2024 SkyBox Marvel Masterpieces XL

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by BJohns015

Veering the topic a bit momentarily - Do you have any idea how you plan to store/display this set? I feel like a binder showing 4 cards per page would have to be way too large, but going with a smaller binder that shows 1 card per page would end up quite thick (even though these are normal stock, we'd be talking 90 pages at least just for base).

Is there a product out there for displaying this size?

I haven't completed the calculations, but I believe there exists a number between 1 and 4 that just might solve your problem....

Sorry, couldn't resist the snark: https://www.ragandbonebindery.com/pr...for-5x7-photos

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by BJohns015

Veering the topic a bit momentarily - Do you have any idea how you plan to store/display this set? I feel like a binder showing 4 cards per page would have to be way too large, but going with a smaller binder that shows 1 card per page would end up quite thick (even though these are normal stock, we'd be talking 90 pages at least just for base).

Is there a product out there for displaying this size?

There are 2 pocket binder sleeves the should work; however, you will have to turn the binder to see the cards in there correct position.

[BJohns015]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I haven't completed the calculations, but I believe there exists a number between 1 and 4 that just might solve your problem....

Sorry, couldn't resist the snark: https://www.ragandbonebindery.com/pr...for-5x7-photos

Haha I deserved that

My issue with the 2 pocket is what Gambit said though: now the cards are all sideways, which is not ideal.

[LittleJimmies]

BO has the product page up with a 9/18 release date. Saw 8/31 on another seller's site.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Thought experiment: if UD released the same MM16 set again, in the same 2.5x3.5 size (just with a date of 2024 on the back this time), same tech and all that, what would the thoughts be on that? I think a lot of people would not be a fan of that, obviously cheapening the MM16 set and essentially doubling the ‘limited’ serial number print run. But to those saying reprints don’t impact originals….they shouldn’t care about that and would be fine with UD re-releasing that same set every year for the next 10 years. After all, they look the same but they are NOT the originals. I don’t really agree with that, I think that would collapse the market for MM16, and that’s is why it is not as simple as saying ‘it’s a reprint’. The oversize thing is the much bigger thing here for differentiation, not the reprint aspect.

At the very least, this can and probably will split the buyer pool of MM16. Take a random person looking to get into MM16 and set collect it. They now have 2 options, and will likely stay mainly to one. For those choosing this new oversize set, they could be taken out of the demand equation for MM16 cards. What if you have many people in a similar boat as Marvel Card above like this? Any time you split a buyer pool, and lose demand, prices should come down. The money in this hobby is finite, and some of the MM16 money will now be going towards this. The one thing that might counteract it is if the new set “invigorates interest” back into the MM16s, that could be a wild card.

I just don't see this, Dyna. What I think might happen is the oversized cards will create some new MM16 collectors that wouldn't have existed otherwise due to the oversized cards being accessible and more affordable. They will hit eBay and Comc in large numbers and some people who use those sites will pick them up.

It's like the MTG Black Lotus card I mentioned earlier. Most collectors can't afford to buy one, but they could if a reprint were produced and readily available.

[Marvel Card]

Anyone else see the glut of sales post for 2016 masterpieces on the Mmc and mccw Facebook forums? Thats the effect of this pending 2024 masterpieces set. May be speculation on the sellers part but there’s been a surge of 2016 sales on those forums because they’re likely hedging their bets against a drop in 2016 values when this XL set is released. Nobody is biting on these sales btw.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

Anyone else see the glut of sales post for 2016 masterpieces on the Mmc and mccw Facebook forums? Thats the effect of this pending 2024 masterpieces set. May be speculation on the sellers part but there’s been a surge of 2016 sales on those forums because they’re likely hedging their bets against a drop in 2016 values when this XL set is released. Nobody is biting on these sales btw.

Which cards? Are we talking rarer stuff or more common cards?

[Marvel Card]

Some look pretty rare. For example, gold sig tier 4 lot was up for sale of which only 50ish per card are estimated to have been made. Some lots are asking for thousands, which isn’t different from the values earlier this year or last year but there’s just nobody buying at them.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

Some look pretty rare. For example, gold sig tier 4 lot was up for sale of which only 50ish per card are estimated to have been made. Some lots are asking for thousands, which isn’t different from the values earlier this year or last year but there’s just nobody buying at them.

Why buy near/just after the top of the market?

[DynaEtch]

That’s pretty common across the board right now and not just MM. I doubt many Spider-Man metal turquoise /50s are selling for high amounts much less thousands, as are high dollar PMGs, Medallions etc sitting. Not many people are paying into the thousands for a marvel card or lot of marvel cards.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

Anyone else see the glut of sales post for 2016 masterpieces on the Mmc and mccw Facebook forums? Thats the effect of this pending 2024 masterpieces set. May be speculation on the sellers part but there’s been a surge of 2016 sales on those forums because they’re likely hedging their bets against a drop in 2016 values when this XL set is released. Nobody is biting on these sales btw.

Is MMXL really to blame for that? The Marvel card market is down across the board.

[Marvel Card]

My comment was more about the fact that there’s a surge in 2016MM sale posts going up, not exactly that there are decreased prices. I’m estimating the the increase in 2016 MM sale posts is due to the impending 2024 MM release, and a secondary cause may be due to perceived declining values of the 2016 MM set. Not saying a decline in 2016MM values is due to 2024MM directly, as the sale posts would need to find a buyer (and at a lower transaction price to boot) for that to potentially be true.

[BobCollects]

FYI, a certain Blowout competitor has boxes available to preorder at $295.12 each and 12-box cases at $3,517.39 each. You have to be a member of their rewards program to gain access to early preorders, however.

Release date is August 7, 2024 according to two different Blowout competitors. Blowout still has September 18, 2024 as the release date.

Has anyone contacted Blowout to see what their prices are?

Boxes: https://www.blowoutcards.com/2024-up...hobby-box.html
Cases: https://www.blowoutcards.com/2024-up...-box-case.html

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[DynaEtch]

Man if this drops Aug 7th that’s a lot sooner than I expected. Better start saving up money now.

$300 is not cheap but it’s not terrible either. I’m sure it’ll go up.

[LittleJimmies]

It actually really stinks that the timing for XL doesn't align with the CGC private signing - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1592036

XL would be the perfect medium for this.

[DynaEtch]

Good point. Picturing one of those signed 5x7’s in a CGC SS slab…oh my.

Well at least there doesn’t appear to be a shortage of Jusko signings, including with CGC. I think we’ll see another one in due time.

[MMguy]

Has anyone seen a checklist for this?

[BJohns015]

Originally Posted by MMguy

Has anyone seen a checklist for this?

Likely will not get a checklist until a week or so ahead of release (so around August 1st).

It will be interesting to see the documented pack odds, but from the sales sheet each 3-card pack will contain:

• 1 Base card
• 1 What If card
• 1 Insert or parallel card

Base and What If do NOT appear to be serial numbered this time around, but parallels are.

Just re-read the sales sheet and noticed the wording used for the numbered colored parallels includes "gold" so maybe Gold Sigs will be numbered this time?

"Discover a dazzling array of colorful numbered parallels, including Gold, Epic Purple, and Legendary Orange"

They also mention numbered parallels for both the Base and What If set. Wonder what the What If parallels would be. Only parallels I can think of for that in the past are Autos, and we know Jusko was not involved in this so can't be that.

[DynaEtch]

The presale looks to still be up being nearly a day out. I wonder if 1) people aren’t buying it up as much since the oversize format and not true cards, or possibly 2) it won’t be on ePack (?), thus making the physical box print run large, compared to other MM regular sets which can be up to half epack. Maybe there will be a lot of boxes to go around. It could also be 3) marvel market fatigue, and not like pandemic era where presells on hot sets would go in less than an hour.

I thought the $300 box buy in wasn’t terrible for this.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BJohns015

They also mention numbered parallels for both the Base and What If set. Wonder what the What If parallels would be. Only parallels I can think of for that in the past are Autos, and we know Jusko was not involved in this so can't be that.

A couple possibilities I’m thinking…the language on sell sheets can be not exactly accurate, very preliminary or ambiguous. That’s one possibility. Another…on the go gts page for the set, it does say Silver Spectrum /10 are in the set (presumably without the auto, just a reflective foil parallel /10). Maybe UD somehow retained the What If /10 parallel without the auto (no idea what that would possibly be, an enhancement doesn’t really make sense as there is no ribbon).

It’s probably just misleading language if I’m guessing.

[BobCollects]

This being the first Marvel Masterpieces reprint set and the first Marvel oversized set could have a lot of people sitting on the sidelines waiting for the full checklist, waiting to see breaks, or waiting to see what singles sell for before deciding to dive in. Not a bad strategy if this flops, but a very bad strategy if it blows up after release.

There’s a very good chance the broader Marvel collecting market and perhaps even many Marvel Masterpieces collectors aren’t interested in 5”x7” cards, meaning this set is even more of a niche product.


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[daviswr7]

Oversized sketch cards? I'm defiantly in for that.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by daviswr7

Oversized sketch cards? I'm defiantly in for that.

I wonder how often they’ll fall. MM16 sketches were 1 per box and assuming that’s not the case anymore.

I’ll guess maybe 1 or 2 per case now. Can’t wait to see them, should be great in oversize. Reminds me of Marvel Premier

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

There’s a very good chance the broader Marvel collecting market and perhaps even many Marvel Masterpieces collectors aren’t interested in 5”x7” cards, meaning this set is even more of a niche product.

That's me--if it's bigger than a standard-size card, I'm out. However, from a Premier standpoint, I think the 5x7s usually sell pretty well. The obvious increase in real estate for artists isbgreat for those that take advantage of it.

The other question about sketches is if they will be required to be "inspired by" the 2016MM cards. If so, I find those just a tad boring as well.

And, only to be half-flippant, I'm a little surprised that we haven't seen blanks out there on eBay yet. I wonder if that means only a small number of veteran artists were chosen.

[DynaEtch]

Hmm good points there.

I’m kinda hoping they go away from legacy sketches this time around. I was ok with it for one release, something different, and my fav examples were when the artist changed out characters for different ones instead of just rehashing the art. I’d rather see these 5x7’s have more freedom. My gut says they won’t be legacy’s.

Just hoping sketches aren’t a super long odds rarity like in other products like Platinum. I’d even settle for 2 per case.