Has anyone watched “Starting 5” on Netflix?

[LondonGames]

Imagine being a man on a message board talking about some other dudes personal life.

[Nomad]

I guess that a lot of money invested in players makes collectors over-analyze. But to be fair, Ant put himself out there as the outspoken soul-destroying alpha, so of course he is under a microscope. I remember thinking of purchasing a couple Ant back in the day and then he had a couple no-reason-to-post-on-Instagram things that made me go uh-uh. He may very well be one of the best, but the risk is high as well. Learned that when I went back and looked at the values of my prized Bonds and McGwires.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

I am a parent of 4 (2 biological). When I met my wife she was a single mother. Sadly, The vast majority of American kids live in single parent homes but that by no means all the kids have bad fathers or that their fathers are not around to love them. Who says he is not or will not be apart of those kids life?? You speak as if he has nothing to do with them at all, which may or not be true but I don't believe either of us have those answers. Most kids that grow up with professional Athletes as parents rarely see that parent to begin with because of the schedules they have. Just because he is not married to those women doesn't really change a whole lot. Maybe Ant goes down the Shaun Kemp route but maybe he will still be a great father to those kids. Speaking in generalizations is not a very accurate way of looking at the world around you.

If I had to bet I would say that there are more men in the US that make $10 million or more that have children with multiple women than have children with only 1. Not sure if there would be a way to research that but my guess with be this.

This isn't really just about Edwards specifically, but still applies more broadly.

Kids who grow up without a father (both males and females) have significantly higher rates of negative outcomes later in life. Prison, mental health issues, obesity, anger problems, drug problems... etc. The boys are more in the violent outcome camp and the girls are more in the personal negative outcome camp

Kids, especially boys, need a strong male role model in their life. Back to Edwards, he clearly doesn't know what being a man is. It doesn't seem like he ever had someone in his life who taught him how to act right. It's not even just an isolated incident.

There was the chair incident, the multiple kids, the instagram video... This is just the stuff that's public, there's a giant iceberg under the surface that no-one sees. When you're a great player you get afforded lots and lots and lots of chances but without a role model or someone holding him accountable, eventually the grace runs out.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

This isn't really just about Edwards specifically, but still applies more broadly.

Kids who grow up without a father (both males and females) have significantly higher rates of negative outcomes later in life. Prison, mental health issues, obesity, anger problems, drug problems... etc. The boys are more in the violent outcome camp and the girls are more in the personal negative outcome camp

Kids, especially boys, need a strong male role model in their life. Back to Edwards, he clearly doesn't know what being a man is. It doesn't seem like he ever had someone in his life who taught him how to act right. It's not even just an isolated incident.

There was the chair incident, the multiple kids, the instagram video... This is just the stuff that's public, there's a giant iceberg under the surface that no-one sees. When you're a great player you get afforded lots and lots and lots of chances but without a role model or someone holding him accountable, eventually the grace runs out.

I totally agree but just because the father and mother are not together does not mean the father is not in the kids lives and or a good father to said kids which is the point Im making. If he turns out to be a dead beat father then I cannot defend that but none of us know at this point if thats the case. Throwing it out there like that's already facts is inaccurate.

In the US 40-50% of first marriages and 60-67% of second marriages end in divorce. So thats roughly half of the children born into dual parent homes that end up with the father not in the home. (I say father because children almost always end up with the mother). That doesn't mean fathers just abandon the children afterwards. Even if the mother and father never get married and split doesn't always mean the father has nothing to do with the kids. Does it happen absolutely, does it apply to all absolutely not.

Ill wait until I have a chance to watch the remaining episodes before making any further comments, I could be totally wrong and it shows that Ant is a deadbeat father.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

I totally agree but just because the father and mother are not together does not mean the father is not in the kids lives and or a good father to said kids which is the point Im making. If he turns out to be a dead beat father then I cannot defend that but none of us know at this point if thats the case. Throwing it out there like that's already facts is inaccurate.

In the US 40-50% of first marriages and 60-67% of second marriages end in divorce. So thats roughly half of the children born into dual parent homes that end up with the father not in the home. (I say father because children almost always end up with the mother). That doesn't mean fathers just abandon the children afterwards. Even if the mother and father never get married and split doesn't always mean the father has nothing to do with the kids. Does it happen absolutely, does it apply to all absolutely not.

Ill wait until I have a chance to watch the remaining episodes before making any further comments, I could be totally wrong and it shows that Ant is a deadbeat father.

Fwiw, I'm not trying to say he was a deadbeat in the sense that most people associate with that word. From all indications he just wasn't in Edwards' life.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

I totally agree but just because the father and mother are not together does not mean the father is not in the kids lives and or a good father to said kids which is the point Im making. If he turns out to be a dead beat father then I cannot defend that but none of us know at this point if thats the case. Throwing it out there like that's already facts is inaccurate.

In the US 40-50% of first marriages and 60-67% of second marriages end in divorce. So thats roughly half of the children born into dual parent homes that end up with the father not in the home. (I say father because children almost always end up with the mother). That doesn't mean fathers just abandon the children afterwards. Even if the mother and father never get married and split doesn't always mean the father has nothing to do with the kids. Does it happen absolutely, does it apply to all absolutely not.

Ill wait until I have a chance to watch the remaining episodes before making any further comments, I could be totally wrong and it shows that Ant is a deadbeat father.

and not to get too far down a rabbit hole but this is probably a huge contributing factor to the massive increase in mental health issues in this country

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

and not to get too far down a rabbit hole but this is probably a huge contributing factor to the massive increase in mental health issues in this country

Maybe but I would say social media is the leading cause for children by a long shot. There has always been single parents.

[Antman5]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

Imagine being a man on a message board talking about some other dudes personal life.

It’s the usual suspects too lol. They first claimed Edwards was a bust and a one way dimensionalchucker but now that’s proven false, they are moving to his personal life lol.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Antman5

It’s the usual suspects too lol. They first claimed Edwards was a bust and a one way dimensionalchucker but now that’s proven false, they are moving to his personal life lol.

Go ahead and quote anyone who said he was a "bust". I'll be waiting Obviously rhetorical because nobody said that and you just made it up to make yourself feel better

Here's a quote from when he was drafted

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's actually the exact opposite with Edwards. He has a super high ceiling but also low floor. Especially low floor if he doesn't put in the work to maximize his talents. He's a true boom or bust guy

oh and by the way he was a 1-dimensional volume scorer until last season when he was *slightly* above average as a defender.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Antman5

It’s the usual suspects too lol. They first claimed Edwards was a bust and a one way dimensionalchucker but now that’s proven false, they are moving to his personal life lol.

How would you know anyone called him a bust? You're only new here.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

How would you know anyone called him a bust? You're only new here.

I think we know how

[Antman5]

Slightly above average defender is just a wild take LoL.

😂

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Antman5

Slightly above average defender is just a wild take LoL.

😂

Can you point to a single stat that paints him as an elite defender? All you need to do is find 1 for me.

Also rhetorical because you can't, because they don't exist. Which just leads us down the path to "muh eye test" and instagram highlight videos of steals and blocks

[GOATcards]

OMG i'm ~$25 into Ant cards, the pain

[GOATcards]

I think what the hobby/industry fretters about Anthony Edwards' future are trying to say is, if he's apparently got his priorities out of whack or something, not making the best judgments, looks like one of those multimillionaires going broke stories in the making, is he going to have enough BBIQ to power on through to championships? It's about the hardware. Is his BBIQ over and above athleticism enough to make him near-comparable to a young MJ to get him high hardware prospects? Hardware. Bring it. Can Ant do it? That's all that matters.

[Antman5]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Can you point to a single stat that paints him as an elite defender? All you need to do is find 1 for me.

Also rhetorical because you can't, because they don't exist. Which just leads us down the path to "muh eye test" and instagram highlight videos of steals and blocks

I watch the games, 80+ a season. You check the stats, pick one that favors your agenda, raise your victory flag lacking context and calls it a day. There’s a lot of nuances in this game lol. You can talk to a wall if you want but you’re not going to win this argument given how wrong you’ve been with the guy—-and he’s only just beginning lol.

Good luck.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Antman5

I watch the games, 80+ a season. You check the stats, pick one that favors your agenda, raise your victory flag lacking context and calls it a day. There’s a lot of nuances in this game lol. You can talk to a wall if you want but you’re not going to win this argument given how wrong you’ve been with the guy—-and he’s only just beginning lol.

Good luck.

Who should we believe, the guy with Ant in his userID who 'watches the games' but can't list a single stat or someone using numbers?!?!

He didn't say he sucked, he just said not elite, and he isn't.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Antman5

I watch the games, 80+ a season. You check the stats, pick one that favors your agenda, raise your victory flag lacking context and calls it a day. There’s a lot of nuances in this game lol. You can talk to a wall if you want but you’re not going to win this argument given how wrong you’ve been with the guy—-and he’s only just beginning lol.

Good luck.

All those words just to say you don't have any

I haven't picked any stats, I'm asking you to do that to support your position, which you can't.

[Antman5]

I’m not playing your stupid game, go pick and sell some more peppers lol.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Antman5

I’m not playing your stupid game, go pick and sell some more peppers lol.

Amazing how just asking for stats struck such a nerve with you

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

I think what the hobby/industry fretters about Anthony Edwards' future are trying to say is, if he's apparently got his priorities out of whack or something, not making the best judgments, looks like one of those multimillionaires going broke stories in the making, is he going to have enough BBIQ to power on through to championships? It's about the hardware. Is his BBIQ over and above athleticism enough to make him near-comparable to a young MJ to get him high hardware prospects? Hardware. Bring it. Can Ant do it? That's all that matters.

Exactly, In the card world nobody really cares about how baby mamas you have anyways. Its all about what you do on the court and if you are a winner. MJ had affairs and a gambling problem, Kobe had his affair, Magic we all know, Bird is a legitimate deadbeat father (has a biological daughter from his first wife that he married when he was 19 that he has nothing to do with) and list can go on and on. As long as you are not getting arrested or flashing guns on IG all that matters is personality, on court performance and winning.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Exactly, In the card world nobody really cares about how baby mamas you have anyways. Its all about what you do on the court and if you are a winner. MJ had affairs and a gambling problem, Kobe had his affair, Magic we all know, Bird is a legitimate deadbeat father (has a biological daughter from his first wife that he married when he was 19 that he has nothing to do with) and list can go on and on. As long as you are not getting arrested or flashing guns on IG all that matters is personality, on court performance and winning.

100% agree but there's also a much longer list of guys who's off court stuff derailed their career and prevented them from reaching their potential

If Edwards doesn't mature, he's headed in that direction no matter how great he is or can be as a player

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

100% agree but there's also a much longer list of guys who's off court stuff derailed their career and prevented them from reaching their potential

If Edwards doesn't mature, he's headed in that direction no matter how great he is or can be as a player

all's I care about is his BBIQ and therefore ring prospects, Bron said it's about IQ he must have gotten smarter after the '11 choke???

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

100% agree but there's also a much longer list of guys who's off court stuff derailed their career and prevented them from reaching their potential

If Edwards doesn't mature, he's headed in that direction no matter how great he is or can be as a player

For sure on the first part, Im so curious whats in these next few episodes that makes Ant look like he is going to be one of those guys. Everything I've ever seen from him has been positive, attitude, work ethic, personality. Ant had my respect when he spoke out about players taking games off, saying that its not right, that people in the stands paid a lot of money to come to the game to see their favorite players play and that it might be the only game they can afford to come see that year.

The chair incident to me was overblown, he didn't throw the chair at the woman, he was mad after a loss and tossed a chair that happened to hit a bystander. It wasn't intentional in the slightest.

[GOATcards]

BBIQ and Mamba Mentality combined, surefire superstardom in age 24-32 prime, my eyes are seeing dollar signs