2024 topps update should be loaded! Right?

[oldgoldy97]

5 Everyday Examples That Prove Water Is NOT Wet!
This concept is far easier to illustrate than to explain. So here are some examples that prove water is NOT wet.

Heat! Wetness is like heat. When you touch a hot object, you feel heat, but the object itself isn't "heat." Similarly, when you touch water, you experience wetness, but water itself is not "wet."

Fire! Fire can burn things, but fire itself is not "burnt." Likewise, water can make things wet, but water itself is not wet.

Color! A blue ball has the quality of "blueness," but we wouldn't say the color blue is a ball. The ball is just an object that has the quality of the color blue.

Electricity! A battery can provide electricity to power electronic devices, but the battery itself is not "electricity." The battery stores electrical energy and can transfer it to other objects, allowing them to function. Similarly, water has the quality of wetness and can transfer that wetness to other objects when it comes into contact with them. However, this doesn't mean water itself is wet, just like the battery is not electricity.

Light! A flashlight can create light, but the flashlight itself is not "light." Just like that, water can make things wet, but the water itself is not wet.

So is a flashlight light? Of course not. And for that same reason, water is NOT wet!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Bradley5280

Thanks for the insight! And agreed, I guess it’s more so if I had to choose one to get a double of to either squirrel away as a gift or “investment” then it’s good to understand. Ie if I’m on the bay and I see a base debut going for a bit more than a base then I’ll know it might not be a great deal. I’m 70:30 collect:invest although the lady would say I’m 100:0 hoard:sell but it’s still nice to understand value even as a collector

It still might be a good deal. Some of it depends on the picture they use. For example, a batting image tends to have more value than a fielding image.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Great, then get out if you don't like it?

There's no new ground breaking discovery in what you've said. It's not Topps's fault that's the theory you think the hobby is founded on.

Let me ask you this: What are you trying to accomplish? What is your end goal?

This is all entertainment for me, like pretty much everyone else here.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

This is all entertainment for me, like pretty much everyone else here.

That doesn't answer my questions?

What are you hoping your explanations/education accomplishes?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

That doesn't answer my questions?

What are you hoping your explanations/education accomplishes?

A unique, personal perspective, like everyone else here.

We’re all from different backgrounds and have different hobby and life goals. We were brought together by our passion for sports cards.

[oldgoldy97]

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

A unique, personal perspective, like everyone else here.

We’re all from different backgrounds and have different hobby and life goals. We were brought together by our passion for sports cards.

Yeah that's not the same as what you said earlier, that you were explaining things because people here don't understand.

The people here do understand why prices are going up. The greater fool theory has been in the hobby long before breaks were popular.

What is unique or personal about whining about increasing prices? There's nothing unique about that.

How does complaining about breakers and people that buy into breaks, ie people that do the hobby different than you, bring us together? How is you complaining on about every product good for the hobby and the community?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Why are more people getting into the hobby, what has attracted them to spend money here? What is the motivation?

Dig deeper.

Anyone who thinks the gambling aspect or the ability to make money is the reason for the massive influx of consumers in the market is clueless. That is a tiny fraction of the reasons for the explosion of the card market in the last 7 years. The single biggest reason for the boom is 40 somethings returning to collecting. That coupled with the covid phenomenon and the numbers dwarf those coming into the market to invest.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Yeah that's not the same as what you said earlier, that you were explaining things because people here don't understand.

The people here do understand why prices are going up. The greater fool theory has been in the hobby long before breaks were popular.

What is unique or personal about whining about increasing prices? There's nothing unique about that.

How does complaining about breakers and people that buy into breaks, ie people that do the hobby different than you, bring us together? How is you complaining on about every product good for the hobby and the community?

People who complain about people who complain?

That’s doing it the BO way, for sure. It’s a who’s who of those guys in this thread.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Anyone who thinks the gambling aspect or the ability to make money is the reason for the massive influx of consumers in the market is clueless. That is a tiny fraction of the reasons for the explosion of the card market in the last 7 years. The single biggest reason for the boom is 40 somethings returning to collecting. That coupled with the covid phenomenon and the numbers dwarf those coming into the market to invest.

Collector number I believe has grown, but their financial impact hasn’t outweighed the total new investor dollars that have entered the hobby.

[wilsonsingles]

Originally Posted by whitmm

The LCS selling 12 individual boxes for more than the cost of a case is the same thing. Those 12 people that box loose boxes collectively paid more for that case.

Are you fine with that?

most LCS's don't reduce case prices by that much anymore.
maybe 2-3% case price reduction.

look at distributors/Blowout, they don't give big case price breaks either.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by wilsonsingles

most LCS's don't reduce case prices by that much anymore.
maybe 2-3% case price reduction.

look at distributors/Blowout, they don't give big case price breaks either.

Never said it was big. They are still doing it.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

People who complain about people who complain?

That’s doing it the BO way, for sure. It’s a who’s who of those guys in this thread.

Glad you admit all you do is complain.

Also, not sure why you're shocked when you get responses because you say stuff like "people here don't know any better." You make comments that are meant to elicit a response. Don't cry why you get one

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Collector number I believe has grown, but their financial impact hasn’t outweighed the total new investor dollars that have entered the hobby.

They're not mutually exclusive groups. Many of the people who returned to the hobby saw the opportunity to make money. But again, it isn't breaking that drew them in. Your blame is misplaced.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I was told after the pandemic letdown that all the investor bois had left the message boards, just to find out that all who remained are ……. Investor bois, lol.

I’m an investor boi?

I haven’t sold a card in years, and I don’t plan to do so. Why am I an investor boi?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

I’m an investor boi?

I haven’t sold a card in years, and I don’t plan to do so. Why am I an investor boi?

Anyone not actively attempting to destroy all breakers for raising wax prices is an investor boi to cardbro.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Anyone not actively attempting to destroy all breakers for raising wax prices is an investor boi to cardbro.

dont forget flipperboi, too

[Bradley5280]

Originally Posted by whitmm

It still might be a good deal. Some of it depends on the picture they use. For example, a batting image tends to have more value than a fielding image.

Oh wow, that actually makes sense I guess. With Elly de la Cruz being a big chase this year do you think that the images of him running beat out or match the batting? I believe I’ve seen some cards in other sets of him running which got me wondering if that’s a more desirable card given his speed on the bases. Of course it’s tough to compare sets but I guess if all things were equal I’d be curious.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

They're not mutually exclusive groups. Many of the people who returned to the hobby saw the opportunity to make money. But again, it isn't breaking that drew them in. Your blame is misplaced.

It’s not the breakers alone. It’s a complex dynamic that involves many parties.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Glad you admit all you do is complain.

Also, not sure why you're shocked when you get responses because you say stuff like "people here don't know any better." You make comments that are meant to elicit a response. Don't cry why you get one

I’ll share some knowledge regarding topps update. Many dealers can get this product for cheaper after the initial allocations, especially from breakers who don’t want to sit on this product although they are “forced” to purchase it. Some breakers will even lose money on it just to get rid of it.

So frequently, customers can take advantage of that discount from dealers locally and be able to buy in at a lower price if they are patient and don’t have the compulsion to rip and flip immediately. Or is that just common knowledge?

Does that sound like complaining?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

I’m an investor boi?

I haven’t sold a card in years, and I don’t plan to do so. Why am I an investor boi?

Who are you?

If you haven’t sold a card in years, you’ve missed out on a great opportunity to buy back lower.

If you’re not an investor boi, continue to enjoy collecting!

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Anyone not actively attempting to destroy all breakers for raising wax prices is an investor boi to cardbro.

Originally Posted by bub838

dont forget flipperboi, too

They're most likely Bronbois too.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

They're most likely Bronbois too.

Get back to the grill, you’re charring the burgers!

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Get back to the grill, your charring the burgers!

you're

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

you're

Autocorrect.

You get no overtime today.