First Buzz: 2024 Panini Three Count WWE wrestling cards

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by TheRock88

Looks like FOTL dutch auction has been listed on Panini's website.

Gonna be on Thursday Nov 14 at 12 pm EST/9am PST.

Starts at $400 and floor will be $200

FOTL exclusive is 2 FOTL-Exclusive Autographs #'d/10 or less and 1 FOTL-Exclusive Parallel #'d/4 or less or 1 Downtown Card

Honestly one of the better FOTL gimmicks in recent memory, 2 autos /10 plus 50/50 chance at a Downtown? I'm not interested but if I was and Select didn't just drop I'd be buying anywhere $275 or less since reg hobby will likely be around that.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Honestly one of the better FOTL gimmicks in recent memory, 2 autos /10 plus 50/50 chance at a Downtown? I'm not interested but if I was and Select didn't just drop I'd be buying anywhere $275 or less since reg hobby will likely be around that.

It doesn't say it's a 50/50 shot at a Downtown, only that it's either the base /4 or a Downtown. My guess is it'll be easier to pull the Downton in FOTL but not "every other box" easy, unless they are setting up some major product dilution.

I agree though, it's a shame the checklist is as unappealing as it is b/c this is a very nice FOTL offering...

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

It doesn't say it's a 50/50 shot at a Downtown, only that it's either the base /4 or a Downtown. My guess is it'll be easier to pull the Downton in FOTL but not "every other box" easy, unless they are setting up some major product dilution.

I agree though, it's a shame the checklist is as unappealing as it is b/c this is a very nice FOTL offering...

Yeah prob not 50/50 but it would almost be false advertising if it's 80/20 non-Downtown, it should say something like "/4 or less with rare boxes receiving a Downtown in place of the FOTL exclusive!". So odds are still pretty good if not every other box, I was also wrong on the auto as it's /10 or LESS which I doubt means 1/1 but could get an auto /5 assuming.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Honestly one of the better FOTL gimmicks in recent memory, 2 autos /10 plus 50/50 chance at a Downtown? I'm not interested but if I was and Select didn't just drop I'd be buying anywhere $275 or less since reg hobby will likely be around that.

Lol regular hobby is going to be $275 a box?!?! It's selling for $200 or less right now. Select was listed $300+ presale, then $250 presale, then $225, and days after release is actually selling for $175 a box. Why in the world with that big checklist would Three Count hobby be selling anywhere near $275 a box after release?

The big draw back on FOTL is you can't pull a 1/1. It's terrible when Panini has super low price drops. With only $8 drops who knows where it sells out. It could be $300 or it could hit the floor. Everyone always complains about the starting price which is stupid. It's the price drops and the floor price that matter. I wish the scale was $700-$200 and not $400-$200.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Lol regular hobby is going to be $275 a box?!?! It's selling for $200 or less right now. Select was listed $300+ presale, then $250 presale, then $225, and days after release is actually selling for $175 a box. Why in the world with that big checklist would Three Count hobby be selling anywhere near $275 a box after release?

The big draw back on FOTL is you can't pull a 1/1. It's terrible when Panini has super low price drops. With only $8 drops who knows where it sells out. It could be $300 or it could hit the floor. Everyone always complains about the starting price which is stupid. It's the price drops and the floor price that matter. I wish the scale was $700-$200 and not $400-$200.

Even admitting I didn't look up prices beforehand it's currently presale for $249.95 on this site so not sure where it is selling $200 or less. That isn't a big leap to $275 when as anyone knows depending on FOTL sell-out prices hobby can change. If it sells out at $300 I still say if this is your product it's worth the extra $50 given the exclusives. Im literally not seeing $200 anywhere though so I'm not gonna take that as the common price lol

You can look up WWE FOTL box prices and see how high they still are, Photogenic is $400 lol so it's not like I'm telling people to throw away money, stickers aside it's also a higher end brand in other sports so I said $275 as I don't think it's getting to $250 when thats hobby pre-sale but it's happened so possibly. I wasn't going to say buy at $225 if you really want it and it sells out at $275.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Even admitting I didn't look up prices beforehand it's currently presale for $249.95 on this site so not sure where it is selling $200 or less. That isn't a big leap to $275 when as anyone knows depending on FOTL sell-out prices hobby can change. If it sells out at $300 I still say if this is your product it's worth the extra $50 given the exclusives. Im literally not seeing $200 anywhere though so I'm not gonna take that as the common price lol

You can look up WWE FOTL box prices and see how high they still are, Photogenic is $400 lol so it's not like I'm telling people to throw away money, stickers aside it's also a higher end brand in other sports so I said $275 as I don't think it's getting to $250 when thats hobby pre-sale but it's happened so possibly. I wasn't going to say buy at $225 if you really want it and it sells out at $275.

There are actually people that post on here that still don't know BO never has the lowest presale price on anything above MSRP? BO's listed price is a figment of their imagination. They sell virtually no new and presale products at those listed prices unless the price is MSRP. They have Select hobby at $237.50 and it's actually selling for $175.

You can search WWE Three Count box on ebay. 18 total case sales with the highest barely being at $200 a box.

To say any distributor manipulated product not at MSRP will go up after release is a major stretch. I would guess between all sports 95% of Panini products priced above MSRP this year are down or stagnant from presale price. Doesn't mean it can't happen here but the odds are slim. Prizm hobby is even down to $170.

Photogenic WWE is an unsellable product in anything but single boxes. On dealernet and ebay there have been like 10 total case sales in a month. 1 total ebay sale. On popular not very limited products you will see that in a day or two.

Photogenic FOTL is an even bigger laugh. Just because maybe a couple people weeks ago got lucky selling a couple boxes doesn't mean that's the market. Again if you have a bunch of it it's unsellable. The highest offer on dealernet for awhile has barely been over $200 with no sales. If you had to sell right now even buying at the FOTL floor I don' think you'd break even. It sure as hell isn't $400 a box.

[Joshi City]

Case sales aren't box sales. Most people don't want a whole case, they want a box or two, its just a side hobby for most people. I'm not spending $2,200 on any one set and most people that post here aren't either. If I buy a special deal of four cases I can't then say the box price is whatever that is divided out. The last three boxes of Select sold on eBay for 225, 220, and 225. And a lot of people (including myself) prefer not to buy single boxes on eBay as they can be sorted/weighed/scanned or whatever else. So, most people when they buy online look at the four or five most trusted retailers (or buy direct). You seem to frequently quote case prices divided out as what a single box costs when its two different things to 95% of the people on here that collect wrestling cards.

This isn't the basketball or football forum, the majority of wrestling card collectors that post here aren't buying in bulk for their eBay stores, they are just collectors that maybe sell a handful of cards a month (like myself). Its two different markets, I'm never going to get a case of wrestling cards so the prices of cases doesn't impact me.

[machine74]

For me, I'd be in at $250 for a box. Not sure if it'll hit that, guessing $275. If not, I'll try to grab one at regular sale, cheapest found.

[ThatGuyPal]

You know you're never gonna change Moss mind so I'll just say

1) I didn't just use Blowout, two other major un-named competitors are also at $249.95, not sure why you'd assume that when I said I can't find $200 anywhere, leading to my next point

2) Many people, myself included would never buy boxes off Ebay which is where I kind of assumed you were getting prices from but I didn't even look up, as thats like comparing buying a product new from Wal-Mart Vs buying it from someone listing it brand new on FB Marketplace. The second it's out of the "store" it's worth less in my opinion even in case form. Not buying cases I also would never trust a single box from Ebay.

In the end it really just proves my point that $249.95 is a pretty universal pre-sale if you can't find other places lower outside Ebay. If you can find a legitimate LCS selling for that just post a screenshot marking out any identifiers of the LCS, I just want to see as I seriously cant find a place unless it's only on Ebay which point number 2. We can disagree but I'm standing on $249.95 being the avg presale thus making $275 for FOTL very fair.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

Case sales aren't box sales. Most people don't want a whole case, they want a box or two, its just a side hobby for most people. I'm not spending $2,200 on any one set and most people that post here aren't either. If I buy a special deal of four cases I can't then say the box price is whatever that is divided out. The last three boxes of Select sold on eBay for 225, 220, and 225. And a lot of people (including myself) prefer not to buy single boxes on eBay as they can be sorted/weighed/scanned or whatever else. So, most people when they buy online look at the four or five most trusted retailers (or buy direct). You seem to frequently quote case prices divided out as what a single box costs when its two different things to 95% of the people on here that collect wrestling cards.

This isn't the basketball or football forum, the majority of wrestling card collectors that post here aren't buying in bulk for their eBay stores, they are just collectors that maybe sell a handful of cards a month (like myself). Its two different markets, I'm never going to get a case of wrestling cards so the prices of cases doesn't impact me.

There is a prominent breaker you can buy Select hobby single boxes from right now for $175. I can't post direct seller competitor info on how to buy from them on BO. Just because you don't want to look around and message other prominent sellers and breakers doesn't mean the higher ebay price is the market price. Even then, last sale was $200 and there are a handful of listings for $215-$220 obo. At this point, if anyone thinks that a big 3 presale price over MSRP is market value you are just absolutely clueless.

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

You know you're never gonna change Moss mind so I'll just say

1) I didn't just use Blowout, two other major un-named competitors are also at $249.95, not sure why you'd assume that when I said I can't find $200 anywhere, leading to my next point

2) Many people, myself included would never buy boxes off Ebay which is where I kind of assumed you were getting prices from but I didn't even look up, as thats like comparing buying a product new from Wal-Mart Vs buying it from someone listing it brand new on FB Marketplace. The second it's out of the "store" it's worth less in my opinion even in case form. Not buying cases I also would never trust a single box from Ebay.

In the end it really just proves my point that $249.95 is a pretty universal pre-sale if you can't find other places lower outside Ebay. If you can find a legitimate LCS selling for that just post a screenshot marking out any identifiers of the LCS, I just want to see as I seriously cant find a place unless it's only on Ebay which point number 2. We can disagree but I'm standing on $249.95 being the avg presale thus making $275 for FOTL very fair.

Change my mind on what? The fact that Im telling you what the overall market is and you're saying Im wrong? The fact this is wrestling makes breakers and bigger buyers even more likely to sell at a lower price because it isn't a football or basketball product they can easily sell breaks for. Most of these people do not want to sell single boxes 1 at a time as it's a hassle. Especially if you're making no money.

You wouldn't trust single boxes on a hard to sell cheap product? As has been shown countless times, wrestling is harder to move in case form. Those guys are trying to sell it by the box because people like you won't buy a case. They aren't trying to rip you off on something like this. If you think overwise on a low cheap wrestling hobby product I mean just wow. Also saying that once it leaves a distributor/ Panini the price goes down is incredibly stupid. You sound like some of these idiots that have messaged me wanting me to drive countless hours to sell them something in person because they will not buy anything being shipped in the mail.

$250 is the universal presale for people that like to throw money away. I have no doubt that unless Three Count FOTL sells out at an astronomical price hobby will be available from several breakers and sellers for $200 or less a day before or right around release day. Again, you can't post exact competitor prices and info and how to buy from those guys on BO. Message other sellers/breakers if you want to save money. It's not that hard.

[Joshi City]

I trust breakers even less than I trust eBay but to each their own, I'll still stick to a trusted online retailers and not worry about spending an extra $25 for a box or two that I feel confident isn't searched/sorted/set aside for unknown reasons. Moss is oddly obsessed with what wrestling fans pay for wrestling boxes, let it go buddy. People can discuss the retail prices of boxes, its not a crime, no one is saying with enough work and trust there is nowhere in the world selling them a little cheaper.

[machine74]

Good luck to all who try for a box today.

[TheRock88]

Wow sold out at $300, a lot higher than I expected

[JustinVerlander07]

Looks like it sold out over $300?

[machine74]

Yeah I can't add any.

[Joshi City]

Too rich for my blood that's for sure. I may have it if hit $260ish but that was about the extent of my excitement.

[yea yea]

Looking at Checklist, The Rock doesn't have a downtown? Odd.

Cant tell from checklist, the downtowns wont have serial #'d versions right? No 1/1 Downtown or Golds /10?

[mnvikingstwins]

Better not be the usual bunch of idiots buying into WN/Facebook breaks priced out to $425 a box for FOTL

[ThatGuyPal]

Who would of thought lol

[slim2430]

Not surprised at all of the sellout price... incredibly low numbered guaranteed cards. My buy price was 300 but grabbed one at 308 and glad I did. My math might be off but only 1k boxes 100 cases made that's assuming 200 Downtowns mixed in FOTL. I will share the results after I rip still disappointed no Rhea base card seems so strange.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by yea yea

Looking at Checklist, The Rock doesn't have a downtown? Odd.

Cant tell from checklist, the downtowns wont have serial #'d versions right? No 1/1 Downtown or Golds /10?

Rock doesn't have one, and it doesn't look like it unless they missed it. Honestly feels like a cheap add-on gimmick to boost box sales, I mean look at the checklist Rock aside people have mentioned wrestlers left out who should of been on here. Plus 20 subjects? Did Miz, Gunther, Hunter-Hearst-Helmsley and not Triple H need one? They probably figure the checklist is large enough were people will hit Downtowns and be happy but large enough the good names like Austin, Cody, Hogan will still be pretty valuable even un-numbered.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by slim2430

Not surprised at all of the sellout price... incredibly low numbered guaranteed cards. My buy price was 300 but grabbed one at 308 and glad I did. My math might be off but only 1k boxes 100 cases made that's assuming 200 Downtowns mixed in FOTL. I will share the results after I rip still disappointed no Rhea base card seems so strange.

Good luck, look forward to seeing rips for this, I'm still waiting on Select lol people are prob gonna be shocked at initial Downtown prices like they are for every WWE case-hit lol Kabooms, Color Wheels etc

[mossoholic]

FOTL has a major price difference over hobby. Big questions are how often will Downtowns fall and how low will hobby fall. FOTL will still probably carry around a 75% difference over hobby. Right now, that seems big but most likely hobby will be $200 or below at release.

Panini could have made FOTL massive. If the /2s were 1/1s and Downtowns were 3-4 per case FOTL would probably be worth $500 a box. I guess there is still a chance on a bunch of Downtowns in FOTL but we will have to see breaks.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I trust breakers even less than I trust eBay but to each their own, I'll still stick to a trusted online retailers and not worry about spending an extra $25 for a box or two that I feel confident isn't searched/sorted/set aside for unknown reasons. Moss is oddly obsessed with what wrestling fans pay for wrestling boxes, let it go buddy. People can discuss the retail prices of boxes, its not a crime, no one is saying with enough work and trust there is nowhere in the world selling them a little cheaper.

Do what you want to do in terms in buying. What I care about is when a price is posted as fact when I know for a fact it's not. Saying something is the universal price is saying that's the price. Whether it's a dumb opinion or an educated opinion is one thing. It's another when you're telling someone the market price on a product is higher than you can easily find it at.

In the case of Select, it's not $25 like your claim. That $175 is out the door. If you're paying the $220-$225 you're paying tax. Maybe you're paying $230 no tax. Either way that's like a 30% price difference.

I get that in certain products there is big case hit that could already be pulled. But Select WWE isn't that product. If you think a prominent breaker selling millions of dollars worth of product and breaks a year is going to try to rip you off on a $175 box of Select WWE I don't know what to tell you other than you probably shouldn't be buying any boxes.

Now if you're talking the CT scanning stuff on the big products that's different. When we are talking about finding 6 and 7 figure cards in 4 and 5 figure products I would trust your "trusted" online retailer as much as everyone else.

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by slim2430

Not surprised at all of the sellout price... incredibly low numbered guaranteed cards. My buy price was 300 but grabbed one at 308 and glad I did. My math might be off but only 1k boxes 100 cases made that's assuming 200 Downtowns mixed in FOTL. I will share the results after I rip still disappointed no Rhea base card seems so strange.

I'm still concerned that the "chance of Downtown" is too vague and it could be a small chance. But I hope its a better chance than that and your rip yields good results.