. I'd be more than pleased to see the Bills win a SB with him at the helm. I'd be happy seeing him win multiple MVP's if he deserved them. At this point in 2024 there are multiple resumes that blow him away in my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I get this is not a great season (stat wise) for Allen. But, you also need to remember that Bills just lost 5 pro bowlers and also have 31m dead cap this season. To have 9-2 records is very impressive and if MVP really stands for Most Valuable Players, then theres no debate Allen is the MVP to his team compared to anyone else on other team

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by kluke84

W-L is not a QB stat. Regardless Ravens are two down in loss column.

Eye test says Lamar is best this year. Ravens have a much worse defense than Buffalo.

No it's not, but W-L is MVP deciding factor. Otherwise, Burrow is running away with it

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

alright I'll bite

2023 Season
Josh Allen
4306 Yards
66.5% CMP
44 Total TDs
15 INTs
70.3 QBR
11-6 Record

Lamar Jackson
3678 Yards
67.8% CMP
29 Total TDs
7 INTs
65.4 QBR
14-3 Record

Who had better season? Who had better record? Who were 1 away from Unanimous MVP?

Think you forgot a few of Allen's interceptions...

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Think you forgot a few of Allen's interceptions...

yeah, my bad it's 18. So, tell me honestly. Who had better season?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

yeah, my bad it's 18. So, tell me honestly. Who had better season?

This year? Lamar. And it's not close. And I can't stand Lamar and would never own one of his cards.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Is he or am I talking to @ wall? Everytime I speak common sense to you, you reply with crickets. Might be nice if you could give proper argument next time you know (Well if you can)

He wrote it out pretty clearly. You didn't disprove anything he said. Why would I argue when it's so obvious.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

This year? Lamar. And it's not close. And I can't stand Lamar and would never own one of his cards.

I said Had, I put up 2023 numbers, and ask you. 44 TD 18 INT or 29 TD 7 INT? it's not that hard to admit

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Delta5

yeah, my bad it's 18. So, tell me honestly. Who had better season?

People need to also take into account how good or bad the roster is around them. Allen has the fortune to always have a top 10 defense. Ravens used to until this year. And he is still dealing.

Like I said earlier I'd be stoked is Saquon wins it

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

He wrote it out pretty clearly. You didn't disprove anything he said. Why would I argue when it's so obvious.

Read again

"I get this is not a great season (stat wise) for Allen. But, you also need to remember that Bills just lost 5 pro bowlers and also have 31m dead cap this season. To have 9-2 records is very impressive and if MVP really stands for Most Valuable Players, then theres no debate Allen is the MVP to his team compared to anyone else on other team"

Who has more weapons? Who has better record? Who's more instrumental for their wins? It's not rocket science. Human voted for MVP, of course emotions play a role. Who has more memorable moment this season?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I said Had, I put up 2023 numbers, and ask you. 44 TD 18 INT or 29 TD 7 INT? it's not that hard to admit

Maybe you're in the wrong thread. This thread is for the 2024 MVP.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by kluke84

People need to also take into account how good or bad the roster is around them. Allen has the fortune to always have a top 10 defense. Ravens used to until this year. And he is still dealing.

Like I said earlier I'd be stoked is Saquon wins it

So you honestly think Bills have better roster than Ravens? Ravens were SB contenders team on preseason while Bills are touted to not even make the playoffs

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I said Had, I put up 2023 numbers, and ask you. 44 TD 18 INT or 29 TD 7 INT? it's not that hard to admit

And 5 fumbles. I thought those matter? Only when certain narratives need to be made i guess

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Maybe you're in the wrong thread. This thread is for the 2024 MVP.

No, if you really take time to read what I said and not just here to discredit it then you'll understsnd that I'm making a case that stats is not the only thing thst matters for MVP

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by kluke84

And 5 fumbles. I thought those matter? Only when certain narratives need to be made i guess

ESPN doenst have fumble lost and I'm too lazy to sesrch but I'm sure lamar has 0 right?

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I get this is not a great season (stat wise) for Allen. But, you also need to remember that Bills just lost 5 pro bowlers and also have 31m dead cap this season. To have 9-2 records is very impressive and if MVP really stands for Most Valuable Players, then theres no debate Allen is the MVP to his team compared to anyone else on other team

Hey, we can agree to agree for the most part. I don't refute any of this post from you.............. But I will say, doing with less really only comes into play when the numbers are somewhat similar. If guys at the top are potentially comparable and/or one is slightly less but you can truly earmark he got there with WAY less.... I think sound reasoning gives that type of performance the highest levels of respect and the vote would reflect it.

However, when the stat gaps are so large it makes it almost impossible to truly place that value in right place. Jackson this year could have such an enormous stat gap of accolades above let's say Allen and Mahomes, the "value" of lesser stat guys may not matter..... but we know how truly valuable both Allen and Mahomes are to their teams.

Tom Brady only won 3 MVP's and there is sound argument he should have won 6,7,8 or however many. His stats just didn't dictate that being possible based on great seasons other players had.

That gets into a different argument about intangibles/fit/leadership...... and what the MVP award actually is. Historically it's been based on stats primarily blended with record except a few bizarre instances, last year being one of those baffling years.

I think Allen needs to close the stat gap to maintain his pole position as the year continues. I hope he does, I'd like to see him get one and I'd be happy to see Jackson not get another. Even with that, Barkley's end of year stretch may very well dictate who wins. 5-6 games left is a lot, we shall see.

[Onepocketj]

So much can change in the next few weeks -

Ravens have Steelers, Texans and and Eagles
Bills have Rams and Lions (and two of their last three games are the Patriots...)
Eagles have Ravens and Steelers but they also have a few games where Saquon could go crazy.

Finish is always the biggest factor and their schedule could actually hurt Allen's chances. Literally no one will be watching their last three games.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Hey, we can agree to agree for the most part. I don't refute any of this post from you.............. But I will say, doing with less really only comes into play when the numbers are somewhat similar. If guys at the top are potentially comparable and/or one is slightly less but you can truly earmark he got there with WAY less.... I think sound reasoning gives that type of performance the highest levels of respect and the vote would reflect it.

However, when the stat gaps are so large it makes it almost impossible to truly place that value in right place. Jackson this year could have such an enormous stat gap of accolades above let's say Allen and Mahomes, the "value" of lesser stat guys may not matter..... but we know how truly valuable both Allen and Mahomes are to their teams.

Tom Brady only won 3 MVP's and there is sound argument he should have won 6,7,8 or however many. His stats just didn't dictate that being possible based on great seasons other players had.

That gets into a different argument about intangibles/fit/leadership...... and what the MVP award actually is. Historically it's been based on stats primarily blended with record except a few bizarre instances, last year being one of those baffling years.

I think Allen needs to close the stat gap to maintain his pole position as the year continues. I hope he does, I'd like to see him get one and I'd be happy to see Jackson not get another. Even with that, Barkley's end of year stretch may very well dictate who wins. 5-6 games left is a lot, we shall see.

Fair take, great to have real discussion and not just talk with haters who just try to discredit everything I said with bollocks.

I really believe if Allen can keep up his stats so far and ends up with 35ish total TD and keep the INT below 10 I think he got this. With how MVP gets picked so far, you have to remember that these things are why Allen odds so short

1. Bills remaining schedule is one of the easiest left, They should go 5-1 with a chance to just sweep the remaining schedule and be 15-2
2. Allen has one of the most memorable plays 4th and 2 TD run against undefeated Chiefs
3. MVP voters care about the records a lot and it shows from last year
4. Last time RB wins it is in 2012 (Adrian Peterson) and I dont see it changing this year. Saquon will win OPY and that's it, especially when the eagles were already a good team before this year (11-6)
5. Voters fatigue is a real thing, noone won 3rd MVP before he won a SB

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

So much can change in the next few weeks -

Ravens have Steelers, Texans and and Eagles
Bills have Rams and Lions (and two of their last three games are the Patriots...)
Eagles have Ravens and Steelers but they also have a few games where Saquon could go crazy.

Finish is always the biggest factor and their schedule could actually hurt Allen's chances. Literally no one will be watching their last three games.

This is probably the biggest thing for people to consider.

At this point in 2018 Brees had a 32/2 ratio with a rating of 126..... Mahomes over the past 4-5 games chased him down after a very poor finish and hit the 50 TD mark to win MVP in a landslide

In 2020 Mahomes was a MASSIVE favorite at this point, and he even played well his last 4-5 games.... but Rodgers went F'n ballistic to finish 48/5 with the second best rating in history and stole one from Patrick.

In 2021 Brady was a pretty heavy favorite going into week 14, played like crap and Rodgers again pushed himself into the award by playing exceptionally well to end the year

At this point last year I don't believe Jackson was really that high on the radar, the destruction they put on SF on prime time vaulted him to the top and CMC fizzling out sealed the deal on it.

History says one of Jackson, Barkley, Allen will go bonkers to finish out the year and that's who will pull away and win.......... but there is enough time left even for Burrow, Henry, Chase, Mahomes to get into the convo with 5-6 fire games in a row (it's unlikely but possible)