Shyne thread?

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

SCR reported on their livestream that he was sentenced to 9 years in 2005 for trafficking in 2,000 pounds of cocaine -- he only did 4 years of his sentence.

That's not totally accurate.
Quickly skimming through the court documents, it appears the sentencing in that case was originally 88 months, but reduced to 65, for testifying against other defendants. Arrested again, while on probation (similar charges) and sent back to prison.

Unlike the prior thread, blowout seems to be allowing this discussion. Without knowing exactly what got the prior one closed, here's a little more info that might help those interested in doing some research.

You'll need a name (middle name also helps), but there's a long history of issues in just this one Florida county (Volusia County).

https://ccms.clerk.org/inquiry.aspx

[PuddleMonkey]

that's a lot of words, jimbo.

[tonedef2oo8]

All this dude has to do is buy the 2 flip flopping clowns from SCR a steak and this story would be muted and we would be hearing how great Shyne is for the hobby.

[nothinbefore]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

that's a lot of words, jimbo.

Shyne done sent his lawyers into this thread lmao

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

All this dude has to do is buy the 2 flip flopping clowns from SCR a steak and this story would be muted and we would be hearing how great Shyne is for the hobby.

they said they would love to hang out with him, he can sweeten the deal with some snowbunny bimbos that charge by the hour and they'll scrub everything away lol

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by jimz

I am a lawyer (and nothing I say should be construed as legal advice especially since we are talking about hypotheticals and speculations) and this is hilarious. The legal pot industry is heavily state-regulated and under the current interpretation of the dormant commerce clause, the feds can intervene even if it’s contained entirely within a state (see: Gonzalez v. Raich). Nobody is going to risk a legitimate license for what is now essentially a line of work the cartels don’t even see economic value in, and the feds don’t care all that much since there’s actual bigger fish to fry and they prefer the broad and generally unpopular Raich holding too much to create a situation where it could be challenged. The feds pick their battles - it’s how they can get a conviction rate on par with China’s even though there’s not even a semblance of a legitimate judicial system in China. The feds don’t win every case, but with plea bargaining, they’re in the mid to upper 90s in terms of resolving the case in their favor.

And money laundering through cardboard would be, well, frankly, incredibly stupid, since big ticket items attract attention, and if you have enough to need to launder through such means you have a myriad of ways that are easier and less transparent than through cardboard. Topps sends me two copies of their newsletter for some reason, and receipts. KYC/AML doesn’t work, but the incessant nature of marketing alone creates enough paper trail that is open to scrutiny if something actually fishy is going on. The fact is most of the time one launders money not with someone not in on the act (who would want a cut as well) but essentially with themselves. Oh, and there are high-risk payment processors who do handle pot business and transactions in the realm, just not the national banks. There are creative ways to legally protect your income, but since there’s no prescriptive KYC/AML checklist set by congress, there are credit unions, neobanks, brokerages and all sorts of institutions in addition to banks that can take on the business. It’s less convenient, but Wells Fargo is certainly responsible for more fraud than the hobby industry can generate, full stop.

There’s sketchy stuff in every industry, and the hobby is no exception, except the fact that all of the ones raised in this thread are at most unethical except for the frauds that are already illegal, and even that seems to be misconstrued. Yes, selling fake cards would be fraud… if you knew ahead of time that they are fake. Very few hobby transactions are of the amount that would interest the feds, since they have limited resources and in order to win their cases, they actually have to determine whether it’s worthwhile to chase a case. The media is generally crap at reporting legal news - J school isn’t law school, and lawyers don’t become journalists often since it’s a lot of debt to take on. The feds have already decided that it has little interest to go after the biggest fish in the space - potential antitrust issues with Fanatics and associated self-dealing - everything else pales in comparison and are civil matters or really, regular people acting in their own self interest that is not exactly ethical but doesn’t violate any laws. The fact is that if it’s sketchy and illegal, it’s regulated - the legality is regulation by its nature. Anything with government sanction, both definition of the word sanction, is regulated, but it doesn’t have to be direct. There won’t be a US Department of Hobby because it would be pointless and a waste of taxpayer money, remember that most Americans are not actively engaged in any part of our hobby, especially those who pay taxes.

And expanding the hobby is what we want, no? I collect baseball cards and memorabilia because first and foremost I love the sport even if I actively dislike the conduct of the commissioner and many of the owners of the clubs and the anti-trust exemption. The sport will outlive all of them. I think it’s natural to expand into appreciating and learning about the sport through collecting - it certainly taught me a lot when I was a kid - and nostalgia is powerful, and our heroes will always seem larger than life. If people choose to speculate, it’s their pereogative, but it’s not one where it’s easy to actually turn a profit, especially as a side gig. If people wants to get into the hobby by pooling resources - which is why you have corporate entities in the first place - that is nevertheless still expanding the hobby, no? And this is a country with open courts which is a good thing, and many cases filed are frivolous for various reasons. It’s like how bar complaints are mostly filed against public defenders because we have no choice in our clients and the system is skewed towards coercion and frequently our clients have a lot of free time to write complaints because we never learned the Jedi Mind Trick needed to get them out of their predicament. If you have 120 open felony cases to handle and basically no budget, unwinnable trials won’t help anyone. You can learn about the outlines of cases in public records - dockets are generally public, and protective orders are extremely rare in civil cases not involving trade secrets or minors and policy disfavors them. They are more common in criminal cases but not by much. More importantly they are generally time-barred because of 6th Amendment concerns and have nothing to do with LLCs or shell companies, which are perfectly legal unless they do something illegal - which would be illegal regardless of who does it. Your personal curiosity doesn’t overcome the right to privacy, after all. It’s easier to pierce the veil in some states than others, but if you’re not a party to the proceedings, why do you need to know anyway? The whole point is to limit personal liability and avoid comingling of personal and business matters. It’s a good thing that such a system can exist, otherwise the court system can easily ensure that no innovation can happen because being personally liable in a business setting is usually ruinous. Most companies are not shady, many are dormant, and money doesn’t inherently create corruption - a corruptable regulator is needed, and the classic examples are the likes of the SEC and FDA.

Look, if there are parts of the hobby you don’t like, don’t participate in it. Voting with your wallet and feet goes a long way. Some of the speculation in this thread make assumptions that are almost exactly the opposite of how real life works. Remember that Law and Order is treated as comedic vaudeville by many lawyers and for every good use of OSINT there are 15 bad ones. The stupid 2013 Boston Marathon manhunt on Reddit should have been a lesson. The fact that Tsarnaev was found in a boat down the street that I walk by every day when I lived in Watertown was just the bonus insert card.

I'm gonna need some white powder before I can read this

anybody have a plug?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

All this dude has to do is buy the 2 flip flopping clowns from SCR a steak and this story would be muted and we would be hearing how great Shyne is for the hobby.

I missed that segment, but it was clear they were already chummy with Brian Gray -- they were talking him up around the time he parted ways with Leaf.

What did you expect from influencers and content creators? To adhere to some kind of journalism ethic? Come on now -- we're way past the point of any such illusions in this country.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by jimz

I am a lawyer (and nothing I say should be construed as legal advice especially since we are talking about hypotheticals and speculations) and this is hilarious. The legal pot industry is heavily state-regulated and under the current interpretation of the dormant commerce clause, the feds can intervene even if it’s contained entirely within a state (see: Gonzalez v. Raich). Nobody is going to risk a legitimate license for what is now essentially a line of work the cartels don’t even see economic value in, and the feds don’t care all that much since there’s actual bigger fish to fry and they prefer the broad and generally unpopular Raich holding too much to create a situation where it could be challenged. The feds pick their battles - it’s how they can get a conviction rate on par with China’s even though there’s not even a semblance of a legitimate judicial system in China. The feds don’t win every case, but with plea bargaining, they’re in the mid to upper 90s in terms of resolving the case in their favor.

And money laundering through cardboard would be, well, frankly, incredibly stupid, since big ticket items attract attention, and if you have enough to need to launder through such means you have a myriad of ways that are easier and less transparent than through cardboard. Topps sends me two copies of their newsletter for some reason, and receipts. KYC/AML doesn’t work, but the incessant nature of marketing alone creates enough paper trail that is open to scrutiny if something actually fishy is going on. The fact is most of the time one launders money not with someone not in on the act (who would want a cut as well) but essentially with themselves. Oh, and there are high-risk payment processors who do handle pot business and transactions in the realm, just not the national banks. There are creative ways to legally protect your income, but since there’s no prescriptive KYC/AML checklist set by congress, there are credit unions, neobanks, brokerages and all sorts of institutions in addition to banks that can take on the business. It’s less convenient, but Wells Fargo is certainly responsible for more fraud than the hobby industry can generate, full stop.

There’s sketchy stuff in every industry, and the hobby is no exception, except the fact that all of the ones raised in this thread are at most unethical except for the frauds that are already illegal, and even that seems to be misconstrued. Yes, selling fake cards would be fraud… if you knew ahead of time that they are fake. Very few hobby transactions are of the amount that would interest the feds, since they have limited resources and in order to win their cases, they actually have to determine whether it’s worthwhile to chase a case. The media is generally crap at reporting legal news - J school isn’t law school, and lawyers don’t become journalists often since it’s a lot of debt to take on. The feds have already decided that it has little interest to go after the biggest fish in the space - potential antitrust issues with Fanatics and associated self-dealing - everything else pales in comparison and are civil matters or really, regular people acting in their own self interest that is not exactly ethical but doesn’t violate any laws. The fact is that if it’s sketchy and illegal, it’s regulated - the legality is regulation by its nature. Anything with government sanction, both definition of the word sanction, is regulated, but it doesn’t have to be direct. There won’t be a US Department of Hobby because it would be pointless and a waste of taxpayer money, remember that most Americans are not actively engaged in any part of our hobby, especially those who pay taxes.

And expanding the hobby is what we want, no? I collect baseball cards and memorabilia because first and foremost I love the sport even if I actively dislike the conduct of the commissioner and many of the owners of the clubs and the anti-trust exemption. The sport will outlive all of them. I think it’s natural to expand into appreciating and learning about the sport through collecting - it certainly taught me a lot when I was a kid - and nostalgia is powerful, and our heroes will always seem larger than life. If people choose to speculate, it’s their pereogative, but it’s not one where it’s easy to actually turn a profit, especially as a side gig. If people wants to get into the hobby by pooling resources - which is why you have corporate entities in the first place - that is nevertheless still expanding the hobby, no? And this is a country with open courts which is a good thing, and many cases filed are frivolous for various reasons. It’s like how bar complaints are mostly filed against public defenders because we have no choice in our clients and the system is skewed towards coercion and frequently our clients have a lot of free time to write complaints because we never learned the Jedi Mind Trick needed to get them out of their predicament. If you have 120 open felony cases to handle and basically no budget, unwinnable trials won’t help anyone. You can learn about the outlines of cases in public records - dockets are generally public, and protective orders are extremely rare in civil cases not involving trade secrets or minors and policy disfavors them. They are more common in criminal cases but not by much. More importantly they are generally time-barred because of 6th Amendment concerns and have nothing to do with LLCs or shell companies, which are perfectly legal unless they do something illegal - which would be illegal regardless of who does it. Your personal curiosity doesn’t overcome the right to privacy, after all. It’s easier to pierce the veil in some states than others, but if you’re not a party to the proceedings, why do you need to know anyway? The whole point is to limit personal liability and avoid comingling of personal and business matters. It’s a good thing that such a system can exist, otherwise the court system can easily ensure that no innovation can happen because being personally liable in a business setting is usually ruinous. Most companies are not shady, many are dormant, and money doesn’t inherently create corruption - a corruptable regulator is needed, and the classic examples are the likes of the SEC and FDA.

Look, if there are parts of the hobby you don’t like, don’t participate in it. Voting with your wallet and feet goes a long way. Some of the speculation in this thread make assumptions that are almost exactly the opposite of how real life works. Remember that Law and Order is treated as comedic vaudeville by many lawyers and for every good use of OSINT there are 15 bad ones. The stupid 2013 Boston Marathon manhunt on Reddit should have been a lesson. The fact that Tsarnaev was found in a boat down the street that I walk by every day when I lived in Watertown was just the bonus insert card.

This is the biggest wall of text that I’ve seen on BO in a pretty long time. Congrats.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by auburn35

That's not totally accurate.
Quickly skimming through the court documents, it appears the sentencing in that case was originally 88 months, but reduced to 65, for testifying against other defendants. Arrested again, while on probation (similar charges) and sent back to prison.

Unlike the prior thread, blowout seems to be allowing this discussion. Without knowing exactly what got the prior one closed, here's a little more info that might help those interested in doing some research.

You'll need a name (middle name also helps), but there's a long history of issues in just this one Florida county (Volusia County).

https://ccms.clerk.org/inquiry.aspx

Sounds like a cool guy.

[coltsnsox07]

Actually he sounds like Henry Hill...

[eastbayak]

The sun don't shyne forever but as long as it's here then we might as well shyne together.

[Allen Ginter 99]

I’m sure a lot of celebrities and Rubin enjoy Shyne company …. They have a nickname for him He’s Mr. “Snowman” hahaha

Always need that plug


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[jimz]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm gonna need some white powder before I can read this

anybody have a plug?

Naw, I don’t know what sort of price the white lady runs at but I bet it ain’t covered by insurance. Try Adderall, your doctor and whichever local pharmacy has stock is your plug, and you know what you’re getting, and it’s even generic. Hell, all of the filler is listed on the label, for your convenience.

Seriously though, covering all the points in one go usually stops tangent rabbit holes like every thread on Reddit and preemptively shows that I’m a person and not an AI, because LLMs are generally trained to stay on one topic and err on the side of vague but polite and shies away from verbosity and depth. If I want to write like that I might as well as do it in meme form. Gotta cover all the bases, cringeworthy use of common saying fully intended.

[auburn35]

Thought this was a good video from rattlepokemon, and fit the topic of the thread.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I missed that segment, but it was clear they were already chummy with Brian Gray -- they were talking him up around the time he parted ways with Leaf.

What did you expect from influencers and content creators? To adhere to some kind of journalism ethic? Come on now -- we're way past the point of any such illusions in this country.

I get that, but these “guys” try to pretend they are doing this to expose fraud in the hobby. Now are frauds themselves. It’s funny certain people get ripped on relentlessly (for years now at this point) and some people who buy them things they forgive. Seem like two stand up dudes indeed. Hence why myself and others have now stopped listening to that garbage show.

[boxbuster7]

Anybody that is an influencer in the hobby is likely a POS

good rule of thumb

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Thought this was a good video from rattlepokemon, and fit the topic of the thread.

Not really any new information but a nice recap

didn't know about the logan paul liquid marketplace scam

good god these influencers need to find a new hobby

[kipgen]

Why should I care if the guy is a criminal or not or how he makes his money? If his money's good and he's not producing fakes, scanning then reselling boxes, or otherwise scamming people then what does it matter if he likes to collect or use it for laundering or whatever

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Why should I care if the guy is a criminal or not or how he makes his money? If his money's good and he's not producing fakes, scanning then reselling boxes, or otherwise scamming people then what does it matter if he likes to collect or use it for laundering or whatever

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Why should I care if the guy is a criminal or not or how he makes his money? If his money's good and he's not producing fakes, scanning then reselling boxes, or otherwise scamming people then what does it matter if he likes to collect or use it for laundering or whatever

Better question how do you know he isn’t doing that stuff? He’s already shown to have less than good judgement skills.

[dizzy4111]

Probably just a dope boy that hid his money well

[Noles939913]

“The sentence of a snitch is a lifetime scar/You’ll always be in jail just minus the bars”

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by rms13

A 90s Bad Boy rapper who did 10 years in prison for shooting some people and is now one of the top politicians in Belize

So wild. I was just watching Law & Crime Networks update on the P Diddy case and at this point in the video heard this:

8:36 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJahUD-GIVw

"a fight broke out between P Diddy, Shyne & Matthew Allen who went by Scar"

Wild that this hobby hero Shyne likely took the moniker Shyne due to this weird connection. Or maybe it goes deeper?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Why should I care if the guy is a criminal or not or how he makes his money? If his money's good and he's not producing fakes, scanning then reselling boxes, or otherwise scamming people then what does it matter if he likes to collect or use it for laundering or whatever

With each passing day I hate America and it's citizenry more and more

[r338]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Why should I care if the guy is a criminal or not or how he makes his money? If his money's good and he's not producing fakes, scanning then reselling boxes, or otherwise scamming people then what does it matter if he likes to collect or use it for laundering or whatever

So long as he has a dope collection

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by auburn35

That's not totally accurate.
Quickly skimming through the court documents, it appears the sentencing in that case was originally 88 months, but reduced to 65, for testifying against other defendants. Arrested again, while on probation (similar charges) and sent back to prison.

Unlike the prior thread, blowout seems to be allowing this discussion. Without knowing exactly what got the prior one closed, here's a little more info that might help those interested in doing some research.

You'll need a name (middle name also helps), but there's a long history of issues in just this one Florida county (Volusia County).

https://ccms.clerk.org/inquiry.aspx

Lol, he's a rat too. This just gets more interesting. Seems like a great guy to be connected to.