With the Pirates not sucking 100%, will they shut down Skenes? (AKA livvys BF)

[awz50]

It will make an interesting story to follow If the Bucs are within striking distance.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I’ll be a little surprised if he’s pitching until the end, but the Pirates get awarded draft picks if he wins ROY, right?

[JeremyNick]

Bob Nutting sucks and ultimately he is pulling the strings. If he determines it’s in his best financial interest to pitch Skenes, he’ll keep pitching. If he determines it’s in his best financial interests to sit Skenes, he’ll sit him.

That’s how he runs his business.

[Cracktoast]

Possibly they move him to the bullpen in September sometime I would think. Would be very surprising they keep running him out there for 4-6 innings every 5 days knowing they aren't making the post season.

[Jimbanto]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Bob Nutting sucks and ultimately he is pulling the strings. If he determines it’s in his best financial interest to pitch Skenes, he’ll keep pitching. If he determines it’s in his best financial interests to sit Skenes, he’ll sit him.

That’s how he runs his business.

If the marlins can keep down Max Mayer after 17 IP of 2.12 era .8 whip for no other reason than to keep control I dont see why Pitt would not do the same thing.

Wood should have been up weeks ago.

Even though Manzardo got sent back down he had nothing left to prove earlier this season.

Lot of other good examples where the club just does what it wants. The bonus draft picks just dont make up for losing a season of control.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Bob Nutting sucks and ultimately he is pulling the strings. If he determines it’s in his best financial interest to pitch Skenes, he’ll keep pitching. If he determines it’s in his best financial interests to sit Skenes, he’ll sit him.

That’s how he runs his business.

As a Tigers fan, I'm starting to feel like this is where we're headed. Poverty franchise mentality.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jimbanto

If the marlins can keep down Max Mayer after 17 IP of 2.12 era .8 whip for no other reason than to keep control I dont see why Pitt would not do the same thing.

Wood should have been up weeks ago.

Even though Manzardo got sent back down he had nothing left to prove earlier this season.

Lot of other good examples where the club just does what it wants. The bonus draft picks just dont make up for losing a season of control.

The Marlins care about winning. They do a decent job of balancing small market money and actual performance - at least they are transparent about it.


Nutting just cares about doing enough to keep the money rolling in.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’ll be a little surprised if he’s pitching until the end, but the Pirates get awarded draft picks if he wins ROY, right?

I don't think he will have the required time to get them the pick. The whole point of that incentive is to have them on the opening day roster.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

As a Tigers fan, I'm starting to feel like this is where we're headed. Poverty franchise mentality.

The hubris of near billionaires trying to sell fanbases on poverty economics cuz how dare they ever risk losing money temporarily.

They can all just go away.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I don't think he will have the required time to get them the pick. The whole point of that incentive is to have them on the opening day roster.

That’s a bummer.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That’s a bummer.

Nah, the Pirates deserve it for starting him in the minors.

[Cliffroach]

Originally Posted by Jimbanto

If the marlins can keep down Max Mayer after 17 IP of 2.12 era .8 whip for no other reason than to keep control I dont see why Pitt would not do the same thing.

Wood should have been up weeks ago.

Even though Manzardo got sent back down he had nothing left to prove earlier this season.

Lot of other good examples where the club just does what it wants. The bonus draft picks just dont make up for losing a season of control.

I believe Skenes is already past the point where sending down him matters to his free agency clock. He's shouldn't be eligible until 2030 with his call up date. "Problem" becomes I think is if he's in the top two for ROY - and it certainly looks like he will be. Gets a full year of service time if that happens.

Or all that could be wrong bc confusing AF.

[Jimbanto]

Originally Posted by Cliffroach

I believe Skenes is already past the point where sending down him matters to his free agency clock. He's shouldn't be eligible until 2030 with his call up date. "Problem" becomes I think is if he's in the top two for ROY - and it certainly looks like he will be. Gets a full year of service time if that happens.

Or all that could be wrong bc confusing AF.

As of right now skenes is -300 to win and Merrill is +300. Nobody else is better than +1000

Be hard for Skenes to not finish top 2 unless they pulled him “now”

[padremurph]

Praying the Pirates sit skenes. Got in on Merrill at +8000 to win ROY

[PeteD]

Nats did with Strasburg.

[rms13]

They already said he has a 150 IP limit this year. We'll see if they change their mind if they think they can win a WS this year. I would guess they shut him down at 150 IP regardless of how he or the team or doing. But I'd love to see them turn him loose so he can win the Cy Young and try to make a run.

[tipandpick]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I don't think he will have the required time to get them the pick. The whole point of that incentive is to have them on the opening day roster.

He's currently -300 to win ROY...I'm not sure I'm buying this argument.

[tipandpick]

Originally Posted by rms13

They already said he has a 150 IP limit this year. We'll see if they change their mind if they think they can win a WS this year. I would guess they shut him down at 150 IP regardless of how he or the team or doing. But I'd love to see them turn him loose so he can win the Cy Young and try to make a run.

Limiting him to 150 IP still allows for another 90 IP...which is effectively another 15 starts...which is basically the rest of the season.

Pirates are 4 GB of the wild-card at present. I think most of us doubt they're contenders in August, but let's not ignore the fact that Skenes is selling tickets at PNC which is something that hasn't happened in ages.

Look for Skenes to get 150 IP and win ROY. Anything less than that will be an insult to him and a black-eye on an already damaged organization.

[jhssketchcards]

It sure made Strasburg into a HOF


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by tipandpick

He's currently -300 to win ROY...I'm not sure I'm buying this argument.

What argument? It had nothing to do with whether or not Skenes can win ROY. It's about the pick that could be awarded to Pittsburgh should he win it. One of the requirements to getting the pick is that he must be on the major league roster for 172 days during the season, which means he needed to be called up within the first two weeks of the season.

He wasn't, therefore, Pittsburgh won't get a pick if he wins ROY or finishes top 3 in CYA voting.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by tipandpick

Limiting him to 150 IP still allows for another 90 IP...which is effectively another 15 starts...which is basically the rest of the season.

Pirates are 4 GB of the wild-card at present. I think most of us doubt they're contenders in August, but let's not ignore the fact that Skenes is selling tickets at PNC which is something that hasn't happened in ages.

Look for Skenes to get 150 IP and win ROY. Anything less than that will be an insult to him and a black-eye on an already damaged organization.

That's 150 innings across all levels. It's closer to 60 innings left.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Cliffroach

I believe Skenes is already past the point where sending down him matters to his free agency clock. He's shouldn't be eligible until 2030 with his call up date. "Problem" becomes I think is if he's in the top two for ROY - and it certainly looks like he will be. Gets a full year of service time if that happens.

Or all that could be wrong bc confusing AF.

Same situation happened with Michael Harris. He got the full year of service time and the Braves didn't get awarded the extra pick

[rats60]

Originally Posted by rms13

They already said he has a 150 IP limit this year. We'll see if they change their mind if they think they can win a WS this year. I would guess they shut him down at 150 IP regardless of how he or the team or doing. But I'd love to see them turn him loose so he can win the Cy Young and try to make a run.

Who has said that? It is only a rumor. If he keeps pitching at his same pace, he is going to finish with 130-135 major league innings, so ~160 total. It seems that has been their plan all along.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Nats did with Strasburg.

Strasburg was injured.

[solt0131]

They are shutting him down when he reaches his innings number, we just don’t know what the number is….