Are we in another "junk wax" era?

mfw13 · 08-02-2024, 10:25 AM

Credit to poster "theredmenace", who put this list together....

In 2023 there were 43 Topps releases, 11 Bowman releases, 10 Panini releases, and 19 non-traditional (i.e. non-wax) releases...... 83 Total

Bowman

Bowman
Bowman Sapphire
Bowman Chrome
Bowman Chrome Mega Box
Bowman Chrome Sapphire
Bowman Draft
Bowman Draft Sapphire Chrome
Bowman Inception
Bowman Platinum
Bowman Sterling
Bowman's Best

Panini

Donruss
National Treausers
Panini Chronicles
Panini Elite Extra Edition
Panini Flawless
Panini Immaculate
Panini Prizm
Panini Stars and Stripes
Panini Three & Two
Select

Topps

Flagship Series 1
Flagship Series 2
Flagship Update
Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Update
Topps Sapphire Chrome
Topps Sapphire Chrome Update
Topps Chrome Black
Topps Chrome Logofractor
Topps 206
Topps Allen & Ginter
Topps Archives
Topps Big League
Topps Black & White
Topps Brooklyn Collection
Topps Cosmic Chrome
Topps Definitive Collection
Topps Diamond Icons
Topps Dynamic Duals
Topps Five Star
Topps Gilded Collection
Topps Heritage
Topps Heritage High Number
Topps Holiday
Topps Inception
Topps Luminaries
Museum Collection
Topps Pristine
Topps Pro Debut
Topps Rip
Topps Sterling
Topps Tier One
Topps Tribute
Topps WBC Global Stars
Topps WBC Team Samurai
Topps World Baseball Classic
Topps X Bob Ross: The Joy of Baseball
Topps X Julio Rodriguez: Show Out Collection
Topps Xpectations
Topps Chrome Platinum Anniversary
Topps Dyansty
Topps Transcendent

Not Wax?

Bowman Chrome NSCC
Topps Complete Set
Topps Chrome Lids
Topps Game Within a Game
Topps Now
Topps Now Road to Opening Day
Topps Now Supplemental Sets
Topps Now WBC
Topps Throwback Thursday
Topps X MLB Players Clubhouse Exclusive
Topps Living Set
Topps 582 Montgomery Club
Topps All-Star Game
Topps All-Star Game Play Ball Park
Topps Hobby Rip Night
Topps Holiday Countdown
Topps International Trading Card Day
Topps MLB World Tour: London Series
Topps WBC Team Samurai

Would be curious how many of these people actually collect....

In the past five years I've bought wax for four products (Flagship, Heritage, Archives, Chrome Platinum), and collected singles/autos from a few more (RIP, Cosmic Chrome, Brooklyn, and Tribute).

Which products have other people been collecting?

ThoseBackPages · 08-02-2024, 10:27 AM

where are the $10 to $20 Hobby boxes like we had for the JWE?

hermanotarjeta · 08-02-2024, 10:29 AM

We are in the “overpriced wax era”.

Topps chrome breaker’s delight is priced like exquisite and national treasures.

prospectorgems · 08-02-2024, 10:35 AM

When I think of "Junk Era" I think of over 3 million of each card produced. Now it's more so 3 million sets produced.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 08-02-2024, 10:35 AM

Right now wax is anything BUT junk. Just ask Fanatics after the Topps Museum release. It’s bricks of gold! It’s once you open it that it becomes mostly junk. We’re in the Junk Singles Era if anything. Most of those boxes back in the JWE didn’t have any kind of “hits” what so ever. Now there’s a tiny chance you might get a card with some desirability or monetary value.

KhalDrogo · 08-02-2024, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

where are the $10 to $20 Hobby boxes like we had for the JWE?

They’d be there if the license wasn’t monopolized.

oldgoldy97 · 08-02-2024, 10:38 AM

Tacofractor, frozenfractor, NY skyline whatever…..yeah, any more proof needed?

Just make every card a parallel.

mikejones · 08-02-2024, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

We are in the “overpriced wax era”.

Topps chrome breaker’s delight is priced like exquisite and national treasures.

Haha. I remember opening 2007 exquisite football for $500 which was crazy at that time. NT was $250.

Bcr · 08-02-2024, 10:39 AM

Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

ThoseBackPages · 08-02-2024, 10:41 AM

oldgoldy97 · 08-02-2024, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcr

Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

Bingo!

hermanotarjeta · 08-02-2024, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcr

Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

You forgot about “kicked in the junk”!

oldgoldy97 · 08-02-2024, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You forgot about “kicked in the junk”!

But 1/30 gets their money back! Sometimes even make money!

Slot machine me up, bro!

hermanotarjeta · 08-02-2024, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

But 1/30 gets their money back! Sometimes even make money!

Slot machine me up, bro!

So, “one dude gets to kick 29 other dudes in the junk era?”

tconte · 08-02-2024, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcr

Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

This.

What's crazy is watching influencers like cardcollector2, Geoff Wilson,
Rothcards, or others drop crazy sums on all these parallel cards. Trading
junk slabs for junk slabs and just watching this stuff go down in value
month after month with all the new issues coming out.

I wonder where this will take us. I also wonder how many people are getting
crushed. Cards HQ had a 2 1/2 wait of people looking to dump their recent
pickups. Hot potato....hot potato....

JRX · 08-02-2024, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcr

Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

You left out junk auto and junk relic

ThoseBackPages · 08-02-2024, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tconte

This.

What's crazy is watching influencers like cardcollector2, Geoff Wilson,
Rothcards, or others drop crazy sums on all these parallel cards. Trading
junk slabs for junk slabs and just watching this stuff go down in value
month after month with all the new issues coming out.

I wonder where this will take us. I also wonder how many people are getting
crushed. Cards HQ had a 2 1/2 wait of people looking to dump their recent
pickups. Hot potato....hot potato....

same as it ever was

Biohazarddfl · 08-02-2024, 10:51 AM

Yes, junk wax, but a topps black is still a topps black, a red ink is still a red ink, a topps chrome gold refractor is still a premium card, but the base cards are worthless, the refractors have lost a lot. Many of the releases should be completely ignored.

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jduds · 08-02-2024, 10:56 AM

I think we are at the point where there were more Bobby Witt cards made last year than there were Nolan Ryan in any year during the junk wax era. There are enough collectors to absorb them right now though so I'm not a fan of the junk wax name really.

benjamincarm · 08-02-2024, 10:58 AM

I think we are in a similar bubble as we were in the junk wax era.

base set · 08-02-2024, 10:58 AM

The Lottery Ticket Era. I don’t see it ending, ever.

I confess I do like high print run “retail” / parallels, cuz they’re purdy - & cheap. Worthless? So what?

benjamincarm · 08-02-2024, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

The Lottery Ticket Era. I don’t see it ending, ever.

I confess I do like high print run “retail” / parallels, cuz they’re purdy - & cheap. Worthless? So what?

I don't know if will end, but it will adjust at some point. This isn't sustainable, Fanatics knows it, I'm assuming they are already strategizing what's next.

Twalk1975 · 08-02-2024, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

You left out junk auto and junk relic

I once heard Jeter estimate he'd signed 12-15k cards through the years. I can go to any card show and find ten autos of guys like Trout, Soto, and Acuna for every Jeter auto I see.

oldgoldy97 · 08-02-2024, 11:11 AM

panamamyers · 08-02-2024, 11:15 AM

Does a future hall of famer's(let's say elly de la cruz for argument's sake) base flagship rookie card hold any value you think in 20 years? If the answer is no, then, you are smack dab in the middle of a junk wax era.

08-02-2024, 10:25 AM	#1
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,254	Are we in another "junk wax" era? Credit to poster "theredmenace", who put this list together.... In 2023 there were 43 Topps releases, 11 Bowman releases, 10 Panini releases, and 19 non-traditional (i.e. non-wax) releases...... 83 Total Bowman Bowman Bowman Sapphire Bowman Chrome Bowman Chrome Mega Box Bowman Chrome Sapphire Bowman Draft Bowman Draft Sapphire Chrome Bowman Inception Bowman Platinum Bowman Sterling Bowman's Best Panini Donruss National Treausers Panini Chronicles Panini Elite Extra Edition Panini Flawless Panini Immaculate Panini Prizm Panini Stars and Stripes Panini Three & Two Select Topps Flagship Series 1 Flagship Series 2 Flagship Update Topps Chrome Topps Chrome Update Topps Sapphire Chrome Topps Sapphire Chrome Update Topps Chrome Black Topps Chrome Logofractor Topps 206 Topps Allen & Ginter Topps Archives Topps Big League Topps Black & White Topps Brooklyn Collection Topps Cosmic Chrome Topps Definitive Collection Topps Diamond Icons Topps Dynamic Duals Topps Five Star Topps Gilded Collection Topps Heritage Topps Heritage High Number Topps Holiday Topps Inception Topps Luminaries Museum Collection Topps Pristine Topps Pro Debut Topps Rip Topps Sterling Topps Tier One Topps Tribute Topps WBC Global Stars Topps WBC Team Samurai Topps World Baseball Classic Topps X Bob Ross: The Joy of Baseball Topps X Julio Rodriguez: Show Out Collection Topps Xpectations Topps Chrome Platinum Anniversary Topps Dyansty Topps Transcendent Not Wax? Bowman Chrome NSCC Topps Complete Set Topps Chrome Lids Topps Game Within a Game Topps Now Topps Now Road to Opening Day Topps Now Supplemental Sets Topps Now WBC Topps Throwback Thursday Topps X MLB Players Clubhouse Exclusive Topps Living Set Topps 582 Montgomery Club Topps All-Star Game Topps All-Star Game Play Ball Park Topps Hobby Rip Night Topps Holiday Countdown Topps International Trading Card Day Topps MLB World Tour: London Series Topps WBC Team Samurai Would be curious how many of these people actually collect.... In the past five years I've bought wax for four products (Flagship, Heritage, Archives, Chrome Platinum), and collected singles/autos from a few more (RIP, Cosmic Chrome, Brooklyn, and Tribute). Which products have other people been collecting? Last edited by mfw13; 08-02-2024 at 10:29 AM.

08-02-2024, 10:27 AM	#2
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08-02-2024, 10:41 AM	#10
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08-02-2024, 10:29 AM	#3
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 20,870	We are in the “overpriced wax era”. Topps chrome breaker’s delight is priced like exquisite and national treasures.

08-02-2024, 10:35 AM	#4
prospectorgems Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,171 hobbygems	When I think of "Junk Era" I think of over 3 million of each card produced. Now it's more so 3 million sets produced.

08-02-2024, 10:35 AM	#5
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,449	Right now wax is anything BUT junk. Just ask Fanatics after the Topps Museum release. It’s bricks of gold! It’s once you open it that it becomes mostly junk. We’re in the Junk Singles Era if anything. Most of those boxes back in the JWE didn’t have any kind of “hits” what so ever. Now there’s a tiny chance you might get a card with some desirability or monetary value.

08-02-2024, 10:38 AM	#7
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,017	Tacofractor, frozenfractor, NY skyline whatever…..yeah, any more proof needed? Just make every card a parallel.

08-02-2024, 10:39 AM	#9
Bcr Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 2,738	Junk slab, junk parallel, junk sets

08-02-2024, 10:51 AM	#18
Biohazarddfl Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,294 chrisfl_cards_on_ig ChrisinFlorida	Yes, junk wax, but a topps black is still a topps black, a red ink is still a red ink, a topps chrome gold refractor is still a premium card, but the base cards are worthless, the refractors have lost a lot. Many of the releases should be completely ignored. Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk

08-02-2024, 10:56 AM	#19
jduds Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 3,787 chilaw57	I think we are at the point where there were more Bobby Witt cards made last year than there were Nolan Ryan in any year during the junk wax era. There are enough collectors to absorb them right now though so I'm not a fan of the junk wax name really.

08-02-2024, 10:58 AM	#20
benjamincarm Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: PHX Posts: 889 benjamincarm11	I think we are in a similar bubble as we were in the junk wax era.

08-02-2024, 10:58 AM	#21
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,397	The Lottery Ticket Era. I don’t see it ending, ever. I confess I do like high print run “retail” / parallels, cuz they’re purdy - & cheap. Worthless? So what?

08-02-2024, 11:11 AM	#24
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,017

08-02-2024, 11:15 AM	#25
panamamyers Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,892 panamamyers panamamyers	Does a future hall of famer's(let's say elly de la cruz for argument's sake) base flagship rookie card hold any value you think in 20 years? If the answer is no, then, you are smack dab in the middle of a junk wax era.