2023 Marvel Fleer Ultra Midnight Sons

[Chrominator]

A little 2-pack purple luck this morning.




It's just too bad that a lot of the FUMS cards are in such horrible condition.

Lots of soft corners and chipped edges coming out of this set.

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

And yet, a notch above entry level is still not entry level. Anybody who believes FUA is entry level, just quit assessing the marvel market.

This is a lower premium than FUA but still not entry level. The fleer ultra brand, is on par with brands like metal. These brands are considered premium products by the brand managers themselves. Beginnings, annual, etc are more entry, this is not my words this is literally the UD brand managers for marvel cards that go on podcasts with the streamers/breakers.

The point of my original post is I don’t like the back logos being seen on the front of the card. It looks cheap and lazy, and while it may exist in other lines it’s still looks cheap and lazy. To give an example of a premium character on an entry level set further supports my point, it looks like something that would be in an entry level set. It’s clear some people don’t mind it, I do.

The insert looks cheap, and in my opinion they made what should’ve been premium into a very cheap product. Most marvel acetates don’t have this - you can see front on back but not back on front. There’s a reason why this type of FUMS acetate is more the exception than the rule. Knowing marvel has done this on another set was news to me, but it was news to me because I don’t collect entry level marvel products. You simply don’t see this on more premium brands.

That stuff aside, people are paying $3-6 per base medallion for high tier characters. Ridiculous. There’s literally at least 29,834 epack boxes of this stuff, meaning there’s at least 3,580 copies of each base medallion, enough to acetate 358 times. Conservatively, let’s just say half get combined for 179 copies. This is nowhere nowhere near a rare insert. And yet people are currently paying what essentially is $30-60 for a higher tier character. Nuts.

This has a much much larger epack run than FUA. I still maintain that physical will breach $110/box and my newest guess is that this will be discounted on epack by end of this year. If these aren’t 25% off on epack at some point, I will be absolutely astonished.

Ok cool.

Except all you do is come in here and dump on every product except your “investment” product FUA, which you pump to the moon every chance you get for it’s amazing print run and future potential and blah blah blah.

Which is whatever, I’m happy for you, I hope you do well with your investment.

But you really go out of your way to tell people how every product (except FUA) is garbage and not worth the money and boxes will be at dollar tree by October 12th and blahhhhh. We all get it, we’ve all been doing this a long time.

This is a hobby for most of us. Not an investment opportunity. Just let people have fun.

[Marvel Card]

Originally Posted by jjas311

Ok cool.

Except all you do is come in here and dump on every product except your “investment” product FUA, which you pump to the moon every chance you get for it’s amazing print run and future potential and blah blah blah.

Which is whatever, I’m happy for you, I hope you do well with your investment.

But you really go out of your way to tell people how every product (except FUA) is garbage and not worth the money and boxes will be at dollar tree by October 12th and blahhhhh. We all get it, we’ve all been doing this a long time.

This is a hobby for most of us. Not an investment opportunity. Just let people have fun.

I have an opinion on acetates and that opinion remains. Not everybody shares it and that’s fine. If people like the acetate, then they’ll go for it regardless. But when you spread misinformation (which you do very often) then you need to be held accountable because people who are newer to marvel come here as a source for information. There are premium products and there are entry level products. Spoken by the UD brand managers. Get it right.

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

I have an opinion on acetates and that opinion remains. Not everybody shares it and that’s fine. If people like the acetate, then they’ll go for it regardless. But when you spread misinformation (which you do very often) then you need to be held accountable because people who are newer to marvel come here as a source for information. There are premium products and there are entry level products. Spoken by the UD brand managers. Get it right.

What misinformation?

[PNWcards]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

I have an opinion on acetates and that opinion remains. Not everybody shares it and that’s fine. If people like the acetate, then they’ll go for it regardless. But when you spread misinformation (which you do very often) then you need to be held accountable because people who are newer to marvel come here as a source for information. There are premium products and there are entry level products. Spoken by the UD brand managers. Get it right.

To each there own but UD’s brand managers can call something whatever they want but that doesn’t mean it’s actually going to be received that way. On epack in the first couple years they used to advertise 1 hit per pack on some products. Their idea of a “hit” was any physical card. So again, just because they advertise something in a specific way doesn’t mean it’s accurate. The market dictates what is and what isn’t.

[Xiarmadillo]

I am not sure where you are getting the number of at least 29834 epack boxes of this stuff.....

Isnt it like 5-6 autos per case of 12 boxes?
there are :

93 red auto base each out of 100, making 9300 total
30 comic clipping auto each # to 10, making 300 total
4 comic clipping dual auto each # to 5 making 20 total
36 Ultra Shade Auto each # to 100, making 3600 total

That makes 13220 total autographs, so physical + epack total of around 26440-31728 boxes

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

And yet, a notch above entry level is still not entry level. Anybody who believes FUA is entry level, just quit assessing the marvel market.

This is a lower premium than FUA but still not entry level. The fleer ultra brand, is on par with brands like metal. These brands are considered premium products by the brand managers themselves. Beginnings, annual, etc are more entry, this is not my words this is literally the UD brand managers for marvel cards that go on podcasts with the streamers/breakers.

The point of my original post is I don’t like the back logos being seen on the front of the card. It looks cheap and lazy, and while it may exist in other lines it’s still looks cheap and lazy. To give an example of a premium character on an entry level set further supports my point, it looks like something that would be in an entry level set. It’s clear some people don’t mind it, I do.

The insert looks cheap, and in my opinion they made what should’ve been premium into a very cheap product. Most marvel acetates don’t have this - you can see front on back but not back on front. There’s a reason why this type of FUMS acetate is more the exception than the rule. Knowing marvel has done this on another set was news to me, but it was news to me because I don’t collect entry level marvel products. You simply don’t see this on more premium brands.

That stuff aside, people are paying $3-6 per base medallion for high tier characters. Ridiculous. There’s literally at least 29,834 epack boxes of this stuff, meaning there’s at least 3,580 copies of each base medallion, enough to acetate 358 times. Conservatively, let’s just say half get combined for 179 copies. This is nowhere nowhere near a rare insert. And yet people are currently paying what essentially is $30-60 for a higher tier character. Nuts.

This has a much much larger epack run than FUA. I still maintain that physical will breach $110/box and my newest guess is that this will be discounted on epack by end of this year. If these aren’t 25% off on epack at some point, I will be absolutely astonished.

[Ajax1723]

Just made a full 50 card set of the Acetate Medallions

1) They are very cool, with alternate images

2) The higher tier characters will definitely be worth more than 30-60

3) Theres no way half of the medallions print run would be combined, and thats assuming the number of boxes is correct.

Feel pretty confident these will stay in the 50-80 print run (maybe higher for your Wolverines, Spider-Man, etc). For example, there were 116 Black Cat Medallions available on the marketplace, and more than 3/4ths of them belong to people that have 1 or 2. There are people combining, but not 100s of people.

[Chrominator]

[Dredd84]

Originally Posted by Ajax1723

Just made a full 50 card set of the Acetate Medallions

1) They are very cool, with alternate images

2) The higher tier characters will definitely be worth more than 30-60

3) Theres no way half of the medallions print run would be combined, and thats assuming the number of boxes is correct.

Feel pretty confident these will stay in the 50-80 print run (maybe higher for your Wolverines, Spider-Man, etc). For example, there were 116 Black Cat Medallions available on the marketplace, and more than 3/4ths of them belong to people that have 1 or 2. There are people combining, but not 100s of people.

I agree with all of your points you made. More importantly, congrats on the full set! That’s amazing. I was struggling just to get 10 Werewolf by Midnight. I couldn’t imagine the entire set.


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[One more set]

Bought $100 worth over 3 orders, might have $10 worth of cards. Pretty typical epack experience for me.

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by Dredd84

I agree with all of your points you made. More importantly, congrats on the full set! That’s amazing. I was struggling just to get 10 Werewolf by Midnight. I couldn’t imagine the entire set.


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I opened a lot, but I also traded a lot. Takes a lot of grinding. Surprisingly, the characters you would think would be the hardest, wern't. Wolverine and Venom were among the first ones I completed, so I'm not surprised that you had trouble with a mid-tier character.

They also mention on the back that they are achievements. Pretty cool.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by Ajax1723

I opened a lot, but I also traded a lot. Takes a lot of grinding. Surprisingly, the characters you would think would be the hardest, wern't. Wolverine and Venom were among the first ones I completed, so I'm not surprised that you had trouble with a mid-tier character.

They also mention on the back that they are achievements. Pretty cool.

How frequently were you hitting clippings? I think they look pretty cool this set!

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

How frequently were you hitting clippings? I think they look pretty cool this set!

I was hitting them about 1-2 a case, theres 110 in the set, all numbered to 40, so they hit close to the same rate as the purple /35 overall, and they are a little harder to hit than a Platinum medallion (4400 comic clippings vs 5000 platinum medallions)

[finfangfan]

Gotcha… thanks.

[Chrominator]

A little more 2-pack purple magic today

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Ajax1723

Just made a full 50 card set of the Acetate Medallions

1) They are very cool, with alternate images

2) The higher tier characters will definitely be worth more than 30-60

3) Theres no way half of the medallions print run would be combined, and thats assuming the number of boxes is correct.

Feel pretty confident these will stay in the 50-80 print run (maybe higher for your Wolverines, Spider-Man, etc). For example, there were 116 Black Cat Medallions available on the marketplace, and more than 3/4ths of them belong to people that have 1 or 2. There are people combining, but not 100s of people.

I agree that the acetates will stay below 100, but it is nice to see so many people foiling these. Overall it seems like it’s doing pretty well on the boards. It should be a $150 box but with the added value of achievements, it’s actually priced a lot closer to where it should be than just about any product in the last 2ish years.

[finfangfan]

Yeah… just a quick browse of the boards and I think the early foilers got in at a good time. Things are creeping up a bit and then sales tend to fall sharply after opening week so might be harder to foil as weeks go on. Also once next Marvel set hits it tends to cause sales/trading of the previous set to fall off. They’ve been releasing new Marvel sets like every 3 weeks or so in ePack.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

They’ve been releasing new Marvel sets like every 3 weeks or so in ePack.

UD c-suite execs be like

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by jjas311

I agree that the acetates will stay below 100, but it is nice to see so many people foiling these. Overall it seems like it’s doing pretty well on the boards. It should be a $150 box but with the added value of achievements, it’s actually priced a lot closer to where it should be than just about any product in the last 2ish years.

I was surprised myself to see it at $15 a pack, thought for sure they'd match Fleer Ultra Avengers. Probably why I decided to open a bunch.

Helps that I pulled a Spider-Man Emerald Medallion on my 2nd pack haha.

[Xazark]

Originally Posted by Ajax1723

I was surprised myself to see it at $15 a pack, thought for sure they'd match Fleer Ultra Avengers. Probably why I decided to open a bunch.

Helps that I pulled a Spider-Man Emerald Medallion on my 2nd pack haha.

LOL that drags you in doesn't it, that initial hit makes your brain go "oh, it isn't that hard.." At least there are some really nice looking inserts in this set so not the worst set to buy into

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by Xazark

LOL that drags you in doesn't it, that initial hit makes your brain go "oh, it isn't that hard.." At least there are some really nice looking inserts in this set so not the worst set to buy into

I def opened more than I would have otherwise, yes haha. I wish the achievements were better, but I have to say, the Acetate Medallions are going to be a huge hit, and I'm glad I got them early on.

[Chrominator]

Can anyone pls explain the benefits of buying a box vs 1-2 epacks at a time, if any?

If it's just a guaranteed #'d card, how low is it or could it be any #'d card (i.e. blue /180)?

So far I've been buying only 1-2 packs at a time and feel like I've done pretty good w/ #'d cards overall...

But if I'm missing something about ripping a box plmk, thx!

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Can anyone pls explain the benefits of buying a box vs 1-2 epacks at a time, if any?

If it's just a guaranteed #'d card, how low is it or could it be any #'d card (i.e. blue /180)?

So far I've been buying only 1-2 packs at a time and feel like I've done pretty good w/ #'d cards overall...

But if I'm missing something about ripping a box plmk, thx!

Everyone has their own thoughts on how epack distributes hits and the best way to buy, but in my opinion I treat it exactly like buying cases/boxes/packs of physical. If I want to make sure I get the case hit, I buy a case. If I am just dabbling, I buy packs.

I've bought in every which way and had better and worse luck in each way. I have had runs of pack purchases where I hit a box hit every other pack it seems....and I have bought boxes and cases and got the amount of hits advertised and nothing special.

I like the Cosmic product but I don't super collect it, so often times I would throw one or two packs into an order for fun. I have probably opened 30-40 packs worth...and I have hit 0 autos and 0 sketches. I really beat the odds on that one.

All that being said, I have been on epack for a long time and I have heard a ton of theories on how hits are allocated - everything from "new accounts always get good hits" to "the product is heating up right now and this hit rate is increasing!" and its all been anecdotal with no substantive evidence, just gamblers fallacy.

Set your budget, buy what you want, and don't get caught up in the moment and spend money you didn't intend or shouldn't have spent because the big hit must be in the next pack or box.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Can anyone pls explain the benefits of buying a box vs 1-2 epacks at a time, if any?

If it's just a guaranteed #'d card, how low is it or could it be any #'d card (i.e. blue /180)?

So far I've been buying only 1-2 packs at a time and feel like I've done pretty good w/ #'d cards overall...

But if I'm missing something about ripping a box plmk, thx!

It's all guesswork. Some of us batted around some ideas that packs on ePack were laid out like this:

Box1pack1
Box1pack2
Box1pack3
Box1pack4
Box1pack5
Box1pack6
Box2pack1
Box2pack2
Box2pack3
Box2pack4
Box2pack5
Box2pack6

Let's use 6 packs per box to make this shorter.

Someone comes in and buys 2 packs. They get Box1pack1 and Box1pack2.

You come along and buy "a box" but it's really just the next 6 packs starting with Box1pack3. So if everything is relatively even with distribution you still a box worth of hits. The same is true for cases. It just gives you the next 'x' number of packs in a row (being packs per box multiplied by boxes per case).

Again, we're just guessing. When you are buying a couple of packs at a time you have to remember other people are getting stuff as well, so your next purchase is just further down the list of packs. In short, it is anecdotal, but you get lucky.

You could buy two packs and get a box or case hit. Other people buy stuff, and by the time you come back you could get another box or case hit because that's just what was next on the box/pack list.

[mjohnatgt]

I don't think that's the case. I think they actually are in "boxes", because when you buy one, you have to actually "open box" before it will let you open packs. If it was just the next 6/12/15 packs in the queue, they would just load that many packs in your account and you wouldn't have to "open" a box that didn't exist to get access to packs.
Just my conjecture, but it makes sense to me. Why code extra work to simulate opening a box, just to waste the time of someone opening multiple boxes in a row?