Patrick Mahomes Prices

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Patty's second worst yardage total ever. But I'd rather have 150 yards and a win than 350 and a loss.

Get used to it. Tjforce and I were discussing the low yardage stat lines of QB's in another thread:

Originally Posted by tjforce

Kind of interesting: So far this year we've had 17 NFL games and only 2 300+ yard passing performances (Tua, Stafford). On the other hand, there have been 18 games in which the Quarterback lasted the whole game and threw for less than 200 yards.

Wonder how much that changes on Sunday.

Originally Posted by 2010gbpackers

It's not going to change anytime soon, IMO. The NFL has put so much emphasis on the QB position, it is forcing teams to play 2-deep safeties which is designed to keep everything contained to a 15-yard shell. The teams who are best designed to beat this type of scheme will reign supreme. The Chiefs on opening night were a perfect example - Mahomes with 1 and 3-step drops firing it to Rice on short slants. You actually saw this begin happening last season with Mahomes not having a statistically great season, however, he and Reid are too good at their jobs and they were forced to dink and dunk (no negative connotation implied) to another SB.

We will see this continue as teams try to keep themselves in games by lowering the opponents' time of possession and not give up back-breaking chunk plays. Since most teams' O-Line's are built for pass protection and their offenses are designed with the RB as an afterthought, I believe high-flying offenses will cease to exist in the near term. Perhaps this will be the start of the resurgence of premier RB's again.

[foleylion08]

Patty now on pace for 26 TDs and 26 picks.

[MyckKabongo]

* First of all, Mahomes was very good against the Ravens.

* When the Chiefs weren't turning it over they were busy running successfully running the ball, hence the relatively low passing yardage. Leading to my next point..

* I have mixed feelings about the emergence of the power running game. On the one hand, sure, it's great. Gonna be massive in short yardage situations and should enable some low effort victories. On the other hand the risk/reward of running just isn't that great vs passing, especially when you have Mahomes. The Chiefs will likely lose a game or two this year due to Andy forcing the run when he should've let Mahomes cook.

* Felt lucky to come out with this W. SMH at folks who took the Chiefs against the spread--should've known the Bengals would give their best shot.

* While it's early these 2 wins are likely to be massive for the #1 seed. Despite each having turned in a stinker so far, these are still 2 of the very best teams in the AFC.

[MyckKabongo]

The defensive schemes to take away the deep passing game have already been around for two years. SSS and effects of de-emphasizing the preseason may well explain most of the 300+ yard passing dearth. I'm doubtful there's a real trend here, but if there is I'd argue the proliferation of dual threat QBs is one of its biggest drivers.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

Patty now on pace for 26 TDs and 26 picks.

And a 17-0 records.

I'd take it.

[Rabs]

Pacheco fractured his fibula. Probably miss 4-6 weeks.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by HBMC

Considering the Bengals nearly executed their perfect game plan to defeat the Chiefs, the Chiefs obliged by making critical mistakes on top of the Bengals being mostly efficient when it mattered early, and they still lost?

Football is one strange sport.

The Chiefs ran 12 plays in the fourth quarter and only netted 34 yards. They were 1-8 on 3rd Down, lost TOP by a smidge, lost the Turnover battle and Untimely penalties wiped away big gainers and the INT Mahomes threw to Davis-Gaither was not a good look on his part (maybe he couldn't fully rifle it past AD-G because of pressure, I haven't had a chance to do a deep dive), but they persevered.

The first pick was an interesting one...

Mahomes read the play left to right, with Kelce crossing the field in that direction and Pacheco bowing out the flats to the right. As Kelce cleared the play side linebacker, Mahomes threw the ball to him, anticipating that the weak side linebacker would be influenced by Pacheco in the flats. He wasn't. He left Pacheco uncovered (and it would have been an easy 8 yards at least) and was able to jump the Kelce route.

Bengals rolled the dice by running an unconventional defense on that play and it worked out.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Pacheco fractured his fibula. Probably miss 4-6 weeks.

Fingers crossed it's only 4-6. As for the state of the team:

-On the worrysome end, Brown and Pecheco are now out. They're okay at WR (esp if they can get Worthy to keep improving). They need to get Kelce going. Rice is legit

-Running back depth is just not there right now. Steele and Perine will get more reps, but you'd love to see another decent body in there.

-Left tackle seems to be up in the air. Hendrickson exposed Kingsley yesterday, and then drew the penalty on 4th and 6 against Morris that almost cost the game.

-The good news:

-The defense is healthy and looks pretty good. They have trouble with tight ends it seems, but overall they've been able to bend but not break and made a big play yesterday to help win.

-The rest of the Oline is still healthy.

-Omenihu will be back later this year and CEH might too.

-And most of all, the team is 2-0 with a 2.5 games lead on Baltimore and Cincy. The two biggest games on the schedule for 1st seed purposes arent until 9 and 14 weeks away (Bills and Texans). I still don't know what to expect from Atlanta, but the Chargers/Saints/49ers portion of the schedule is looking challenging right now.

[jacksonjj]

Chiefs are 2-0 after starting the season against the consenses 2 and 3 best teams in the AFC.

Could care less how they got there. As has been stated, this is huge for playoff seeding and is very likely to be the reason for a #1 seed.

[imbluestreak23]

When you drop 8 on D, offense needs to run the ball. Chiefs now run the ball well. Passing stats won't look good.

I hope the flippers dump good cards if they don't understand the above.

[pejc300]

So much fun stuff here. The last 3 years Patty's INTs have been 13, 12, and 14. He had some really unlucky picks last year as we know, with good old Toney dropping balls right into opponents hands. But he has also had some bad ones and yesterday was one of the worst I've seen, where it seems like he didn't even see the linebacker. The second one is fine and the DB just made an insane play. I think Mahomes was right on the money yesterday in his interview when he said Baltimore and the Bengals are familiar opponents who know the Chiefs well, so they scheme accordingly and basically it just becomes a battle of wills and a lucky break or two. I think as the schedule goes on, Patrick is going to light up less familiar opponents.

Patrick said yesterday that Kelce is basically double teamed every single play, which I'm sure is true, but there's no doubt he's losing a few steps because great players make plays even when the defense keys in on them.

Losing Pacheco is a HUGE blow. He was running really well to start the season. I think the positive is it might open up Mahomes a little more.

As others have said, being 2-0 after playing Baltimore and Cincy is outstanding and I'll take it 100/100 times. At this point we're counting super bowls, not regular season TDs. I'd be much more worried if I invested in Trevor Lawrence or Lamar or Bryce Young or Will Levis or pretty much any one else other than C.J. Stroud who looks pretty sharp.

No one is worried about the Saints. Derek Carr is going to Derek Carr real soon.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Fingers crossed it's only 4-6. As for the state of the team:

-On the worrysome end, Brown and Pecheco are now out. They're okay at WR (esp if they can get Worthy to keep improving). They need to get Kelce going. Rice is legit

-Running back depth is just not there right now. Steele and Perine will get more reps, but you'd love to see another decent body in there.

-Left tackle seems to be up in the air. Hendrickson exposed Kingsley yesterday, and then drew the penalty on 4th and 6 against Morris that almost cost the game.

-The good news:

-The defense is healthy and looks pretty good. They have trouble with tight ends it seems, but overall they've been able to bend but not break and made a big play yesterday to help win.

-The rest of the Oline is still healthy.

-Omenihu will be back later this year and CEH might too.

-And most of all, the team is 2-0 with a 2.5 games lead on Baltimore and Cincy. The two biggest games on the schedule for 1st seed purposes arent until 9 and 14 weeks away (Bills and Texans). I still don't know what to expect from Atlanta, but the Chargers/Saints/49ers portion of the schedule is looking challenging right now.

Well said! I have a feeling they're going to try to get by with Steele and Perine as a 1-2 combo, and I think this is a terrible idea. Also, we've seen CEH be "the guy" before and it hasn't been pretty. In the past we've seen KC get too prideful in these types of situations and not make any changes. There's got to be someone out there who can fill in.

And re: left tackle...yeah, it's absurd to have a rookie protecting Mahomes' blind side. How can we never figure this out when we have such studs on the interior?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Well said! I have a feeling they're going to try to get by with Steele and Perine as a 1-2 combo, and I think this is a terrible idea. Also, we've seen CEH be "the guy" before and it hasn't been pretty. In the past we've seen KC get too prideful in these types of situations and not make any changes. There's got to be someone out there who can fill in.

And re: left tackle...yeah, it's absurd to have a rookie protecting Mahomes' blind side. How can we never figure this out when we have such studs on the interior?

If it gets too bad....

Joe Thuney is out best left tackle. That being said, Andy uses the beginning of the season as development. Remember 2 years ago when we have all those rookie DBs getting toasted early in the year, then come up big in the playoffs? Andy's not going to sacrifice too much long term development for September football

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by pejc300

So much fun stuff here. The last 3 years Patty's INTs have been 13, 12, and 14. He had some really unlucky picks last year as we know, with good old Toney dropping balls right into opponents hands. But he has also had some bad ones and yesterday was one of the worst I've seen, where it seems like he didn't even see the linebacker. The second one is fine and the DB just made an insane play. I think Mahomes was right on the money yesterday in his interview when he said Baltimore and the Bengals are familiar opponents who know the Chiefs well, so they scheme accordingly and basically it just becomes a battle of wills and a lucky break or two. I think as the schedule goes on, Patrick is going to light up less familiar opponents.

Patrick said yesterday that Kelce is basically double teamed every single play, which I'm sure is true, but there's no doubt he's losing a few steps because great players make plays even when the defense keys in on them.

Losing Pacheco is a HUGE blow. He was running really well to start the season. I think the positive is it might open up Mahomes a little more.

As others have said, being 2-0 after playing Baltimore and Cincy is outstanding and I'll take it 100/100 times. At this point we're counting super bowls, not regular season TDs. I'd be much more worried if I invested in Trevor Lawrence or Lamar or Bryce Young or Will Levis or pretty much any one else other than C.J. Stroud who looks pretty sharp.

No one is worried about the Saints. Derek Carr is going to Derek Carr real soon.

The Saints only need to Carr to manage the game When you can run the football and play Defense-you win a lot of games. We will see in a couple weeks

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If it gets too bad....

Joe Thuney is out best left tackle. That being said, Andy uses the beginning of the season as development. Remember 2 years ago when we have all those rookie DBs getting toasted early in the year, then come up big in the playoffs? Andy's not going to sacrifice too much long term development for September football

That sequence at the end of the game could have been a disaster. The Chiefs were settling for FG kicker to make a 50+ field goal to win the game? It was like they weren’t even trying to get closer

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

That sequence at the end of the game could have been a disaster. The Chiefs were settling for FG kicker to make a 50+ field goal to win the game? It was like they weren’t even trying to get closer

Nope. They have so much faith in Butker kicking a 51 yarder that they didn't want to risk a sack, hold call, or any other penalty that would make it a much tougher kick.

Do you blame them? On the last 2 drives you had:

-A Trey Hendrickson sack that cost 5 yards
-A hold on Trey Hendrickson that cost 51 yards
-An illegal hands to the face of Trey Hendrickson that cost 31 yards.


The guy was a 1 man wrecking crew in the end of that game.

[KardsC1]

Silver lining is Worthy gets forced to get better quick as well as the other running backs…and hopefully we get Brown back mid Dec as a tune up for playoffs …add Omennihu later in the season will also help …injures are a part of the game for all teams , we just have to steady the ship til the playoffs ..which I trust the chiefs the most on critical moments

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Silver lining is Worthy gets forced to get better quick as well as the other running backs…and hopefully we get Brown back mid Dec as a tune up for playoffs …add Omennihu later in the season will also help …injures are a part of the game for all teams , we just have to steady the ship til the playoffs ..which I trust the chiefs the most on critical moments

Exactly. Honestly I am so much less nervous this year than I was last year. Getting that 3rd championship took a lot of proverbial monkeys off our backs (I say our, knowing I am a fake Chiefs fan unlike you all who are the real fans). Knowing they did not have a good team last year and were playing like crap going into the playoffs and then beating the 3 best teams out there including the last 2 on the road...I mean at this point why would we sweat anything? We have a better roster this year and already have the tie-breaker against the Bengals and Ravens. The only thing that changes anything is an injury to Mahomes (knocking on wood as we speak).

It's not to sit back and not be a nervous wreck this year!

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

The Saints only need to Carr to manage the game When you can run the football and play Defense-you win a lot of games. We will see in a couple weeks

I feel bad for Saints fans. Honestly. They are getting their hopes up (why wouldn't they). Derek Carr didn't become Joe Montana overnight. He will revert back to what he is soon. I hope not for their sake, but I just have to be realistic.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I feel bad for Saints fans. Honestly. They are getting their hopes up (why wouldn't they). Derek Carr didn't become Joe Montana overnight. He will revert back to what he is soon. I hope not for their sake, but I just have to be realistic.

I'm on the Saints bandwagon. Just imagine the potential SB matchup if the Saints end up being the best team in the NFC.. AFC teams licking their chops. Gimme that matchup 10/10 times. Of course the Saints could get lucky and win, but you're playing percentages. Everyone should be rooting for the Saints in this thread.

[Earlsnake07]

KC is bringing back an old face....Hunt. I figured Jett would get the call.

Game in 2 weeks is actually looking like it may be an early season big game (@ Chargers) - only real question is will the home team have more red or blue in the stands.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I feel bad for Saints fans. Honestly. They are getting their hopes up (why wouldn't they). Derek Carr didn't become Joe Montana overnight. He will revert back to what he is soon. I hope not for their sake, but I just have to be realistic.

I know the jury is still out on the Saints but they not winning games because of Derek Carr. He’s thrown the ball 39 times in 2 games

[boxbuster7]

Pacheco loss is a huge blow to the chiefs IMO

he is dynamic and a huge part of the offense. Definitely a big test.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Pacheco loss is a huge blow to the chiefs IMO

he is dynamic and a huge part of the offense. Definitely a big test.

Blessing in disguise could be keeping him fresh for a late season/playoff run.

It's the type of thing that makes you glad you started out 2-0, though.

[MyckKabongo]

Not expecting much drop off from Pacheco to Steele, tbh. Steele has bulldozed guys every time he touches the ball.

Perine is serviceable. CEH is cromulent. McKinnon or Kareem Hunt would be as well. The Chiefs have had worse RB corps in recent years..