2023-24 Topps Chrome Basketball

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Because there is an open bounty for 1 million.

All it takes is one buyer, and that buyer has spoken. That's what makes it a million.

Sorry it's all bs to hype the product & to get the degenerates to buy the crap. It's the same every time with every release.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Because there is an open bounty for 1 million.

All it takes is one buyer, and that buyer has spoken. That's what makes it a million.

A bounty is not representative of fair value. These bounties are collusion within the industry to move product. It’s a business expense that is unlikely to have to be paid out.

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

Plot twist: Reps bought boxes at MSRP and are now reselling via their client lists.

That’s a real fast way to get fired but not sure what checks they have in place for that.

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Because there is an open bounty for 1 million.

All it takes is one buyer, and that buyer has spoken. That's what makes it a million.

Just because Blez's Fanatics-supported business model allows for coughing up a milli on the card doesn't mean it's worth that

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

A bounty is not representative of fair value. These bounties are collusion within the industry to move product. It’s a business expense that is unlikely to have to be paid out.

Bingo. Will be funny to learn about all the kickbacks Blez is getting from this massive pump campaign way down the line when the house of cards comes down.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

That’s a real fast way to get fired but not sure what checks they have in place for that.

It's a conflict of interest (and job risk) but Fanatics couldn't entirely prevent it.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one rep does it too. Maybe they hide it by being account executives of personal friends (and probably don't always sell every product to them to avoid getting flagged, ripping at MSRP or flipping sealed via friend and splitting the gains in some way).

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

A bounty is not representative of fair value. These bounties are collusion within the industry to move product. It’s a business expense that is unlikely to have to be paid out.

But but but ultra high net worth individuals collect, too!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

It's a conflict of interest (and job risk) but Fanatics couldn't entirely prevent it.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one rep does it too. Maybe they hide it by being account executives of personal friends (and probably don't always sell every product to them to avoid getting flagged, ripping at MSRP or flipping sealed via friend and splitting the gains in some way).

Fanatics account reps are now the new distributors?

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

Sorry it's all bs to hype the product & to get the degenerates to buy the crap. It's the same every time with every release.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

A bounty is not representative of fair value. These bounties are collusion within the industry to move product. It’s a business expense that is unlikely to have to be paid out.

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

Just because Blez's Fanatics-supported business model allows for coughing up a milli on the card doesn't mean it's worth that

I never said it was worth 1 million. I'm with you guys. The question was "what makes it a million dollar card" my answer was someone being willing to pay 1 million. Simple as that. Even if it's a promotion, it's a 1:4000 something case chance at a million bucks. If you hit the card and get your check, you won't care one bit about what it's worth once it leaves your hands.

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

It's a conflict of interest (and job risk) but Fanatics couldn't entirely prevent it.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one rep does it too. Maybe they hide it by being account executives of personal friends (and probably don't always sell every product to them to avoid getting flagged, ripping at MSRP or flipping sealed via friend and splitting the gains in some way).

Just like any sales job, it would be super short sighted though.

Sales people are looking for consistent buyers and whales. I already see it with my rep. He sometimes won’t even contact me for high demand product cause I only buy that. Sometimes I get lucky because I think he still wants to keep me warm.

If they use that for their friends, they lose their intake.

If everything was high demand though, that would change things.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I never said it was worth 1 million. I'm with you guys. The question was "what makes it a million dollar card" my answer was someone being willing to pay 1 million. Simple as that. Even if it's a promotion, it's a 1:4000 something case chance at a million bucks. If you hit the card and get your check, you won't care one bit about what it's worth once it leaves your hands.

You've always made so much sense. #Logical

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

Just like any sales job, it would be super short sighted though.

Sales people are looking for consistent buyers and whales. I already see it with my rep. He sometimes won’t even contact me for high demand product cause I only buy that. Sometimes I get lucky because I think he still wants to keep me warm.

If they use that for their friends, they lose their intake.

If everything was high demand though, that would change things.

Agreed.

With that said, human beings are human beings. People break rules and take advantage of the system all the time.

Hahaha, I've noticed that with my rep as well. I wasn't even offered any 2023-24 TC BKB hobby configuration.

Many things are in high demand, and many more things will become high demand once the NBA/NFL licenses kick into effect.

Maybe I should start buying some of the junk offerings now lol.

[StevieScheffler]

I collected in the 90s, came back in 2020, and I've never loved much of anything from Panini, whether it's their awful photography/lazy annual designs or how they do business on their horrible website.

This first Topps Chrome set does have a lot of uglier, non Wemby cards because of the licensing situation. But they feel like the cards I grew up with e.g. all those ugly Jordan inserts now worth a house downpayment. And at $300/box distributed fairly (I hope) on EQL, it felt fairer and less stressful than Panini's dutch FOTL reverse whatever the hell. This is coming from somebody who got zero on EQL.

Most of all, imo TC Wemby cards look great compared to Prizm Wemby with a photoshopped backdrop. I would rather keep long-term a numbered, on-card TC Wemby auto than an equivalent numbered non-auto Prizm parallel. And when Sapphire comes out I'll be treating it as an even higher priority than NT.

For everybody complaining about TC being pajama cards: yes, every card not a Wemby or Lebron will probably become worthless. But nobody in the future will care the TC Wemby's are pajama cards because nobody cares now. Collectors are voting with their wallets right now and showing pajama TC Wemby is legit, and Sapphire will be scary.

OK, everybody can dunk on me for now being a know-nothing. But last time I posted about Wemby at the beginning of the season I said he'd have a 20-10 season and got clowned then too. Now look at where we are...

[bub838]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

Plot twist: Reps bought boxes at MSRP and are now reselling via their client lists.

Pretty sure LCS direct accounts were being solicited at $520 on the second wave from Toppsnatics. The consumer reps still have to create orders in their system so I doubt they're doing anything overtly scummy.

Just as they have for a while, Fanatics is making sure to get as much of that money as possible.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by StevieScheffler

I collected in the 90s, came back in 2020, and I've never loved much of anything from Panini, whether it's their awful photography/lazy annual designs or how they do business on their horrible website.

This first Topps Chrome set does have a lot of uglier, non Wemby cards because of the licensing situation. But they feel like the cards I grew up with e.g. all those ugly Jordan inserts now worth a house downpayment. And at $300/box distributed fairly (I hope) on EQL, it felt fairer and less stressful than Panini's dutch FOTL reverse whatever the hell. This is coming from somebody who got zero on EQL.

Most of all, imo TC Wemby cards look great compared to Prizm Wemby with a photoshopped backdrop. I would rather keep long-term a numbered, on-card TC Wemby auto than an equivalent numbered non-auto Prizm parallel. And when Sapphire comes out I'll be treating it as an even higher priority than NT.

For everybody complaining about TC being pajama cards: yes, every card not a Wemby or Lebron will probably become worthless. But nobody in the future will care the TC Wemby's are pajama cards because nobody cares now. Collectors are voting with their wallets right now and showing pajama TC Wemby is legit, and Sapphire will be scary.

OK, everybody can dunk on me for now being a know-nothing. But last time I posted about Wemby at the beginning of the season I said he'd have a 20-10 season and got clowned then too. Now look at where we are...

Gamblers are voting with their wallets now, collectors don’t like pajama cards period. See metal universe pajama cards.

[Bob Ross]

[weatherwarrior]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Gamblers are voting with their wallets now, collectors don’t like pajama cards period. See metal universe pajama cards.

Collectors are buying online not gamblers. Gamblers are breaking. Collectors have no problems paying big money for Juju Watkins cards in pajamas, or wemby bowman U cards. Are they desirable from and loos perspective? Not really but they are being bought. I'll certainly take advantage of selling to those who are buying. Because there are plenty who are dropping coin on singles right now.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by weatherwarrior

Collectors are buying online not gamblers. Gamblers are breaking. Collectors have no problems paying big money for Juju Watkins cards in pajamas, or wemby bowman U cards. Are they desirable from and loos perspective? Not really but they are being bought. I'll certainly take advantage of selling to those who are buying. Because there are plenty who are dropping coin on singles right now.

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That’s what they said about metal universe, until nobody wanted it anymore because there are plenty of licensed alternatives available.

[StevieScheffler]

Originally Posted by weatherwarrior

Collectors are buying online not gamblers.

Exactly. Breakers are literally the definition of gambling, and they are not selling their hits back to themselves. They're selling the hits to people willing to drop $3k at a time thinking they are buying the best rookie card of the next Lebron/Kobe/Jordan.

Is it a wise investment? Who knows.

[BdotHobbs]

The amount of Wemby autos I’ve seen on Twitter this week is insane and I don’t even follow that many card accounts. The kids arm is gonna fall off before the season starts

[StevieScheffler]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Gamblers are voting with their wallets now, collectors don’t like pajama cards period. See metal universe pajama cards.

Again, just because it's been like this in the past doesn't mean this time will be the same. And imo the reasons why this time is different is because:

1. Topps is gaining the license going forward and all future Topps licensed releases will legtitimize OG Topps pajama sets from the past, while future unlicensed Prizm will have a negative or neutral effect on past licensed Prizm.

2. The autos are only in Topps pajama cards and people love autos more than they "hate" pajama cards, especially when there's no choice. If there were 1986 Fleer Jordan pajama auto RCs, and they were the only Jordan auto RCs ever, every single one would be worth the GDP of Canada today.

3. Nobody "hates" pajama cards. Nobody would tear a pajama Wemby auto in half because they "hate" it. You either don't like how it looks or you don't like that in the past they haven't held their value. But it's not some law of nature that pajama cards must be inferior and a hated class of cards.

4. This is a matter of opinion, but lots of people think the TC Wemby autos, esp. refractors and some of the parallels, look really good. I'm not from San Antonio, I don't give a crap that the Spurs logo is missing.

There's no winning an arguement like this, of course. Time will tell.

[DannyHultzenFan]

Anyone get an email yet from the fanatics lottery?

[exospheer]

Originally Posted by StevieScheffler

Again, just because it's been like this in the past doesn't mean this time will be the same. And imo the reasons why this time is different is because:

1. Topps is gaining the license going forward and all future Topps licensed releases will legtitimize OG Topps pajama sets from the past, while future unlicensed Prizm will have a negative or neutral effect on past licensed Prizm.

2. The autos are only in Topps pajama cards and people love autos more than they "hate" pajama cards, especially when there's no choice. If there were 1986 Fleer Jordan pajama auto RCs, and they were the only Jordan auto RCs ever, every single one would be worth the GDP of Canada today.

3. Nobody "hates" pajama cards. Nobody would tear a pajama Wemby auto in half because they "hate" it. You either don't like how it looks or you don't like that in the past they haven't held their value. But it's not some law of nature that pajama cards must be inferior and a hated class of cards.

4. This is a matter of opinion, but lots of people think the TC Wemby autos, esp. refractors and some of the parallels, look really good. I'm not from San Antonio, I don't give a crap that the Spurs logo is missing.

There's no winning an arguement like this, of course. Time will tell.

I wouldn't buy a Brandon Miller auto since the card looks like ass, I would buy a Wemby auto since Topps actually made the card look good. The set does look like ass, but they got the most important card right and thats the most important thing. Just buy the autos, forget breaking. I also think the base wemby looks good too, non auto colors will be a cool card to get.

[weatherwarrior]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

That’s what they said about metal universe, until nobody wanted it anymore because there are plenty of licensed alternatives available.

I get where you are coming from. But in the moment right now people are buying singles. Whether we think it's ugly or junk or not. There are people buying.

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[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by weatherwarrior

I get where you are coming from. But in the moment right now people are buying singles. Whether we think it's ugly or junk or not. There are people buying.

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You can say that about any new release

[weatherwarrior]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

You can say that about any new release

You can but this release offers something no other releases have. Wemby, Scoot, and B miller autos.

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