Should Sadaharu Oh be in the Hall of Fame?

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Triple B

It’s the Baseball Hall of Fame. Not the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. It’s pretty weird how many people don’t get that (even though MLB has infiltrated the Hall and made it its own).

nooo...its the NATIONAL Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum....national...as in nation. It's pretty weird how many people don't get that

[majestik101]

What was his WAR?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by duwal

nooo...its the NATIONAL Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum....national...as in nation. It's pretty weird how many people don't get that

I agree. Keep out ALL Blue Jays and Expos.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by majestik101

What was his WAR?

The true measuring stick.

戦争

[ScooterD]

This is where the basketball HOF differs significantly

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I agree. Keep out ALL Blue Jays and Expos.

Better start taking down those plaques. Turf Larry Walker and any other Canadian elected to the hall while we’re at it.

[Drew3000]

Todd Van Poppels HS career was legendary, should he be in the HOF?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Better start taking down those plaques. Turf Larry Walker and any other Canadian elected to the hall while we’re at it.

They played a majority of their games in the US so trump card played.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Drew3000

Todd Van Poppels HS career was legendary, should he be in the HOF?

He never struck out Babe, ShoTime or Trout, so no.

But he probably could have hit 500 homers in Japan league so maybe?

Tough choices.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

Japan has their own hall of fame. The Negro Leagues were domestic to the United States which makes the Hall of Fame located in the United States a good place to recognize them.

So how did Josh Gibson get in since he played zero MLB seasons

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by rms13

So how did Josh Gibson get in since he played zero MLB seasons

It really isn't that complicated.

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fam...lection-method

I get Japan is next on the slippery slope fallacy but it really isn't that complicated to see the difference.

[JWBlue]

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Badnews Bears should be in. Best fictional baseball team.

Whoa whoa whoa. You think the BNBs could beat Benny and the Sandlot Jets?

I don't even think they can beat the Kekambas.

And I'm just talking about fictional little league teams.

Pitch around Kelly Leak and eventually you'll wear out Amanda's arm. I don't trust anyone in the Bears' bullpen to get Hamilton Porter out.

Jets all day.

[EBCollectibles]

Like I said put everyone in it now. Frenzy should be 1st ballot he is a contributor to baseball just look at all his polls.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

They played a majority of their games in the US so trump card played.

Larry Walker was born in Canada.

[ThoseBackPages]

i voted yes

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

To that end, Oh and Rose are already in the Hall of Fame. You can go to Cooperstown and you'll see displays of both of them. They just don't have a plaque. Also, Oh is already inducted into the Hall of Fame...the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.

Okay. I haven't been before. If that's the case, I'm fine leaving him out as an individual. I think these guys should be mentioned in some form or fashion.

But I'd definitely give him a plaque before someone like Rose.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Okay. I haven't been before. If that's the case, I'm fine leaving him out as an individual. I think these guys should be mentioned in some form or fashion.

But I'd definitely give him a plaque before someone like Rose.

And next year they have a huge section being added all about Japanese baseball…

https://baseballhall.org/news/new-mu...eball-exchange

[mikejones]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Baseball HOF should also include little league? That’s baseball, too.

I agree.



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[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Like I said put everyone in it now. Frenzy should be 1st ballot he is a contributor to baseball just look at all his polls.

This is just the account Skips uses to post his polls.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by awz50

Well Japanese baseball has been considered a class below the mlb and the negro leagues were on the same level talent wise so that does open up discussion that

Must-read article I found on this subject:

The Negro Leagues struck a careful balance between offense and defense, and, on the whole, I suspect the game checks in around AAA level. Inside the leagues themselves, the totality of the hitting talent won’t be MLB but a notch lower. The totality of the pitching talent won’t be AA but a notch higher. The rules for pitchers and pitching kept the hitters from running away with things. Had segregation never occurred, Black pitchers would likely have developed the same way that more populous white pitchers would have. They didn’t because conditions, rules, and probably conventional wisdom in the leagues they did play in favored a different style of pitching. Therefore, I’m going to rate both hitters and pitchers at AAA level, at least from 1920–1948.

https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...negro-leagues/

[fabiani12333]

Sadaharu Oh had a 199 wRC+ and 180.4 WAR during his career (1959-1980): http://npbstats.com/players/db/batti..._search=101746

That means that if you considered NPB minor league caliber during that time, you're still looking at an MLB Hall of Famer.

Here's his numbers against MLB pitchers:

Oh played 110 exhibition games against major leaguers in official major league tours of Japan, usually in October or November. He had 338 at-bats and hit for a .260 average with 88 walks for a .413 on-base percentage. He also slugged 14 doubles and 25 homers among his hits, for a .524 slugging average.

The pitchers (and the year) Oh hit his homers against (lefties are denoted with an asterisk[*], and if a pitcher gave up multiple homers to Oh, the number appears in parentheses) were as follows: Hank Aguirre,* 1962; Nick Willhite,* 1966 (2); Alan Foster, 1966; Joe Moeller, 1966; Jim Brewer,* 1966; Steve Carlton,* 1968; Dick Hughes, 1968; Nelson Briles, 1968; Ray Washburn, 1968; Larry Jaster,* 1968; Wayne Granger, 1968; Frank Reberger, 1970; Frank Linzy, 1970; Pat Dobson, 1971; Jim Palmer, 1971; Dick Hall, 1971; Jerry Cram, 1974 (2); Jerry Koosman,* 1974; John Matlack,* 1974 (3); Tom Seaver, 1978; and Tom Hume, 1978. Further, Oh was pulling even this group of pitchers: 4 to left, 1 to left center, 3 to center, 5 to right center, and 12 to right.

https://sabr.org/journal/article/sho...n-cooperstown/

I say let him in.

[JimEd14]

Already in the Rock n Roll HOF ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJVWgsp7J8

Originally Posted by Beastie Boys

There's more to me than you'll ever know
And I've got more hits than Sadaharu Oh

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Must-read article I found on this subject:


https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...negro-leagues/

A random Wordpress blog with no posts since 2021 is not a must-read.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Must-read article I found on this subject:


https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...negro-leagues/

Yeah, this is not must-read or even reputable. Try again