Kylian Mbappe Rookies

[chiefs]

I like the world cup prizm because France won that year and despite losing last wc, he still has an outside chance at 3 WC wins. Also I don't follow it to closely but I have heard he has political aspirations after playing which would be nice to have the France kit.

Select is an easy #3 for me because prizm > select and the card is horizontal.

It really is do you want club or country for the card

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[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by chiefs

but I have heard he has political aspirations after playing which would be nice to have the France kit.

I don't think he does. Just like most younger people in Europe, he spoke out about voting for the far right parties coming out of the woodwork.

[Dereth]

Population:

2017 Topps Chrome - 2755 (1366 PSA10)
2017 Select - 442 (163 PSA10)

Aesthetic and brand preferences aside, the Select is much more rare than the Topps Chrome is.

[Bradley5280]

Originally Posted by Dereth

Population:

2017 Topps Chrome - 2755 (1366 PSA10)
2017 Select - 442 (163 PSA10)

Aesthetic and brand preferences aside, the Select is much more rare than the Topps Chrome is.

That’s a very interesting point. I think at a certain level rarity does factor in to the equation. It seems like there’s a case to be made for each card- W/C for country and representing to many the biggest tournament in the world which they won, Topps Chrome for heritage, Select for rarity (and image over TC in my opinion). I did notice when looking that Select was a tougher find which supports the numbers you presented.

[brewtown107]

Originally Posted by Dereth

Population:

2017 Topps Chrome - 2755 (1366 PSA10)
2017 Select - 442 (163 PSA10)

Aesthetic and brand preferences aside, the Select is much more rare than the Topps Chrome is.

2017 Topps Museum Collection #31 - 75 (6 PSA10)

This is another legit RC option for Mbappe, and yet no one even mentions it in this thread up to now. Why? Because ppl don't care about Museum Collection. It's rare, but not very relevant. Same is true with regard to the Select card, which is a lower tier brand/product than Museum Collection even, and the Select card also has a horizontal pic, which is generally unpopular.

Collect what you like, for sure, but don't let someone fool you into thinking rare=more valuable in this hobby. That's not always the case.

[YayNJ]

Museum came out two months after the 2017-18 season had finished, and almost a year after Select.

[avalanchefan21]

imo would consider this his first true rookie card
https://en.todocoleccion.net/sticker...BoCiRsQAvD_BwE

obviously the 2017 panini foot sticker is indeed his true rookie but it is a sticker

[703dispensary]

Originally Posted by avalanchefan21

obviously the 2017 panini foot sticker is indeed his true rookie but it is a sticker

Good luck with the traction on that.

[avalanchefan21]

meh a footy collector's tree fitty

I like the eye appeal better of the crack card even though its an insert

[fadster]

Originally Posted by 703dispensary

Good luck with the traction on that.

I've been hearing that narrative for 5 years or so and in that time the Foot has maintained a healthy price advantage over the Chrome refractor with near identical pops in PSA 10. During the boom, the refractor reached around 50%-70% of the Foot price but has since settled back to around 30%-50%.

If you want a nice card to be one of the centrepieces of your collection, the chrome colours are absolutely the way to go, but as long as 2016/17 comes before 2017/18 there will always be a place for the Foot with many collectors too.

[crdbored]

Prices don't lie on the 16/17 Foot vs 17/18 Chrome Refractors:

Here are two sales from earlier this year. Both in a PSA 9.

16/17 Foot $671

17/18 Chrome Refractor $304

[Ianhatcher]

The latest 16/17 Foot in a PSA 9 have been selling for around $500 down from around $700 this summer and the 17/18 Chrome Refractor has been trending up over $400.

Buy what but you like but you are not going to convince many people that the Topps Chrome is not clear and away the most preferred RC of Mbabpe especially the color parallels. The horse has been drug out and beaten many times over this topic.

[avalanchefan21]

He played with Monaco before psg so it's sacrilegious to call his psg cards rookies when he has cards from a legit manufacturer out there showing him with Monaco.

I digress w/ the statement collect what you like

[YayNJ]

I think with time we will see more acceptance of his Foot. It has to be. As Europe and Asia start to take over the grip on soccer cards, it will happen IMO.

traditional 'American' trading card 'rules' don't fit soccer.

[703dispensary]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

traditional 'American' trading card 'rules' don't fit soccer.

It's football mate. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I know the OP said other than stickers but they seem to have interjected themself into the conversation. Does the sticker have variations to it that also take a piece of the pie so to speak? Just thinking about the comment about the comparison of recent sticker sale price to a card sale price where that is certainly a consideration.

[crdbored]

Definitely think the Foot sticker has legs considering Mbappe started off with Monaco.

But to bring back the conversation to his shiny stuff, we can look at the psa census and agree the base select is rarer but but we can't calculate the print run of that card because 17-18 Select had hobby and retail and no odds.

The parallels are interesting to follow with a big sale a few days ago.
17-18 Chrome Red Refractor /10 PSA 9 $51,240
I could not find a recent sale of the Gold Select but there was a sale 2 years ago.
17-18 Select Gold /10 PSA 9 $74,400

Prices two years ago were higher across the board. The Gold is likely closer to the Red but hard to say without a sale.
Here's a base psa 10 from 2022 $721 vs an ebay sale of a base psa 10 $285.02
I know we can't compare base to sp parallels but just to show how prices have changed from two years ago.

***Couldn't help myself comparing a 16-17 Foot PSA 10 to a 17-18 Chrome Purple /250 PSA 10.
Obviously the 16-17 Foot isn't serialized but it does has a PSA 10 pop of 217 and the Purple has 250 copies.
16-17 Foot PSA 10 $2,034.88 vs 17-18 Chrome Purple /250 PSA 10 $2,164.00
Sales for these 2 fluctuate and the Foot PSA pops can continue to rise but two interesting comparisons for the sticker believers.

[pspa123]

Naive question, what is the underpinning of the disrespect many seem to have for stickers? Coming from a baseball card mentality my initial reaction when looking at Mbappe and thinking about buying one was well of course the 2016 is the real rookie because it's earlier. But in looking further I see a lot of people discounting the sticker and preferring the later "cards." Not questioning it but the sticker looks enough like a card to me that I don't really appreciate the difference?

[bobbycass]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Naive question, what is the underpinning of the disrespect many seem to have for stickers? Coming from a baseball card mentality my initial reaction when looking at Mbappe and thinking about buying one was well of course the 2016 is the real rookie because it's earlier. But in looking further I see a lot of people discounting the sticker and preferring the later "cards." Not questioning it but the sticker looks enough like a card to me that I don't really appreciate the difference?

Americans didnt collect baseball stickers so they see stickers as less than cards. But Europeans, for the most part, collected Panini stickers. There is no doubt in my mind that his rookie "card" is the 2016 Panini sticker.

But if you didnt spend a fortune opening a case of cards designed in the States then it doesnt count, apparently.

[YayNJ]

^ this

[yiguiri2002]

We'll all die and the argument between stickers and cards will still be out there.

There's no true "rookie". There's a rookie sticker and a rookie card. I don't collect stickers (except for albums) and only care about cards. There are people that only collect stickers and don't care about cards. Tons of people collect both.

[pspa123]

When the sticker came out in 2016 when he was hugely popular as the chosen one, were a lot of people like, no thanks, I'll wait till next year when he has a real CARD?

[Ianhatcher]

Nobody cared about Mbappe cards/stickers or soccer really until Spring of 2020 as he was guy that kicked off the COVID boom for the sport. People were freaking out because his 2018 Prizm was going for $20 and scrambling to go through their boxes. Cases of 17/18 Chrome were $600 earlier in the year and then skyrocketed pretty fast and the set really took off.

The only people that seem to have a problem is the sticker guys in this thread. Buy what you like but you are not going to convince the rest of us to stop collecting the 17/18 Topps Chrome as our most preferred RC.

That set is iconic for soccer collectors and the fact it has an Mbappe early cards is icing on the cake. End of story.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Nobody cared about Mbappe cards/stickers or soccer really until Spring of 2020

That's just not true in the slightest.

You mean soccer was the last of the major sports to be poison touched by the US based flipper / crypto / grifter / pumpers. The rest of the world, and some Americans were quite happily collecting incredible sets well before then.

[fadster]

FWIW the Foot was definitely a thing pre 2018 World Cup, I remember looking for one. There was then a big spike during the World Cup to what were silly levels for football at the time and then it fell a lot but still well above pre-world cup levels.


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[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

That's just not true in the slightest.

You mean soccer was the last of the major sports to be poison touched by the US based flipper / crypto / grifter / pumpers. The rest of the world, and some Americans were quite happily collecting incredible sets well before then.

I'm talking about from a monetary value so that is all anyone seems to care about in this thread. Try and keep up instead of just jumping at any chance to bash American collectors on a site created by an American company. Sure the foot was up there but nothing like it got too and the Chrome and Select were cheap.

And lets not act like everyone who collected didn't benefit off it not just American collectors. All the same ones whining about how expensive the hobby is now lol