Question for Goldin Purchase

[hche]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

so the jersey wasn't game worn at all?!?!?!?

Pretty safe to say it wasnt worn by Chris Paul during the 2005-06 season.

[SCTV]

Originally Posted by hche

..... the grading process is for authenticating the jersey is game used. A10 means it is most likely to be game used.

MEARS own wording:
MEARS evaluates game-used jerseys based on a 1-10 grading scale.

There are lots of discussion of MEARS on this site, mainly on whether MEARS A5 is game worn, like the one below.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1088520

People like me believe MEARS is team-issued/gamed issued unless it's A10, which is game worn. From this example, we see A10 cannot guarantee you game worn.

If you look at lots of A5 items sold by Goldin (I use Goldin for direct comparison), A5 is described as Team Issued but not game worn.

https://goldin.co/item/magic-johnson...JkSW5kZXgiOjF9

About a few years ago, all A5 jerseys sold on major auction houses were described as game worn, and now they all called them Team Issued.

Therefore, if MEARS believe all their jersey were game worn, THEY SHOULD SAY IT CLEARLY ON THEIR COA.

[RKH916]

Note to self: Never buy a MEARS piece

Secondary note to self: Thoroughly scrutinize everything available on Goldin because Goldin won't do it themselves

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

Is he still a member here? Does he know about this thread? Coming on seven pages...

It could have something to do with Goldin getting acquired by eBay.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by SCTV

There are lots of discussion of MEARS on this site, mainly on whether MEARS A5 is game worn, like the one below.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1088520

People like me believe MEARS is team-issued/gamed issued unless it's A10, which is game worn. From this example, we see A10 cannot guarantee you game worn.

If you look at lots of A5 items sold by Goldin (I use Goldin for direct comparison), A5 is described as Team Issued but not game worn.

https://goldin.co/item/magic-johnson...JkSW5kZXgiOjF9

About a few years ago, all A5 jerseys sold on major auction houses were described as game worn, and now they all called them Team Issued.

Therefore, if MEARS believe all their jersey were game worn, THEY SHOULD SAY IN CLEARLY ON THEIR COA.

That's the thing -- nowhere does MEARS say the jersey was game used. They strongly imply it, but they don't outright say it. Only the Goldin listing says it was game used.

I can understand the OP's confusion.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

That's the thing -- nowhere does MEARS say the jersey was game used. They strongly imply it, but they don't outright say it. Only the Goldin listing says it was game used.

I can understand the OP's confusion.

You can check MEARS's certification letter, the is a term under Jersey Style says Worn During Regular Season. Does that means Game Used by Mears?

[3124508 on COMC]

The Mears LOA is kind of funny in general as someone who isn’t game used collector. Over 95% of the info on there is information gathered by just looking at the jersey. What are you paying them for?

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

The Mears LOA is kind of funny in general as someone who isn’t game used collector. Over 95% of the info on there is information gathered by just looking at the jersey. What are you paying them for?

MEARS says the jersey was worn during regular season, does that means it was game used in regular season as well?

[hche]

Originally Posted by SCTV

There are lots of discussion of MEARS on this site, mainly on whether MEARS A5 is game worn, like the one below.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1088520

People like me believe MEARS is team-issued/gamed issued unless it's A10, which is game worn. From this example, we see A10 cannot guarantee you game worn.

If you look at lots of A5 items sold by Goldin (I use Goldin for direct comparison), A5 is described as Team Issued but not game worn.

https://goldin.co/item/magic-johnson...JkSW5kZXgiOjF9

About a few years ago, all A5 jerseys sold on major auction houses were described as game worn, and now they all called them Team Issued.

Therefore, if MEARS believe all their jersey were game worn, THEY SHOULD SAY IN CLEARLY ON THEIR COA.

MEARs has a different A5 definition for pre-1997 and 1997 and after jerseys.

I am not defending MEARs on the error. I am just saying the grading process is for authenticating the likelihood of the jersey being game used. They should be on the hook for assigning the A10 grade to a non-game used jersey. Saying nothing on the cert said it is game used is a stretch.

[SCTV]

Originally Posted by hche

MEARs has a different A5 definition for pre-1997 and 1997 and after jerseys.

I am not defending MEARs on the error. I am just saying the grading process is for authenticating the likelihood of the jersey being game used. They should be on the hook for assigning the A10 grade to a non-game used jersey. Saying nothing on the cert said it is game used is a stretch.

Here are two examples, all from Goldin, all after 1997, all A5.

https://goldin.co/item/2011-12-henri...-jersey-nzctur

https://goldin.co/item/2020-21-lebro...-featurinzhi01

The Lundqvist jersey is called Player-Issued by Goldin, though the certificate says worn in regular season.

The Lebron jersey is called Team-Issued, and the certificate says team issued.

I think what you said above is WRONG.

[hche]

Originally Posted by SCTV

I think what you said above is WRONG.

Which part is wrong? All I said was quoted from MEARs' website. I did not invent anything I said.

The following is the criteria used by MEARS Authentications, LLC

Jerseys

MEARS evaluates game-used jerseys based on a 1-10 grading scale. Points are assigned for attributes such as manufacturer characteristics including tagging, lettering, numbering, size, patches, materials, style, and more. Points are also awarded for characteristics such as provenance, supporting imagery, wear, and use. Points are subtracted for condition issues, restoration, and other noted inconsistencies. Further detailed evaluation criteria for each grade
are listed below:

A5 (1997 To Present): Manufactures characteristics of the jersey have been compared to known authentic examples and are consistent with respects to what would be expected to be seen in a game issued jersey. Each piece is also evaluated on the degree of evident use and wear, which must be consistent with that of the player, sport, position, field of play, and duration of use. The degree of wear will be measured from minimal to heavy and the jersey cannot exhibit negative, missing, or incorrect manufacturer’s traits or use characteristics. When imagery analysis, team or player provenance is lacking, wear can be measured, but not attributed directly to examined player. Without reasonable and verifiable provenance for 1997 or prior Hall of Fame or period star player jersey’s, the A5 designation may still be assigned if the jersey possesses qualities and physical characteristics of a professional jersey that was manufactured for player use or as an extra for a team or player, or one that may have been made available for retail sale or promotion (while still containing the physical characteristics consistent with game issued jerseys). It should be noted that variances with respect to number/lettering placement, font, stitching, size, patch placement and other manufacturer’s characteristics may be present on MEARS A5 jerseys when compared to documented game used jerseys. A MEARS A5 jersey may still be assigned the grade without an accompanying photo match or may exhibit variations when compared to an examined available image.

Actually, your examples prove MEARs do classify A5 jerseys based on their review on whether they are likely to be team issued or game worn.

[Totalpackage]

Goldin's leadership team contacted and told me they will present me a resolution. I appreciated for their service. I also told them my only request is to cancel the order. Now, I am waiting for their response. By the way, Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[ThatGuyPal]

KhalDrogo won't be happy, he said it's on Mears only.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

KhalDrogo won't be happy, he said it's on Mears only.

[Giroux]

Man the game used market seems like a total racket

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

KhalDrogo won't be happy, he said it's on Mears only.

Derp derp.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If I were you, I wouldn’t bid with any auction house if you expect that degree of scrutiny from them on every item. That’s the whole purpose of the TPA.

If I’m Goldin, I would refund and move on. Keeping the customer is more valuable than collecting on this item. But the bums at Mears are the responsible ones.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by Giroux

Man the game used market seems like a total racket

As I've researched it more and more over the last few months this is my takeaway as well. It is incredibly common for reputable auction houses to present items as "game worn" despite knowledgeable collectors knowing there is a 0% chance of that being true. Not sure if it was in this auction but recently there was a Kobe jersey that was advertised by the auction house as "game worn" with a certificate of authenticity directly from the lakers themselves as well as mears. Seems like there would be no doubt it was worn by a Kobe in a game, right? According to the smart game-worn guys I follow on twitter there's pretty much 0 chance the jersey was actually game-worn.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Any update?

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Any update?

Still waiting...

[ThatGuyPal]

It's taking longer than expected for their production team to stage a photo of Paul in the jersey and also de-age him to rookie year lmao jk but hope it's resolved soon

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Still waiting...

Ken seems to be taking this one seriously.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Ken seems to be taking this one seriously.

Lolz.......

[Totalpackage]

The matter is resolved, ( order removed) I am happy with the resolution. Since the matter is resolved, there is no need to discuss further. Anyway, thank you for the helps!

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

The matter is resolved, I am happy with the resolution. Since the matter is resolved, there is no need to discuss further. Anyway, thank you for the helps!

Happy it's resolved for you, but

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

The matter is resolved, I am happy with the resolution. Since the matter is resolved, there is no need to discuss further. Anyway, thank you for the helps!

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