Hoping to land 2 dealer badges/passes for the show

[jab72]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

Acortding to the “national press releases” after last year’s National. This years floor space will be the largest ever. Larger than last years.

Dealers had to turn in names for the badges when they submitted their paper work which was due June 7. And the allotment that they got and extras they could purchase was limited. 2-3 per booth, depending on size, and ability to purchase 1 extra at $150.

Rumor has it that dealers caught selling them could face immediate expulsion from the show.

It’s actually limited to 1 extra per booth for 2024.


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[Bigjigglies]

Originally Posted by jab72

It’s actually limited to 1 extra per booth for 2024.


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Which is exactly what I said. They cut the normal quota given by one and let you buy one extra.

[MFaulkCollector]

from everything I've read... it looks like it won't happen for me this year

but one last hooo-rahhh before I buy regular tickets... can anyone help me with this?

[ThoseBackPages]

yea, grab the VIP.

thats what i had to do

[notfast]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, grab the VIP.

thats what i had to do

Same. Saves me a day of being out there as well. Normally with dealer badge, I’d come on Tuesday/early Wednesday…but can’t do that with VIP.

Oh well.

[cj828282]

Really going to be interesting if this has any impact on the lines for various vendors since many were able to get things done before the show opened to the public. Maybe no impact if a reduced crowd from previous years.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by notfast

Same. Saves me a day of being out there as well. Normally with dealer badge, I’d come on Tuesday/early Wednesday…but can’t do that with VIP.

Oh well.

good point. especially when flying is involved.

[jab72]

I wonder what dealers will think about having fewer potential buyers in the room Tuesday and 1/2 the day on Wednesday.


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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jab72

I wonder what dealers will think about having fewer potential buyers in the room Tuesday and 1/2 the day on Wednesday.


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It won't matter, the stuff they're selling early will still be sold quickly I'm sure.

[jmarascojr]

Tuesday and Wednesday tend to be the days dealers buy from dealers so I don’t think us regular peeps not being there will make much of a difference…

[solt0131]

Originally Posted by jab72

I wonder what dealers will think about having fewer potential buyers in the room Tuesday and 1/2 the day on Wednesday.


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Based on the numbers, should be 75% less dealer badges this year.

[Bigjigglies]

After speaking with members of the National committee it seems that older (higher priority) dealers were fine with the status quo. It was the younger (lower priority) dealers who pushed for the limits on dealer badges.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

After speaking with members of the National committee it seems that older (higher priority) dealers were fine with the status quo. It was the younger (lower priority) dealers who pushed for the limits on dealer badges.

Does this need to be said? Naturally the stone age dealers want to side hustle as many dealer badges as they can. It pays for their expenses so their booths and even other travel costs end up being free. Without that extra cash some of them might think twice about returning every year which might actually free up some booth space. They would be subletting their booths if they could.

[Bigjigglies]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Does this need to be said? Naturally the stone age dealers want to side hustle as many dealer badges as they can. It pays for their expenses so their booths and even other travel costs end up being free. Without that extra cash some of them might think twice about returning every year which might actually free up some booth space. They would be subletting their booths if they could.

Or they other way of viewing it is the newbie table holders don’t want anyone else getting access to the early “deals”. Being greedy they want the deals for themselves

[Bigjigglies]

Or another angle to view this from is why should any non dealer have a dealer badge?
Is this a sense of entitlement for some?

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

Or another angle to view this from is why should any non dealer have a dealer badge?
Is this a sense of entitlement for some?

Yes.

I hate that I can’t get a dealer badge this year and have to enter with the commoners.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

Or they other way of viewing it is the newbie table holders don’t want anyone else getting access to the early “deals”. Being greedy they want the deals for themselves

No danger of that any time soon since the same old dealers have a virtual lock on booth space. Maybe a few will drop out now that they’re a little less able to laugh all the way to the bank on dealer badges.

[Bigjigglies]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

No danger of that any time soon since the same old dealers have a virtual lock on booth space. Maybe a few will drop out now that they’re a little less able to laugh all the way to the bank on dealer badges.

Yeah, all the way to the bank.
Booth $1300- 2700
How many do you think the old dealers were selling? Takes a lot of badge sales to cover that.

And, a third of the booths at this year’s National are priority 5 or less. Meaning lots of new dealers are getting booths.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

Yeah, all the way to the bank.
Booth $1300- 2700
How many do you think the old dealers were selling? Takes a lot of badge sales to cover that.

And, a third of the booths at this year’s National are priority 5 or less. Meaning lots of new dealers are getting booths.

It was 3 complimentary badges per booth plus 3 more for purchase, making a whopping 24 possible dealer badges for those with 4 booths. Anyone who was selling badges for barely a profit was a fool. Why bother filling the hall with more competition for early sales if you can’t even cover most or all of the booth cost.

[Bigjigglies]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

It was 3 complimentary badges per booth plus 3 more for purchase, making a whopping 24 possible dealer badges for those with 4 booths. Anyone who was selling badges for barely a profit was a fool. Why bother filling the hall with more competition for early sales if you can’t even cover most or all of the booth cost.

And your point is?

How many dealers have 4 booths? How many of those were taking their full allotment of tickets? How many of them were selling extra badges? With out some sort of reference your post is meaningless.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

And your point is?

How many dealers have 4 booths? How many of those were taking their full allotment of tickets? How many of them were selling extra badges? With out some sort of reference your post is meaningless.

So what’s your point besides trying to paint old guard dealers as selfless and newer dealers as greedy noobs? It’s ridiculous.

The assumption til this year is that you could buy a dealer badge if you ponied up the cash. Why is that? Because so many extras were ordered for resale. Duh who wouldn’t at a measly $60 per badge.

[Bigjigglies]

It is you with the bias against “Stone Age” dealers.
You claim the line there pockets selling badges fit a whopping $60. That math does not add up.
Over 350 dealers have booths, plenty of room for new and old. Of those dealers only 27 (< 8%) have four booths. Are all 27 taking 24 badges and selling them? Some of these are wax distributors and auction houses that are not in the corporate area.

Sounds like sour grapes of an entitled person who finally got told no and is having difficulty accepting it. The Stone Age people can’t give you a badge and the new dealers don’t want you to have one

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Bigjigglies

It is you with the bias against “Stone Age” dealers.
You claim the line there pockets selling badges fit a whopping $60. That math does not add up.
Over 350 dealers have booths, plenty of room for new and old. Of those dealers only 27 (< 8%) have four booths. Are all 27 taking 24 badges and selling them? Some of these are wax distributors and auction houses that are not in the corporate area.

Sounds like sour grapes of an entitled person who finally got told no and is having difficulty accepting it. The Stone Age people can’t give you a badge and the new dealers don’t want you to have one

Nope, didn’t plan to attend Cleveland but nice try.

If everyone was so rah rah as you about the same old dealers and cards turning up year after year the rules wouldn’t be cbanging at all.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

So what’s your point besides trying to paint old guard dealers as selfless and newer dealers as greedy noobs? It’s ridiculous.

The assumption til this year is that you could buy a dealer badge if you ponied up the cash. Why is that? Because so many extras were ordered for resale. Duh who wouldn’t at a measly $60 per badge.

You are trying way too hard here. Even if a dealer somehow sold 8 or so extra badges..... I don't know anyone who was paying more than 150 and a lot were paying less. That's at most 600-700 bucks. That doesn't even cover half of the cheapest booth, let alone travel and potential shipping of inventory, or other miscellaneous overhead

If anyone thinks the dealer badges allowed anyone to laugh all the way to the bank ... the math doesn't add up to support such a claim. However, if one wanted to say a dealer could be 600-800 straight profit out of the gate on their way to the likely 2500 plus it would take to get them into the net black..... then yes that claim makes sense.

It seems this thread really got off the rails............ I particularly wanted the dealer badge to walk the floor prior to opening in an attempt to sell a few items to dealers for some show cash and then have the ability to get in the PSA and BGS lines prior to 3:30. I'm not really sure why people get so heated over this. Amusment parks have admission, fast pass one time, fast pass plus, whatever else........... people are willing to pay for certain things and businesses generally take advantage of such.

The National show in my opinion is incompetent regarding this. Waiting in a 2 hour line at PSA on a 4 hour show day is laughable when you have paying customers who would fork over significantly more money to be there earlier. Instead of bothering with the dealer badges and being salty, they could and should have introduced a VIP plus early access pass for $449. Access to the show starts at noon Wednesday and one hour early entry Thursday-Sunday. That access would have solved my reasons for trying to get a dealer badge and the show makes more than double my admission costs by giving me just 5.5 hours more than the standard VIP. It would also solve the issues of sub leasing and priority dealers.

The show needs to do a better job at making money off the customers who are willing to pay, period. They make more money, more people have the experience they would most want, chances are higher they return in years where they otherwise would be on the fence.

[cj828282]

Looks like the National folks need to take a lesson from the Fanatics Fest in NYC. The VIP gets first access to the floor and are also able to skip the line during Topps exclusive drops. Or maybe Fanatics is learning from the National mistakes.