Cracked BGS Submitted To PSA - Much Lower Grades

DeepDiscounts · 09-30-2024, 02:28 PM

I recently cracked out (3) previously graded BGS cards for submission to PSA. I've done this several times before and received either the same grade (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 10) or something very close (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 9).

This time though, I was shocked at the grade discrepancies and wondering did BGS miss what PSA found or maybe BGS wasn't as strict? Has anyone else received multiple lower grades and left wondering what the heck happened?

Here are the details:
BGS 9 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface 8.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention an indention, which would affect the surface grade.

BGS 9 (Centering: 10, Corners: 8.5, Edges: 9.5, Surface 9.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention corner wear.

BGS 9.5 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface: 10) - Becomes a PSA 8. Grader notes mention scratches on back, but BGS graded surface as a 10???

towerymt · 09-30-2024, 03:20 PM

What did you see on the cards when you inspected them after cracking out? Did you inspect the cards closely? We obviously don't know what these look like or if any of the flaws are there or as severe as the grades would indicate.

What were your expected grades?

I have not had this happen, but I have seen BGS corner grades that were generous when compared to typical PSA standards.

"9.5" corners that look like they'd be lucky to pull a PSA-9, for example.

DeepDiscounts · 09-30-2024, 03:27 PM

Yes, I looked over the cards after cracking out and didn't see anything major (basically I agreed with BGS on the subgrades).

On the BGS 9's, I was expecting at best, a PSA 9 or at worst a PSA 8, not 7's.

On the BGS 9.5, definitely was hoping for nothing lower than a PSA 9.

Delta5 · 10-01-2024, 05:16 AM

Now crack it and sub it to Bgs again

tmoore_25 · 10-01-2024, 09:20 AM

And then crack them and resub them to PSA. It will be a fun experiment.

sickmantz · 10-08-2024, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepDiscounts

I recently cracked out (3) previously graded BGS cards for submission to PSA. I've done this several times before and received either the same grade (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 10) or something very close (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 9).

This time though, I was shocked at the grade discrepancies and wondering did BGS miss what PSA found or maybe BGS wasn't as strict? Has anyone else received multiple lower grades and left wondering what the heck happened?

Here are the details:
BGS 9 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface 8.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention an indention, which would affect the surface grade.

BGS 9 (Centering: 10, Corners: 8.5, Edges: 9.5, Surface 9.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention corner wear.

BGS 9.5 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface: 10) - Becomes a PSA 8. Grader notes mention scratches on back, but BGS graded surface as a 10???

Seems like a grader issue. Please Submit Again.

Seatown206 · 10-08-2024, 12:43 PM

Even BGS slabs with great subgrades need to be examined carefully when cracked; their grading is so lenient. So many times, BGS slabs have a 9.5 on the surface, and then you find a huge indent when you crack it ou

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepDiscounts

I recently cracked out (3) previously graded BGS cards for submission to PSA. I've done this several times before and received either the same grade (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 10) or something very close (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 9).

This time though, I was shocked at the grade discrepancies and wondering did BGS miss what PSA found or maybe BGS wasn't as strict? Has anyone else received multiple lower grades and left wondering what the heck happened?

Here are the details:
BGS 9 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface 8.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention an indention, which would affect the surface grade.

BGS 9 (Centering: 10, Corners: 8.5, Edges: 9.5, Surface 9.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention corner wear.

BGS 9.5 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface: 10) - Becomes a PSA 8. Grader notes mention scratches on back, but BGS graded surface as a 10???

DynaEtch · 10-08-2024, 01:40 PM

Part of it could be the way they prioritize different damage (like does PSA react more harshly to any corner damage, etc). But what I think this really shows is the arbitrariness of grading.

I’ve made my stance known before about not being a fan of grading, one reason the inconsistency.

Heck I just got a CGC 10 card off ebay, and it looks to be like it has literal paper loss on one of the back corners, and also a non-sharp corner as one of the front corners. Even the centering isn’t best. It’s certainly not one of the finest, “gem mint” examples of the card. I’ll be stuck with it, which is ok since it’s also a CGC signature series and I really care about the auto the most, but man grading leaves so much to be desired.

Dereth · 10-16-2024, 08:39 AM

What BGS considers to be a an 8.5, 9, or otherwise nice for corners can be really questionable compared to PSA. I’ve seen a lot of BGS slabs with good corner grades that have corners that are downright embarrassing.

rohara99 · 10-16-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dereth

What BGS considers to be a an 8.5, 9, or otherwise nice for corners can be really questionable compared to PSA. I’ve seen a lot of BGS slabs with good corner grades that have corners that are downright embarrassing.

People need to actually look at the cards. I've had PSA 9's with bent/dinged corners as well.

6celtics33 · 10-20-2024, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rohara99

People need to actually look at the cards. I've had PSA 9's with bent/dinged corners as well.

They don’t want to hear that part. I went to bid and buy a frank Thomas pinnacle skylines PSA 10 recently on fanatics. A ton of surface issues. Part of his hat was gone. PSA 10.

mc1 · 10-20-2024, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Part of it could be the way they prioritize different damage (like does PSA react more harshly to any corner damage, etc). But what I think this really shows is the arbitrariness of grading.

I’ve made my stance known before about not being a fan of grading, one reason the inconsistency.

Ive seen cards that were 7.5 to 8.5 in BGS holders and when submitted to PSA they only come back as a 6. If you look at the subgrades of the BGS cards it could have a 9.5 or 9 in 3 of 4 but if the corners or surface are a 7.5 then you can assume PSA graded harshly due to the corners/surface.

aggie4ever · 10-20-2024, 12:10 PM

There's definitely a difference in how the two companies grade. For BGS, the other subgrades can pull up a non-mint card to mint. Like in your two examples where the corners or surface is 8.5. The other subgrades pulled it up to a 9. For PSA, the damage/wear that caused the 8.5 subgrade means the card isn't mint, so it got a near mint grade. The only BGS 8.5 subgrade you can try to get bumped up is centering in most cases.

I will say, BGS hammers refractor lines, and those often result in a 8 or 8.5 surface subgrade. PSA doesn't hammer cards due to refractor lines since they aren't technically damage. So these can result in PSA 9's and sometimes even 10's.

09-30-2024, 02:28 PM	#1
DeepDiscounts Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 149 DeepDiscounts	Cracked BGS Submitted To PSA - Much Lower Grades I recently cracked out (3) previously graded BGS cards for submission to PSA. I've done this several times before and received either the same grade (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 10) or something very close (BGS 9.5 -> PSA 9). This time though, I was shocked at the grade discrepancies and wondering did BGS miss what PSA found or maybe BGS wasn't as strict? Has anyone else received multiple lower grades and left wondering what the heck happened? Here are the details: BGS 9 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface 8.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention an indention, which would affect the surface grade. BGS 9 (Centering: 10, Corners: 8.5, Edges: 9.5, Surface 9.5) - Becomes a PSA 7. Grader notes mention corner wear. BGS 9.5 (Centering: 9.5, Corners: 9, Edges: 9.5, Surface: 10) - Becomes a PSA 8. Grader notes mention scratches on back, but BGS graded surface as a 10???

09-30-2024, 03:20 PM	#2
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,608	What did you see on the cards when you inspected them after cracking out? Did you inspect the cards closely? We obviously don't know what these look like or if any of the flaws are there or as severe as the grades would indicate. What were your expected grades? I have not had this happen, but I have seen BGS corner grades that were generous when compared to typical PSA standards. "9.5" corners that look like they'd be lucky to pull a PSA-9, for example. __________________ In search of... 2018 Topps Chrome Update Max Scherzer #HMT77: Superfractor 2019 Topps Update Carter Kieboom #US109: Platinum

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10-08-2024, 01:40 PM	#8
DynaEtch Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 9,057	Part of it could be the way they prioritize different damage (like does PSA react more harshly to any corner damage, etc). But what I think this really shows is the arbitrariness of grading. I’ve made my stance known before about not being a fan of grading, one reason the inconsistency. Heck I just got a CGC 10 card off ebay, and it looks to be like it has literal paper loss on one of the back corners, and also a non-sharp corner as one of the front corners. Even the centering isn’t best. It’s certainly not one of the finest, “gem mint” examples of the card. I’ll be stuck with it, which is ok since it’s also a CGC signature series and I really care about the auto the most, but man grading leaves so much to be desired. __________________ ~~~ '90s trading cards === Golden Era ~~~

09-30-2024, 03:27 PM	#3
DeepDiscounts Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 149 DeepDiscounts	Yes, I looked over the cards after cracking out and didn't see anything major (basically I agreed with BGS on the subgrades). On the BGS 9's, I was expecting at best, a PSA 9 or at worst a PSA 8, not 7's. On the BGS 9.5, definitely was hoping for nothing lower than a PSA 9.

10-01-2024, 05:16 AM	#4
Delta5 Member Join Date: Aug 2024 Posts: 2,690	Now crack it and sub it to Bgs again

10-16-2024, 08:39 AM	#9
Dereth Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 419	What BGS considers to be a an 8.5, 9, or otherwise nice for corners can be really questionable compared to PSA. I’ve seen a lot of BGS slabs with good corner grades that have corners that are downright embarrassing.

10-20-2024, 12:10 PM	#13
aggie4ever Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,742 aggie4ever	There's definitely a difference in how the two companies grade. For BGS, the other subgrades can pull up a non-mint card to mint. Like in your two examples where the corners or surface is 8.5. The other subgrades pulled it up to a 9. For PSA, the damage/wear that caused the 8.5 subgrade means the card isn't mint, so it got a near mint grade. The only BGS 8.5 subgrade you can try to get bumped up is centering in most cases. I will say, BGS hammers refractor lines, and those often result in a 8 or 8.5 surface subgrade. PSA doesn't hammer cards due to refractor lines since they aren't technically damage. So these can result in PSA 9's and sometimes even 10's.