Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Did Alex Smith win a SB in KC before Mahomes got there? Over the past 3 years all Pass yardage and pass TDs are down across the board as defenses have adjusted to the pass friendly league. Its not just a Mahomes thing. Plus those huge TD years from Mahomes came when he had a guy named Tyreek as well. He has not been easy to replace stats wise but they keep finding a way to win.

I'd argue Mahomes best year was actually the year after tyreek left. He proved his haters wrong and won mvp that year

And no, I never said Mahomes is on equal level with Alez Smith obviously..I'm just saying I'm confident if (Burrow, Lamar, Allen) got the same situation they'll win at least the same amount of SB

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I'd argue Mahomes best year was actually the year after tyreek left. He proved his haters wrong and won mvp that year

And no, I never said Mahomes is on equal level with Alez Smith obviously..I'm just saying I'm confident if (Burrow, Lamar, Allen) got the same situation they'll win at least the same amount of SB

I agree, but my point is that since Tyreek has left its been a make shift WR core so you can't expect 40-50 TDs every year. Rice came on last year and was looking really good to start this year, they made the trade for Brown that hasn't panned out and I think Worthy is going to be solid the more he plays. They have tried to beef up the WR room but the moves just haven't worked out yet but they are still winning. What more can you ask of a QB? When you need to make a play to stay in the game, is there really another QB in the league you would rather have?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

I usually dont comment in this thread but man this is sad. Mahomes’ regular season stats are irrelevant to his legacy at this point. Anybody who doesn’t understand this should refrain from commenting in this thread.

The stats matter to his hobby prices though. The cupboard is pretty bare for the Chiefs on offense. The season looks like a loss for stat accumulation. I still have them as the favorites, and that matters more long term. The stats will be there in the future. But this might be a painful season for people trying to flip.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

I agree, but my point is that since Tyreek has left its been a make shift WR core so you can't expect 40-50 TDs every year. Rice came on last year and was looking really good to start this year, they made the trade for Brown that hasn't panned out and I think Worthy is going to be solid the more he plays. They have tried to beef up the WR room but the moves just haven't worked out yet but they are still winning. What more can you ask of a QB?

If you rely on a single WR to make huge plays then I wouldn't call that as elite QB. JJ made Sam Darnold look good with big plays, but nobody thought Darnold > Mahomes, it's not just stats and big plays, even eye test tell you that Mahomes is on decline from his peak (which is incredibly high). Will we ever see that peak again ? Elite QB takes up most of the cap space, Mahomes is no longer on rookie contract which makes sense why reek left, cause they also need to pay first ballot HOF Chris Jones and first ballot HOF Travis Kelce. With that roster, Mahomes (or at least peak Mahomes) should still be able to make explosive plays. Defense obviously adjust to him and learnt his playstyle but he should be able to adapt to it

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The stats matter to his hobby prices though. The cupboard is pretty bare for the Chiefs on offense. The season looks like a loss for stat accumulation. I still have them as the favorites, and that matters more long term. The stats will be there in the future. But this might be a painful season for people trying to flip.

Long term stats matter unless Mahomes just wants to walk away after 10-12 seasons with however many Super Bowls he has at that point. If he has 5+ he'll probably be considered GOAT regardless of how many passing yards/TDs he has.

Mahomes seems like a good long term hold so maybe there will be a dip. That would be great.

[Rabs]

There is an "Ignore List" for a reason everyone...

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The stats matter to his hobby prices though. The cupboard is pretty bare for the Chiefs on offense. The season looks like a loss for stat accumulation. I still have them as the favorites, and that matters more long term. The stats will be there in the future. But this might be a painful season for people trying to flip.

Mahomes price index is actually up 9% over the past 3 months, and 3 months ago they were up about 9% since an April lag. As someone who has bought and sold Mahomes during that period, I'd say the comps generally show that steady rise.

[jacksonjj]

Just because it's getting routine at this point to keep the posting streak alive. Over half way to the Patriots record.

Tough game against SF next, especially if CMC is back. After that: Raiders, Bucs, Broncos, Bills, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, Browns..

Saints W
Chargers W
Falcons W
Bengals W
Ravens W
49ers W
Ravens W
Bills W
Dolphins W
Chargers W
Bengals W

[Scottish Punk]

Are we really going down the Mahomes has peaked narrative already? If the "eye test" is him not scrambling around as much anymore than I would call that maturity not decline. The end goal is to become more like Manning/Brady and less like Favre. He still has some years of peak QB play left in him. Team is transitioning around him and he has to adjust a bit of course.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Are we really going down the Mahomes has peaked narrative already? If the "eye test" is him not scrambling around as much anymore than I would call that maturity not decline. The end goal is to become more like Manning/Brady and less like Favre. He still has some years of peak QB play left in him. Team is transitioning around him and he has to adjust a bit of course.

Brady had a 6-8 year lull in the middle of his career too...

[blackbears86]

I actually thought Patty had his strongest game of the year last night. Highs in yards and yards per pass (331 and 8.5).

The INT was a little behind JuJu, but still a catchable ball IMO.


However, as others have said, this will likely be a severe down year counting stats wise for patty. Unless something magically happens when the injured guys come back.

The defense, as always, has been fantastic. They have given up 29 total points in the second half through 5 games, which is absolutely ridiculous. The defense has been some of the best I've seen in the last few years.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Brady had a 6-8 year lull in the middle of his career too...

Yeah, this will happen with Mahomes. Reid will be gone, Kelce will be gone. Team will rebuild around him. Brady went from a game manager with a great defense and running game to doing the lion's share of the load on offense. While completely changing the personnel of the team. That transition usually involves a few down years.

[Earlsnake07]

Serious question......especially for the members who have been around this thread for a while.

Which is more accurate:

A - most of the posts in this thread are IN FAVOR of PM
B - most of the posts in this tread are trolling/hating or not fans of PM





I agree that his was PM's best looking game of the year - a few off passes, but much better than the previous 4 games IMO


The biggest concern for me with this team is red zone efficiency. KC is #30 in scoring TD's once reaching the red zone and that is horrible for a team this talented. Obviously that is nick picking, but really want to see some TD's rather FG's once in the red zone.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I actually thought Patty had his strongest game of the year last night. Highs in yards and yards per pass (331 and 8.5).

The INT was a little behind JuJu, but still a catchable ball IMO.


However, as others have said, this will likely be a severe down year counting stats wise for patty. Unless something magically happens when the injured guys come back.

The defense, as always, has been fantastic. They have given up 29 total points in the second half through 5 games, which is absolutely ridiculous. The defense has been some of the best I've seen in the last few years.

He did have a good game. The fact that the trolls are declaring his end based on an interception that hit his receiver in both hands tells you all you need to know. They showed all of his records last night for all time first 100 games but those don't count. It's over. He's 5-0 but should be 7-0 or 8-0 by now I guess.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

Serious question......especially for the members who have been around this thread for a while.

Which is more accurate:

A - most of the posts in this thread are IN FAVOR of PM
B - most of the posts in this tread are trolling/hating or not fans of PM





I agree that his was PM's best looking game of the year - a few off passes, but much better than the previous 4 games IMO


The biggest concern for me with this team is red zone efficiency. KC is #30 in scoring TD's once reaching the red zone and that is horrible for a team this talented. Obviously that is nick picking, but really want to see some TD's rather FG's once in the red zone.

You just have to look at the post count for the thread to see that the trolls never last. They show up after a loss but since those are few and far between, you just have flashes in the pan like delta who burn out quickly when the Chiefs keep winning.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

You just have to look at the post count for the thread to see that the trolls never last. They show up after a loss but since those are few and far between, you just have flashes in the pan like delta who burn out quickly when the Chiefs keep winning.

I asked you yesterday but you didnt answer so I'll ask again. What's your definition of troll?

[imbluestreak23]

He's still going at it!!?

Impressive stamina sir, impressive indeed

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I asked you yesterday but you didnt answer so I'll ask again. What's your definition of troll?

I'll answer since I think I'm about to add you to the ignore list anyways.

A quick google search defines a troll as "someone that intentionally does or says something annoying or offensive in order to upset someone or to get attention or to cause trouble". That's exactly you. No need to respond. The fact that 78 of your 162 posts are in this thread and about half of the others are in the NFL Discussion thread all talking about how Mahomes is overrated just shows your intentions. Personally I think it's kind of a sad way to go through life but you do you.

[MallcopKJ]

I'm impressed how quickly people pivoted from, "WINS DONT MATTER IN FOOTBALL! IT'S A TEAM SPORT! WINS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT STAT FOR A QUARTERBACK! BRADY BEATING MAHOMES HEAD TO HEAD MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE BRADY HAD BETTER TEAMS THAN MAHOMES!!! MAHOMES STATE ARE BETTER! IF WINS WERE ALL THAT MATTERED, ELI MANNING WOULD BE THE GOAT! BLEHHHH!"

Mahomes then wins a bunch of games with below average stats...

"WINS ARE ALL THAT MATTER!!!! STATS MEAN NOTHING!! BLEHHHH!"

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MallcopKJ

I'm impressed how quickly people pivoted from, "WINS DONT MATTER IN FOOTBALL! IT'S A TEAM SPORT! WINS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT STAT FOR A QUARTERBACK! BRADY BEATING MAHOMES HEAD TO HEAD MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE BRADY HAD BETTER TEAMS THAN MAHOMES!!! MAHOMES STATE ARE BETTER! BLEHHHH!"

Mahomes then wins a bunch of games with below average stats...

"WINS ARE ALL THAT MATTER!!!! STATS MEAN NOTHING!! BLEHHHH!"

Ssh, it's wins all that matter now while it fits their agenda

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

The biggest concern for me with this team is red zone efficiency. KC is #30 in scoring TD's once reaching the red zone and that is horrible for a team this talented. Obviously that is nick picking, but really want to see some TD's rather FG's once in the red zone.

Absolutely agree. This is a playmaker problem and a Reid likes to get cute problem. Kelce is washed. 5 targets in the red zone in the first five games. Even more alarming is the 8 total targets in the second half. He’s not the guy he used to be, and there isn’t anybody to fill that void.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by MallcopKJ

I'm impressed how quickly people pivoted from, "WINS DONT MATTER IN FOOTBALL! IT'S A TEAM SPORT! WINS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT STAT FOR A QUARTERBACK! BRADY BEATING MAHOMES HEAD TO HEAD MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE BRADY HAD BETTER TEAMS THAN MAHOMES!!! MAHOMES STATE ARE BETTER! IF WINS WERE ALL THAT MATTERED, ELI MANNING WOULD BE THE GOAT! BLEHHHH!"

Mahomes then wins a bunch of games with below average stats...

"WINS ARE ALL THAT MATTER!!!! STATS MEAN NOTHING!! BLEHHHH!"

I'm more impressed by the "CHIEFS ARE 5-0 AND ONE OF ONLY TWO REMAINING UNDEFEATED TEAMS. MAHOMES IS WASHED UP! THIS IS THE END!!!"

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by Delta5

If you rely on a single WR to make huge plays then I wouldn't call that as elite QB. JJ made Sam Darnold look good with big plays, but nobody thought Darnold > Mahomes, it's not just stats and big plays, even eye test tell you that Mahomes is on decline from his peak (which is incredibly high). Will we ever see that peak again ? Elite QB takes up most of the cap space, Mahomes is no longer on rookie contract which makes sense why reek left, cause they also need to pay first ballot HOF Chris Jones and first ballot HOF Travis Kelce. With that roster, Mahomes (or at least peak Mahomes) should still be able to make explosive plays. Defense obviously adjust to him and learnt his playstyle but he should be able to adapt to it

He doesn't just rely on 1 WR to make huge plays but when you have a guy like Tyreek it helps pad the stats, so when a guy like that is gone guys like you say hes on the decline because of 5 games with no help. Even you said his best year is the year TH left and he was MVP. You're kind of arguing against your own argument at this point. Like I said earlier If you look at the entire NFL over the last 3 years passing yardage and passing TDs are down big time across the board so its not isolated to just Mahomes.

[imbluestreak23]

6 years in and morons still are failing the eye test

Explains why half the country is about to vote for a beta male and a professional knob polisher

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

6 years in and morons still are failing the eye test

Explains why half the country is about to vote for a beta male and a professional knob polisher