Anyone else seeing the Johnny Hockey rumors on X?

[brettmik59]

One guy bought a Seismic Gold RC on Comc for $100 and listed it for $450. He's down to $350 now. A PSA 8 just sold for $120... nobody is paying $350 for a raw unless they're not very smart.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Davis

To me, the Death Merchants are pretty disgusting. I'm not going to tell someone what to do with their cards, but I might judge them. It’s the “what do you do when no one’s watching” measuring-stick of one’s character.

And I think there’s varying levels to it. It’s one thing if you already own a card of a guy in a tragedy and were selling anyways, but the worst are the guys that buy cards as news breaks and then try to instantly flip the card for a big profit to grieving fans.

I’m usually late to this type of breaking news but it was rumored early into the morning before espn picked it up, I screenshot the autos listed on comc when I saw the news and then took another screenshot about 6 hours later. It’s pretty sad.

Here's something to discuss. Let's say you bought some Kobe autos prior to his death hoping they would appreciate maybe 20-30% so you could sell/trade for another nice card for your PC.

After his death, let's say they went up 200% (I forget what the actual jump was).

Should you refuse to sell the Kobe cards knowing they'll likely come down in price and you'll miss your best chance to buy/trade into a PC card?

[creasecollector]

Tragic. I feel terrible for his family and loved ones.

[senorlaverga]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Here's something to discuss. Let's say you bought some Kobe autos prior to his death hoping they would appreciate maybe 20-30% so you could sell/trade for another nice card for your PC.

After his death, let's say they went up 200% (I forget what the actual jump was).

Should you refuse to sell the Kobe cards knowing they'll likely come down in price and you'll miss your best chance to buy/trade into a PC card?

Personally, I would probably let them sell at the prices I had determined beforehand and let someone else be the markup greaseball. I know the internet is anonymous but I still believe that money comes and goes but reputation is forever.

[johnnydrama]

Defending the people who are clearly looking to take advantage of someone's death is something else, man.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Here's something to discuss. Let's say you bought some Kobe autos prior to his death hoping they would appreciate maybe 20-30% so you could sell/trade for another nice card for your PC.

After his death, let's say they went up 200% (I forget what the actual jump was).

Should you refuse to sell the Kobe cards knowing they'll likely come down in price and you'll miss your best chance to buy/trade into a PC card?

That's a specific situation (that has long come and gone), and not the one we're in/facing now.

I would think the difference is in the star caliber between Kobe and Gaudreau, clearly Kobe's cards had room to grow based on his superstar status. His death cemented higher pricing for his autos in particular. Johnny was good but no longer considered at the top tier of greatness, and his cards had declined as a result in recent years.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by johnnydrama

Defending the people who are clearly looking to take advantage of someone's death is something else, man.

The idea here could be to let people post their honest responses to the topic versus trying to shame them into following a particular line of reason.

[ShoutFan2020]

Holy hell, what a rendition at the Flames candlelight vigil. Tears man

https://x.com/GinoHard_/status/18315...avZXP8Ghg&s=19



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[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by stoopid

That's a specific situation (that has long come and gone), and not the one we're in/facing now.

I would think the difference is in the star caliber between Kobe and Gaudreau, clearly Kobe's cards had room to grow based on his superstar status. His death cemented higher pricing for his autos in particular. Johnny was good but no longer considered at the top tier of greatness, and his cards had declined as a result in recent years.

Makes sense. I'm mainly a Chicago sports fan that follows the Blackhawks locally. Didn't really know much about Gaudreau.

Originally Posted by stoopid

The idea here could be to let people post their honest responses to the topic versus trying to shame them into following a particular line of reason.

Yes. I get the side that doesn't want to sell something of someone that passed (especially in a tragic manner). But I also wouldn't want to force someone to hold and take an L.

I do think sellers get a way worse rep than buyers during these tragic events. But aren't both parties responsible for the market being what it is?

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I do think sellers get a way worse rep than buyers during these tragic events. But aren't both parties responsible for the market being what it is?

And as my SO rightly pointed out when I explained the conundrum to her (she does not collect cards) "isn't it a free market though?" Yes, yes it is. Until it's not, apparently.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by stoopid

And as my SO rightly pointed out when I explained the conundrum to her (she does not collect cards) "isn't it a free market though?" Yes, yes it is. Until it's not, apparently.

A free market means you should avoid criticism for scummy behavior?

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Giroux

A free market means you should avoid criticism for scummy behavior?

I don't have to avoid anything. I think her point was it's the purest of barter -- someone wants the thing, someone has the thing. They agree on what to exchange for said thing. If either doesn't agree with the terms, the thing doesn't get exchanged.

As I indicated many posts back, there's been some (healthy and unhealthy) group thought around this topic but there's clearly many nuances and flawed conclusions people have become comfortable in espousing as dogma. Stirring the pot and challenging those assumptions definitely seems to be on order.

[kluke84]

Very tragic situation and a reminder how short the time here is. Amazing trubutes from Calgary and Columbus. Johnny Hockey will always be a Flame and I would imagine they will retire his number this fall. Will never forget the Game 7 goal against Dallas.

Prayers to both brothers families and all the friends impacted. Outside of his family I specifically thought of Monahan first when it was announced.

[brettmik59]

Originally Posted by Giroux

A free market means you should avoid criticism for scummy behavior?

To me the only potential "scummy" thing is slamming low BINs and immediately flipping to make a quick buck. If you just want to pick up a card of Johnny, there's nothing wrong with that. And if you have a card you're willing to part with, selling it helps to meet the surge in demand and actually keeps prices from getting too high as it increases supply.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

To me the only potential "scummy" thing is slamming low BINs and immediately flipping to make a quick buck.

I agree that's the worst of the worst, and I think that's what most are highly critical of in here.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by stoopid

I don't have to avoid anything. I think her point was it's the purest of barter -- someone wants the thing, someone has the thing. They agree on what to exchange for said thing. If either doesn't agree with the terms, the thing doesn't get exchanged.

As I indicated many posts back, there's been some (healthy and unhealthy) group thought around this topic but there's clearly many nuances and flawed conclusions people have become comfortable in espousing as dogma. Stirring the pot and challenging those assumptions definitely seems to be on order.

And my point is I think you're a scumbag if you're buying up $40 autos on COMC and listing them for $300... Not sure I see a point in the second part of your post there. People can do what they want and they can get criticized for it.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Giroux

And my point is I think you're a scumbag if you're buying up $40 autos on COMC and listing them for $300... Not sure I see a point in the second part of your post there. People can do what they want and they can get criticized for it.

Again, I'm discussing the topic not engaged in it. You are using "you" and that's unnecessarily combative.

If someone is doing that, yeah poor form but at the same time if someone else isn't buying the card at the lower price who cares what happens to it? If the demand and eyeballs were on the original lower listing, and someone truly ever cared about the card at the lower price, it would have sold (to someone else).

Could it be the optics of seeing cards listed at inflated prices? If they're not selling, they'll fall in price to meet the market. If they are selling, then IMO the buyer is spending their money as they wish. Most of his cards will be back to where they were pre-death in a short amount of time, so anyone buying at this peak is just acting on the classic fomo in collecting. The outrage seems more like an excuse to be divisive and virtue signal than 'actually worthy of outrage'.

[valleynuckfan]

Someone passes away.
You go to the estate sale and stock up on bargains. Maybe even find some buried treasure.
You flip them and make good profit.
Different?

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Someone passes away.
You go to the estate sale and stock up on bargains. Maybe even find some buried treasure.
You flip them and make good profit.
Different?

Yeah, a real big difference in fact. The family benefits directly from an estate sale. Liquidating quickly is far more efficient, which is why they do it that way.

[odjickfan]

I think the biggest problem is that people are dumb enough to buy at the inflated prices.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by odjickfan

I think the biggest problem is that people are dumb enough to buy at the inflated prices.

If true that's not really a problem, that's an observation.

Stupid people buy lottery tickets/gamble, buy overpriced hockey wax. I don't see an IQ test mandate being introduced anytime soon in order for people to do things.

I haven't tracked/checked in any detail, but are the grossly inflated cards selling at the inflated prices? Things have cooled in the past several days, I imagine most of those overpriced listings are just sitting there getting stale.

[brettmik59]

Sometimes people are willing to overpay for a card they really want right now, or maybe for one that doesn't pop up for sale very often. A lot of nice Johnny stuff has popped up recently as sellers look to capitalize. On the flip side buyers can find cards they haven't been able to find until the price surge.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by JohnnyAppleseed

Yeah, a real big difference in fact. The family benefits directly from an estate sale. Liquidating quickly is far more efficient, which is why they do it that way.

It's not apples to apples, but buyers at an estate sale hoping to flip is similar to ppl trying to sell online after someone passes away in the sense that sellers are attempting to financially profit from someone's death.

If the ebay sellers donated to Johnny's family/charity, would that make it ok?

Again, it's nuanced. Maybe a case by case scenario but in my observation, sellers get way more flack than buyers. And you need both to make any transaction happen.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

It's not apples to apples, but buyers at an estate sale hoping to flip is similar to ppl trying to sell online after someone passes away in the sense that sellers are attempting to financially profit from someone's death.

If the ebay sellers donated to Johnny's family/charity, would that make it ok?

Again, it's nuanced. Maybe a case by case scenario but in my observation, sellers get way more flack than buyers. And you need both to make any transaction happen.

I think if the proceeds went to the GoFundMe for Matthew Gaudreau's wife Madeline then yeah. I bet a lot of people who are pulling out the torches and pitchforks would be totally fine with it too.

As far as estate sales - are the families not allowed to part with the belongings of the departed, even if they're unwanted? Better they be sold to people who might enjoy them, even if it means some people are in it for flipping a profit. Not every transaction is efficient and noble.

[TheFrenzy]

His wife mentioned during his eulogy that she’s nine weeks pregnant.

Also, #@#@#@#@ the shameless death merchants looking at this as little more than a chance to make a buck.