First Buzz: 2023 Panini Immaculate Collection WWE

[Brobocop]

Saw The Shockmaster Immaculate Moments card, need that badly. Did Tug Boat sign it? I'd hope so!

[ssilva872]

If people hit Cameron Grimes, Naomi, Drew McIntyre, Wade Barrett, Alundra Blayze, Molly Holly, Kit Wilson, Elton Prince, and Austin Theory stuff and want to sell please think of me.

Cause I have a ton of new stuff to get now. I was lucky to see the 1/99 Wade Barrett auto (looked at the checklist and didn't even notice he was on it) so snagged that but that was the only thing so far I got. I'll be busy getting stuff though so if anyone wants the best chance of making a deal with me then the earlier the better.

Good luck to anyone else hunting for certain people. Especially fans of the crazy priced superstars like Tiffany, Bliss, Rhea, Roman, Cody, etc.

[Joshi City]

I don't watch breaks but someone was posting some pics on Twitter and there are so many redemptions. Roman, Trish, and Hogan are all redemptions for some (or all?) of their signed cards. Plus the bulk of the cards signed by 3+ wrestlers. I'm sure a good percentage will be redeemed successfully but it still would scare me.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I don't watch breaks but someone was posting some pics on Twitter and there are so many redemptions. Roman, Trish, and Hogan are all redemptions for some (or all?) of their signed cards. Plus the bulk of the cards signed by 3+ wrestlers. I'm sure a good percentage will be redeemed successfully but it still would scare me.

Yeah, I was thinking about jumping in to rip some of this once the price settled a bit post-release, but the number of redemptions just makes it such an unappealing proposition.

In my opinion, the redemptions are a bit more palatable in the lower-end boxes like Chronicles since you can still make up good value outside of a single auto, but so much of the value in these higher-end boxes is funneled up into the Big Hit of the box, and if that winds up being a white piece of cardboard with a redemption code, it's such a feel bad.

[JustinVerlander07]

The amount of redemptions are terrifying. I'd like a couple of the duals. (Steiners and Keibler/Wilson in particular), but I guess I'll wait to see if they go live.

[Joshi City]

I try to be... understanding that there will be some redemptions, especially for wrestlers that were injured and maybe not around the day of the signings. But having wrestlers like Hogan, Roman, etc. that normally are live is just disappointing, even if I think they will eventually be successfully redeemed it could take a year or longer with so many different factors.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I try to be... understanding that there will be some redemptions, especially for wrestlers that were injured and maybe not around the day of the signings.

This is a reasonable position to have, and I know that wishing for a release with a strong auto checklist and no redemptions is probably a bit impractical and idealistic. Topps was able to consistently produce sets with live on-card autos and no redemptions for years, but the trade-off there was weaker checklists and frequent delays.

So, there is probably not a perfect system to be found. However, I do think there is a threshold of acceptability, with something like 2022 Impeccable (small handful of redemptions) being fine and understandable, and something like 2023 Immaculate (redemptions every other box, many of the big names) being simply unacceptable.

It's hard to feel like the train hasn't gone off the rails when the core of your high-end product is basically a giant stack of IOUs and it feels like everyone is just kind of crossing their fingers and hoping for the best.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I try to be... understanding that there will be some redemptions, especially for wrestlers that were injured and maybe not around the day of the signings. But having wrestlers like Hogan, Roman, etc. that normally are live is just disappointing, even if I think they will eventually be successfully redeemed it could take a year or longer with so many different factors.

I swear I've seen Roman's name on a bunch of redemption reports in the past. Unless you mean specifically Immaculate last year which I'm not sure of.

[Kingofkings1281]

Roman hasn’t had live on card autos in quite a while. But all of my Immaculate redemptions were filled fairly quick. I wouldn’t be too worried if I pulled a redemption of his.

[LaloSalamanca]

I collect Tony D'Angelo mostly, and HE'S even a redemption in Immaculate...

[tomahawk]

Do the spotlight logo auto cards from this set bug anyone else? They seem unusually poorly designed from a graphic standpoint, with all this dead/negative space taking up the center of the card and a tiny little logo placed in the middle.

I mean, it's a cool concept with a strong checklist, I'm sure they'll sell very well, but I can't get over how clunky they look in the context of what is an otherwise typically well produced set visually.

[ThunderingHerd]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

Do the spotlight logo auto cards from this set bug anyone else? They seem unusually poorly designed from a graphic standpoint, with all this dead/negative space taking up the center of the card and a tiny little logo placed in the middle.

I mean, it's a cool concept with a strong checklist, I'm sure they'll sell very well, but I can't get over how clunky they look in the context of what is an otherwise typically well produced set visually.

The first time I saw one, I thought it was like a 1/1 logo shirt or something, but after I found out it was just a logo on the card, I thought it was dumb. A lot of wasted space. I feel like if they put the logo at the bottom centered it would look better, and just leave all the above space open for the signature. Or even like a water mark behind the signing area.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHerd

The first time I saw one, I thought it was like a 1/1 logo shirt or something, but after I found out it was just a logo on the card, I thought it was dumb. A lot of wasted space. I feel like if they put the logo at the bottom centered it would look better, and just leave all the above space open for the signature. Or even like a water mark behind the signing area.

Either of those options would have been better, and actually Immaculate in other sports utilizes the "Shadowbox" design/insert for this exact kind of thing. So yeah, it just does not make any sense the way they did it here; the laziest/least appealing way they could have possible designed the card.

[tomahawk]

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[Sribb43]

Looking for these Roman redemptions if anyone comes across.

Catchphrase /25
Championship Glory /10
Milestones /25
Nicknames /25
Spotlight Logos /10

[Rock_47802]

Anyone heard any news about the bigger names signing their redemptions? Hogan, Roman, etc

[Sribb43]

Originally Posted by Rock_47802

Anyone heard any news about the bigger names signing their redemptions? Hogan, Roman, etc

Hopefully this upcoming weekend at Summerslam these get signed

[Rock_47802]

Anyone know what “moment” Panini used for the Stone Cold redemption? The King of the Ring is live. Wondering why the other is a redemption?

[ThatGuyPal]

Someone pulled the 1/1 Milestones Gunther auto in a youtube vid yesterday (not breaker)....pretty good timing on that one lol

[excel_b]

Just pulled for me by Matt at The Fantastic / Blowouts

Very happy

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by excel_b

Just pulled for me by Matt at The Fantastic / Blowouts

Very happy

Even bigger 1/1

Congrats, huge card. Not a fan that they just always use shirt relics for these but the diamonds are probably one of the coolest parts they could of used and it looks good.

[ssilva872]

Huge pulls!

That Tiffany one is so nice to see but at the same time she knows it was the 1/1 so why didn't she inscribe it?

I mean I know they don't give her much room but if she just did it a little smaller she could have squeezed in "Tiffy Time". Or at least a couple hearts or xoxo.

I wonder if they are allowed to sign over the patch? Like would anyone like or dislike if someone did inscribe something there?

[Erndog]

Any word on if/when we could expect Roman's redemption to be signed?

[Rock_47802]

Originally Posted by Erndog

Any word on if/when we could expect Roman's redemption to be signed?

I have nearly every redemption in the queue… no word on him signing.