How did Beckett reach its impasse?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Brazenways

This has got to the best timed email of all-time - received this am from Beckett.

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So like certain politicians and countries, they just double down.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Most of this

Registry is the biggest miss BGS ever had. Rich people love to have junk measuring contests… and the registry is the ultimate for that

And then the 9.5 was always super dumb

People want 10’s even if the card is the exact same

Collectors are OCD and love to measure dongs

These are universal truths

I think you meant the Gold Label 10 and the Black Label 10. I thought that was so stupid. A 10 is a 10. But they're greed and other questionable shenanigans really set them up for failure. It's funny when I go to a card show there's never anyone at their booth. And the turn times are absurd.

The final nail in the coffin was there whole attitude towards collectors during covid that drew people away from their Grading Services. Whoever was in charge of that basically killed their business and reputation.

Also their ridiculous price guide collects dust at my LCS they must have hundreds if not thousands of unsold magazines stacked up behind the counter.

I could go on and on

[csmtampa]

Up until 2018/2019 Beckett was definitely the leader in grading modern

I miss the old days when we would have $5.50 group subs with PSA!

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

Yup and some the sleeziest are worshipped as hobby goats.

Why are Owners & Executives who had partaken in the sleaziest move in all sports continuously entering the MLB HOF. We all have greed but these colluders took it to a different level. These elitist’s took fraud to a new level by colluding to save roughly $285 million from 85-87. The current MLB Commissioner in 87 was working for MLB checking the integrity of the contracts. Now he is promoted to commissioner when he should have been just leaving the Penitentiary.

I guarantee these Owners had not only cheated their employees in baseball but in the other companies they have as well. Conspire with enough elitist’s and the laws are changed to harbor those that commit the worst crimes.

I would like be to call out a few people and have them put their hand on a book where it has ever lasting meaning and ask them if they were involved in some of the most Heinous acts. These people can use their greatest strength to go after others but their greatest strength is their greatest weakness. I don’t believe Mr. Beckett ever stole a life or lives.

[TheGoatOfLife]

When Wemby got drafted Beckett lost all its magic!


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[kukocitb]

Originally Posted by nbaicons

yup and some the sleeziest are worshipped as hobby goats.

completely agree!

[Arianny_Fan]

Fanatics will be the biggest evil this hobby has ever witnessed over any grading company

[netmasters]

It was as simple as it is easier to convince a mass amount of new people, who only care about value, that a 10 is worth more than a 9.5. In the middle of a boom there is no time to educate the masses nor do they want it. They want to play the game in the easiest way possible.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by netmasters

It was as simple as it is easier to convince a mass amount of new people, who only care about value, that a 10 is worth more than a 9.5. In the middle of a boom there is no time to educate the masses nor do they want it. They want to play the game in the easiest way possible.

PSA 10s have generally been worth more than BGS 9.5 for about a decade now. This isnt a new or recent trend.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by netmasters

It was as simple as it is easier to convince a mass amount of new people, who only care about value, that a 10 is worth more than a 9.5. In the middle of a boom there is no time to educate the masses nor do they want it. They want to play the game in the easiest way possible.

I’ve been advocating a “11” grade for over a decade but no company has brought the idea to life.

It would be the most dominating innovation ever in the card grading industry.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by mc1

PSA 10s have generally been worth more than BGS 9.5 for about a decade now. This isnt a new or recent trend.

Are they really worth more though? They're not to me. A BGS 9.5 = PSA 10, imo. I trust both companies about equally but trust BGS to give me a more accurate representation of my card overall given their stricter centering standards. However, in that same case, if I've purchased to flip then the chances are that I'm going to send to PSA

But it does introduce an interesting question. You have two slabs, same card. One is a PSA 9. The other is a PSA 10. The PSA 9, visually, looks great. The PSA 10 is great in all aspects, but has some heavy greening over time since being slabbed. Which card sells for more on ebay? More than likely, both cards sell close to comps and the greened 10 outsells the ungreened 9

The same thing happens with the acronym. People will pay more for "PSA" than "BGS" even though the slabs look worse and they're not, overall, any better at what they do (IMO)

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RKH916

Are they really worth more though? They're not to me. A BGS 9.5 = PSA 10, imo. I trust both companies about equally but trust BGS to give me a more accurate representation of my card overall given their stricter centering standards. However, in that same case, if I've purchased to flip then the chances are that I'm going to send to PSA

But it does introduce an interesting question. You have two slabs, same card. One is a PSA 9. The other is a PSA 10. The PSA 9, visually, looks great. The PSA 10 is great in all aspects, but has some heavy greening over time since being slabbed. Which card sells for more on ebay? More than likely, both cards sell close to comps and the greened 10 outsells the ungreened 9

The same thing happens with the acronym. People will pay more for "PSA" than "BGS" even though the slabs look worse and they're not, overall, any better at what they do (IMO)

So you agree with him. PSA sells for more

You wrote a whole lot for some reason to confirm that

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by RKH916

Are they really worth more though? They're not to me. A BGS 9.5 = PSA 10, imo. I trust both companies about equally but trust BGS to give me a more accurate representation of my card overall given their stricter centering standards. However, in that same case, if I've purchased to flip then the chances are that I'm going to send to PSA

But it does introduce an interesting question. You have two slabs, same card. One is a PSA 9. The other is a PSA 10. The PSA 9, visually, looks great. The PSA 10 is great in all aspects, but has some heavy greening over time since being slabbed. Which card sells for more on ebay? More than likely, both cards sell close to comps and the greened 10 outsells the ungreened 9

The same thing happens with the acronym. People will pay more for "PSA" than "BGS" even though the slabs look worse and they're not, overall, any better at what they do (IMO)

welcome back.

[Filthy]

Originally Posted by GuacamoleCards

Doesn’t take a lot of time at card shops and shows to recognize that the hobby attracts some of the dirtiest sleaze-balls around, and that’s before considering the influx of Flipper Bros.

This 100% You could have closed the thread with this mic drop. There really is no reason to discuss any further.

[netmasters]

Originally Posted by mc1

PSA 10s have generally been worth more than BGS 9.5 for about a decade now. This isnt a new or recent trend.

They were about even for True Gems and certainly True Gem + before the boom happened. Ever since the boom happened the gap has got wider every year. As the gap got wider BGS slowly died.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by netmasters

They were about even for True Gems and certainly True Gem + before the boom happened. Ever since the boom happened the gap has got wider every year. As the gap got wider BGS slowly died.

I'm all about the older BGS true gems -- they offer good value for my collection relative to PSA 10s.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Arianny_Fan

Fanatics will be the biggest evil this hobby has ever witnessed over any grading company

They already are.

[Arianny_Fan]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

They already are.

💯 we in it for the long run now

[frenchquarter]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’ve been advocating a “11” grade for over a decade but no company has brought the idea to life.

It would be the most dominating innovation ever in the card grading industry.

Remember SCD grading? They had an 11.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by frenchquarter

Remember SCD grading? They had an 11.

Sounds made up

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by frenchquarter

Remember SCD grading? They had an 11.

I remember scd grading but never remembered them promoting an 11 grade.

Would love to see a scan, haha!

[ThatGuyPal]

PSA being the quicker grader of the two during the pandemic killed it. Beckett still had a pretty strong foothold in reality and at shows before the pandemic regardless of what anyone says. Between PSA being quicker and lesser known and not known at all grading companies taking advantage of the situation and tricking people with flashy gimmicks (HGA has flashy slabs! OMFG IM IN!) a legacy grader was gonna have a rough time. SGC even overtook market share due to quicker grading time. Also didn't help that their strongest foothold was in hockey which didn't blow up as much.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

PSA being the quicker grader of the two during the pandemic killed it. Beckett still had a pretty strong foothold in reality and at shows before the pandemic regardless of what anyone says. Between PSA being quicker and lesser known and not known at all grading companies taking advantage of the situation and tricking people with flashy gimmicks (HGA has flashy slabs! OMFG IM IN!) a legacy grader was gonna have a rough time. SGC even overtook market share due to quicker grading time. Also didn't help that their strongest foothold was in hockey which didn't blow up as much.

Beckett missed their window for the bgs 11 during the pandemic.

They would have reigned supreme and remained one step ahead of psa had they done that.

I mean, who wants a psa 10 when you can get that extra oomph with a bgs 11?

[Nomad]

How did Beckett get sold to a $2 billion grifter? Was it a hostile takeover? Sell out?

[fenwaykid]

Hard to believe that not so long ago people would laugh at modern cards in a PSA 10 holder. I loved Beckett grading, but the days of their value to the hobby have come and gone.